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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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America has never been a country that penalized people for the acts of their parents. That's old Europe stuff we left behind.

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America made people slaves because their parents were slaves.

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I'll revise.

Other than slavery and Japanese internment and Trump, America has never been a country that penalized people for their parents.

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I would disagree with much of this.

First of all, while many Republicans held slaves, the Democrats held the majority of them. It was Democrats who started the Civil War, and defended to the death their right to make and keep slaves. They lost some 260,000 souls, who died to protect this heinous practice, and they continued to keep fighting and dying with their KKK and Red Shirts, and the White League, for too many years after the war was over. That was a crime in itself, raising families to hate for generations.

The modern Democrat party was founded in 1828, primarily by Andrew Jackson, a slaveholder, and Martin Van Buren, who also owned some slaves, mostly domestic servants. The party became a party to champion the holding of slaves and fought a war with the Union to extend that right into newly formed territories and states, as the nation grew westward.

As to the Japanese internment, your description is way too simple. It was more complicated. Four different groups of Japanese were relocated to the Internment Camps run by the Government. Issei were persons born in Japan who had emigrated to another country. In the United States, they were not permitted to become naturalized citizens They were never allowed to become naturalized by the US as citizens. Nisei were defined as the children born with US citizenship, by virtue of being born in the US. Sansei are the grandchildren of the Issei and children of the Nisei, and are all citizens of the US. The last group, Yonsei, are children of the Sansei. I have many classmate friends from Cal who are all Nisei, and who all were sent to the camps as very small children. We do a zoom call every month to keep in touch. My father went to Cal to study Architecture, and had a Japanese classmate, and they became lifelong friends as well. I had a heart attack 25 years ago, and the first visitors I had at my bedside when I regained consciousness were several of my Japanese classmates and their wives. I have absorbed from them much about the camps, the bad and the not so bad of it. There was nothing good about it, except the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, the most decorated unit in all of WW2. They gave their lives to stand up for a country which imprisoned so many Japanese residents.

This was all handed to the Japanese residents by another great Democrat, Franklin Roosevelt, perhaps the greatest Democrat for many, but not for me. His was a horrible decision to put Japanese residents in these camps. The government used ethnicity as a tool to find and remove these immigrants to the camps. What Roosevelt did was criminal, in my opinion. To show how forgiving they are, nearly every one of my Japanese classmate friends today is a Democrat, and one is even a leftist. Roosevelt did not stop with imprisoning Japanese residents of the US. He went into South America and made deals with countries like Peru to capture and turn over their Issei and Nisei residents to the US authorities, who would then imprison them in America, not in the Relocation Camps, but in special prison camps run by the Justice Department.

Finally, what Donald Trump did to children who were here illegally was tragic, separating the kids from their parents. But remember that is exactly what America does when it puts a father or a mother in prison for having committed a crime. Separate a kid from their parent. I am thankful for the donors who are funding organizations to help these kids with communications with their parent, along with free summer camps, and gifts.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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SFCityBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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America has never been a country that penalized people for the acts of their parents. That's old Europe stuff we left behind.

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America made people slaves because their parents were slaves.

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I'll revise.

Other than slavery and Japanese internment and Trump, America has never been a country that penalized people for their parents.

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I would disagree with much of this.

First of all, while many Republicans held slaves, the Democrats held the majority of them. It was Democrats who started the Civil War, and defended to the death their right to make and keep slaves. They lost some 260,000 souls, who died to protect this heinous practice, and they continued to keep fighting and dying with their KKK and Red Shirts, and the White League, for too many years after the war was over. That was a crime in itself, raising families to hate for generations.

The modern Democrat party was founded in 1828, primarily by Andrew Jackson, a slaveholder, and Martin Van Buren, who also owned some slaves, mostly domestic servants. The party became a party to champion the holding of slaves and fought a war with the Union to extend that right into newly formed territories and states, as the nation grew westward.

