Trump is running for president again

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bear2034
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:

The GOP is now the MAGA working class party.

We are witnessing a Reformation.

That's one way of putting it. Another way is that Trump's support among college graduates has tanked since 2016, because the more educated you are, the less likely you are to believe anything he says. And so he has been busy marketing himself to the uneducated, praying on their fears and prejudices.

Are you sure? It seems Joe Biden has lost some support among college graduates because despite the brainwashing, even they realize the Democrats are insane.
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bear2034 said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:

The GOP is now the MAGA working class party.

We are witnessing a Reformation.

That's one way of putting it. Another way is that Trump's support among college graduates has tanked since 2016, because the more educated you are, the less likely you are to believe anything he says. And so he has been busy marketing himself to the uneducated, praying on their fears and prejudices.

Are you sure? It seems Joe Biden has lost some support among college graduates because despite the brainwashing, even they realize the Democrats are insane.

To Big C's point, can you count how many times Trump flat-out LIED during his Super Tuesday speech?
I counted 6 and only have a bachelor's degree from Cal.


"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Biden's team is going to have to remind people that things weren't always as great in America as they are right now.






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More people died from Covid under Biden than Trump.
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tequila4kapp said:

More people died from Covid under Biden than Trump.
According to the CDC, here are the COVID deaths by year in the US.

2020: 385,676
2021: 463,267
2022: 246,166
2023: 48,615

Have you seen any messaging by Biden that he wants to take us back to the carefree days of 2021? Only Trump is arguing that we should look to his past presidency as some sort of amazing 4-year period in the history of our country when the opposite was true. It was more or less an unrelenting sh(t show, and that was before the pandemic hit. Trump was the laughing stock of the world and embarrassed us on the daily.

But yes, you are correct that more people died of COVID during Biden's 3 years in office than in the 10 months Trump was president and mis-managed the COVID epidemic.




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I dont think that there is any doubt that had Trump been President since 2020, Putin would have never attacked Ukraine and Hamas would have never attacked Israel.

Just look how he handled Rocket Man in North Korea with beautiful love letters.

TRUMP KNOWS FOREIGN POLICY!

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Unit2Sucks said:


Trump was the laughing stock of the world and embarrassed us on the daily.



Exhibit A:


I took this photo in front of a store in Killarney, Republic of Ireland, August 2, 2017.
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In the Oklahoman 4 days ago. Here's his oped.
TV interview with Nicole Wallace today.


I voted for Trump twice. Liz Cheney's book and DOJ Jan. 6 indictment changed my mind

Jim YoungGuest columnist


I voted for Donald Trump twice. I am a staunch, almost redneck conservative, registered Republican, Oklahoman and American. I believe in limited government, free enterprise and traditional Christian values. I believe that government should stay out of the personal lives of women and others who want to live alternative lifestyles, whatever that means. I believe in personal responsibility and that government should help those who can't help themselves.

My heroes are Ronald Reagan, Warren Buffett, George Kaiser and Jamie Dimon. I love Oklahoma, my residence for my entire adult life, and Texas, where I was born and raised. I am proud to have been a banker to the oil and gas industry, the lifeblood of our state, but I am not a climate denier.

I believe that Joe Biden and his followers in Washington have been in the top five of the worst political leaders we have ever seen in this country's history. Outrageous mismanagement of the southern border, historic levels of inflation, existentially dangerous, out-of-control spending and government debt are his legacy.

Following the 2020 election, I admit to having stuck my head in the sand as a citizen. I didn't want to pay much attention to all the ridiculous haranguing about stolen elections and other crazy political rhetoric. I have to admit that I was intrigued by some of the conspiracy theories about ballot stuffing and crooked voting machines. I watched in awe and disgust the TV coverage of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. I just shook my head, not totally surprised.


Didn't really give much thought to how it developed and who was behind it. I suppose I just chalked it up to the seemingly never-ending, incredibly irresponsible behavior that has become all too common in our country. Then came the Jan. 6 Select Committee investigation and more political haranguing, finger-pointing and fighting. It made me nauseous. I didn't want to hear it, didn't want to see it.


Liz Cheney's memoir changed my mind

However, recently, for some reason, I purchased and downloaded a book by Liz Cheney titled "Oath and Honor, a Memoir and a Warning." This book was published in late 2023, and it details Mrs. Cheney's involvement as a senior leader behind the investigation of the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. It is extremely detailed and very well organized. Liz goes to great pains to be objective, factual and fair in her description of how the committee was formed and how it operated for about 18 months from June 2021 to December 2022.

In 2022, Rep. Liz Cheney was vice chair of the House Select Committee to Investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.
The committee was incredibly diligent and meticulous in its approach to developing and corroborating evidence that shows the role President Donald Trump played from the day after the 2020 election until the fateful Jan. 6 debacle as he attempted to hold on to his job. It is an impressive literary work.

I came away from the book thinking that Liz Cheney is an intelligent, highly organized, honest and patriotic American citizen. Her most impressive attribute is that she is a politician for whom honoring the Constitution and the rule of law comes above all else, including her own political career. She readily sacrificed her career as a member of Congress in order to communicate the truth.

I was very surprised and proud of myself having read the entire book! More surprising is what an impact it has had on my thinking about Trump's role in the whole process of attempting to overturn the results of the election and the incitement of the Jan. 6 mob attack on the Capitol. I even went further after finishing Liz's book. I was inspired to read the entire Executive Summary of the official finding of the Jan. 6 Select Committee, which is about 100 pages of a pdf document not including about 800 footnotes! Finally, I have read the actual indictment filed by the Justice Department against Mr. Trump. All three documents, the book, the findings and the indictment are very clear, well documented and all tell a very consistent story.