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You seem to be insinuating here that what "Democrats" were doing 160 years ago should have bearing on how people vote today. Why? People mostly vote on what the parties are offering now, not back then.

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The same party that owned slaves back then fund the SPLC, KKK, and other neo-Nazi groups now.

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bearister said:

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Criminal Immigrants in Texas in 2019: Illegal Immigrant Conviction Rates and Arrest Rates for Homicide, Sex Crimes, Larceny, and Other Crimes | Cato Institute https://www.cato.org/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-2019


Trump Has Cut Legal Immigration More Than Illegal Immigration | Cato at Liberty Blog https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration

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Body cam footage shows ICE agents using racial slurs during immigration operations pic.twitter.com/Rut8JzZDZN

— FactPost (@factpostnews) August 20, 2026

Tedhead94 the II said:

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Sad. We have lost our way as a nation. Complete lack of empathy. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/08/24/ice-detained-an-army-sergeants-wife-his-family-is-still-waiting-for-answers/

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Tedhead94 the II said:

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Sad. We have lost our way as a nation. Complete lack of empathy. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/08/24/ice-detained-an-army-sergeants-wife-his-family-is-still-waiting-for-answers/

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SBGold said:

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We need to defund ICE. It's a lawless group with no leadership.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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movielover said:

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SBGold said:

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We need to defund ICE. It's a lawless group with no leadership.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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So we have utter chaos, rampant illegal, unvetted immigration, and exploding welfare rolls like western Europe? Ireland is on the brink of Civil War over the issue.

FTR, Conservatives have surged in Germany, the UK, and elsewhere; and even highly liberal Sweden has locked down immigration.

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• Labor and Housing Segregation: Studies by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) show that Sweden has one of the most segregated labor markets in Europe for people with foreign backgrounds. Research indicates that an applicant's skin color, name, and religious background heavily impact job hiring and housing opportunities.
• Racial Profiling: Reports from organizations like the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Br) and testimonies submitted to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) highlight widespread concerns regarding police ethnic profiling, particularly against Afro-Swedish and Middle Eastern communities.
• Targeted Hate Speech: Human rights groups monitor documented rises in anti-Muslim racism, antisemitism, anti-Black racism, and discrimination against the indigenous Sami population.

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SBGold said:

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We need to defund ICE. It's a lawless group with no leadership.

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So we have utter chaos, rampant illegal, unvetted immigration, and exploding welfare rolls like western Europe? Ireland is on the brink of Civil War over the issue.

FTR, Conservatives have surged in Germany, the UK, and elsewhere; and even highly liberal Sweden has locked down immigration.

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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SBGold said:

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We need to defund ICE. It's a lawless group with no leadership.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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So we have utter chaos, rampant illegal, unvetted immigration, and exploding welfare rolls like western Europe? Ireland is on the brink of Civil War over the issue.

FTR, Conservatives have surged in Germany, the UK, and elsewhere; and even highly liberal Sweden has locked down immigration.

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We don't need ICE and their un-American antics to control immigration

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TrumpBear said:

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How would you propose enforcing immigration laws and border security?

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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SBGold said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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Can you provide some data to support this claim?

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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sycasey said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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The problem existed long before that, though. There are structural issues that can't just be pinned on any one president and that Congress has regularly refused to address.

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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The problem existed long before that, though. There are structural issues that can't just be pinned on any one president and that Congress has regularly refused to address.

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It did previously exist only to be exponentially exacerbated by the Biden administration. Congress needs to step up, we agree there.

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GrinandBearit said:

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SBGold said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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Can you provide some data to support this claim?

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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Of course I can.

A major reason so many migrants remained in limbo during the Biden administration was the enormous expansion of the asylum and immigration court caseload. EOIR's pending cases rose from about 1.4 million in FY2021 to 3.56 million by FY2024, while USCIS's affirmative asylum backlog reached roughly 1.34 million. Biden era policies, including the administration's asylum processing and border release practices, contributed to the backlog.

The pending asylum court caseload increased by roughly 2.3 million cases, or 182%, from FY2020 to FY2024.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/IN12492.html

USCIS received more than 419,000 affirmative asylum applications during FY2024 alone, while completing only about 126,000.
https://thefederalregister.org/documents/2026-03595/employment-authorization-reform-for-asylum-applicants

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• Record Repatriations: The Biden administration executed nearly 4.4 million total removals and returns, exceeding the total of any single presidential term since 2008. In FY 2024 alone, the administration conducted approximately 778,000 repatriations.
• Policy Shifts and Restrictions: In response to the surges, the administration progressively tightened border rules. In mid-2024, it implemented strict executive restrictions on asylum eligibility when border crossings exceeded a certain threshold. Following these policy shifts and increased foreign cooperation, migrant encounters at the Southwest border began to drop significantly, continuing a downward trajectory into 2025.
• Systemic Underfunding: Supporters also argue the border system was overwhelmed by global migration shifts rather than deliberate choice. The administration supported a $19 billion bipartisan border security bill to increase enforcement resources and hire more personnel, though the legislation ultimately failed to pass Congress. REPUBLICAN CONGRESS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT FUNDING

dajo9 said:

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Migration has always come to America when we have needed labor and we had a major labor shortage post covid.

https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage?state=

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SBGold said:

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dajo9 said:

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Migration has always come to America when we have needed labor and we had a major labor shortage post covid.

https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage?state=

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Yes, we need a lot of talent. China is taking our lunch money daily.

This happens" " The Biden administration executed nearly 4.4 million total removals and returns, exceeding the total of any single presidential term since 2008. In FY 2024 alone, the administration conducted approximately 778,000 repatriations."

and disinformation experts act like the admin had an open border. It's just lies.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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The problem existed long before that, though. There are structural issues that can't just be pinned on any one president and that Congress has regularly refused to address.

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It did previously exist only to be exponentially exacerbated by the Biden administration. Congress needs to step up, we agree there.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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The problem existed long before that, though. There are structural issues that can't just be pinned on any one president and that Congress has regularly refused to address.

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It did previously exist only to be exponentially exacerbated by the Biden administration. Congress needs to step up, we agree there.

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I think you don't have a firm grasp on the meaning of exponentially.

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SBGold said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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SBGold said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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Can you provide some data to support this claim?

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

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Of course I can.

A major reason so many migrants remained in limbo during the Biden administration was the enormous expansion of the asylum and immigration court caseload. EOIR's pending cases rose from about 1.4 million in FY2021 to 3.56 million by FY2024, while USCIS's affirmative asylum backlog reached roughly 1.34 million. Biden era policies, including the administration's asylum processing and border release practices, contributed to the backlog.

The pending asylum court caseload increased by roughly 2.3 million cases, or 182%, from FY2020 to FY2024.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/IN12492.html

USCIS received more than 419,000 affirmative asylum applications during FY2024 alone, while completing only about 126,000.
https://thefederalregister.org/documents/2026-03595/employment-authorization-reform-for-asylum-applicants

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Policy Shifts and Restrictions: In response to the surges, the administration progressively tightened border rules. In mid-2024, it implemented strict executive restrictions on asylum eligibility when border crossings exceeded a certain threshold. Following these policy shifts and increased foreign cooperation, migrant encounters at the Southwest border began to drop significantly, continuing a downward trajectory into 2025.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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GrinandBearit said:

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sycasey said:

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SBGold said:

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--Fast, understandable timelines, fair processing

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To me this is the biggest issue by far. Immigration proceedings take forever. It's why we wind up with so many people in limbo.

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It is an issue but a larger reason so many illegal immigrants are or were in limbo is because of the asylum policies under Biden.

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The problem existed long before that, though. There are structural issues that can't just be pinned on any one president and that Congress has regularly refused to address.

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It did previously exist only to be exponentially exacerbated by the Biden administration. Congress needs to step up, we agree there.

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I think you don't have a firm grasp on the meaning of exponentially.

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