"Oath and Honor," by Liz Cheney
How is Trump not in jail right now?

This book is a very frightening story! It is scary because it shows how incredibly obsessed Trump was about being cheated out of the election. He was totally irrational and willing to believe anything he was told that would lead to a verification of fraudulent voting activities. No matter how hard his advisers and supporters tried to tell him there was simply no substantial evidence that the election was stolen, he continued to connive, coerce and threaten people to overturn the results. He filed some 60 lawsuits in various states attempting to show fraudulent voting activity, all of which he lost.

The ultimate "Big Lie" was that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him. He continues to spread this propaganda to this day.

Practically all of the witnesses who testified at the committee hearings were members of Trump's own party. They were his advisers, his supporters, his employees. And the most scary element of all is that he clearly incited the ugly incident at the Capitol, and once it was underway, he actively avoided taking steps to stop it even while hundreds of people were injured and some were killed. Further, and equally dangerously enlightening is the number of Republican politicians who supported Trump's irrationality and disturbing behavior and continue to do so to this day.


The House of Representatives impeached Donald Trump in 2021. Then the Senate narrowly failed to convict him only because some Republicans decided since he was no longer president it wasn't worth the trouble. They thought he would just go away. They were wrong!

This frightful story has not ended. Donald Trump is the apparent leading contender to be the Republican nominee for president in 2024. He has somehow convinced millions of Americans that he is a victim of political persecution by his opponents.


After reading Liz Cheney's book, the committee findings and the DOJ indictment, I do not understand how Donald Trump can possibly be considered as a legitimate candidate for the most important job in the world. Frankly, I don't understand how he is not in jail right now.

Having subjected you to my own opinion I will go no further than to implore you, before you cast a vote or support Donald Trump, please take the time to read Liz Cheney's book, or the committee findings or the DOJ indictment. The future of our society depends on it.


Jim Young is retired from a 42-year career as a senior banking executive and community leader in Tulsa and Oklahoma City.

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concordtom said:

In the Oklahoman 4 days ago. Here's his oped.
TV interview with Nicole Wallace today.


I voted for Trump twice. Liz Cheney's book and DOJ Jan. 6 indictment changed my mind

Jim YoungGuest columnist


I voted for Donald Trump twice. I am a staunch, almost redneck conservative, registered Republican, Oklahoman and American. I believe in limited government, free enterprise and traditional Christian values. I believe that government should stay out of the personal lives of women and others who want to live alternative lifestyles, whatever that means. I believe in personal responsibility and that government should help those who can't help themselves.

My heroes are Ronald Reagan, Warren Buffett, George Kaiser and Jamie Dimon. I love Oklahoma, my residence for my entire adult life, and Texas, where I was born and raised. I am proud to have been a banker to the oil and gas industry, the lifeblood of our state, but I am not a climate denier.

I believe that Joe Biden and his followers in Washington have been in the top five of the worst political leaders we have ever seen in this country's history. Outrageous mismanagement of the southern border, historic levels of inflation, existentially dangerous, out-of-control spending and government debt are his legacy.

Following the 2020 election, I admit to having stuck my head in the sand as a citizen. I didn't want to pay much attention to all the ridiculous haranguing about stolen elections and other crazy political rhetoric. I have to admit that I was intrigued by some of the conspiracy theories about ballot stuffing and crooked voting machines. I watched in awe and disgust the TV coverage of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. I just shook my head, not totally surprised.


Didn't really give much thought to how it developed and who was behind it. I suppose I just chalked it up to the seemingly never-ending, incredibly irresponsible behavior that has become all too common in our country. Then came the Jan. 6 Select Committee investigation and more political haranguing, finger-pointing and fighting. It made me nauseous. I didn't want to hear it, didn't want to see it.


Liz Cheney's memoir changed my mind

However, recently, for some reason, I purchased and downloaded a book by Liz Cheney titled "Oath and Honor, a Memoir and a Warning." This book was published in late 2023, and it details Mrs. Cheney's involvement as a senior leader behind the investigation of the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. It is extremely detailed and very well organized. Liz goes to great pains to be objective, factual and fair in her description of how the committee was formed and how it operated for about 18 months from June 2021 to December 2022.

In 2022, Rep. Liz Cheney was vice chair of the House Select Committee to Investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.
The committee was incredibly diligent and meticulous in its approach to developing and corroborating evidence that shows the role President Donald Trump played from the day after the 2020 election until the fateful Jan. 6 debacle as he attempted to hold on to his job. It is an impressive literary work.

I came away from the book thinking that Liz Cheney is an intelligent, highly organized, honest and patriotic American citizen. Her most impressive attribute is that she is a politician for whom honoring the Constitution and the rule of law comes above all else, including her own political career. She readily sacrificed her career as a member of Congress in order to communicate the truth.

I was very surprised and proud of myself having read the entire book! More surprising is what an impact it has had on my thinking about Trump's role in the whole process of attempting to overturn the results of the election and the incitement of the Jan. 6 mob attack on the Capitol. I even went further after finishing Liz's book. I was inspired to read the entire Executive Summary of the official finding of the Jan. 6 Select Committee, which is about 100 pages of a pdf document not including about 800 footnotes! Finally, I have read the actual indictment filed by the Justice Department against Mr. Trump. All three documents, the book, the findings and the indictment are very clear, well documented and all tell a very consistent story.

"Oath and Honor," by Liz Cheney
How is Trump not in jail right now?

This book is a very frightening story! It is scary because it shows how incredibly obsessed Trump was about being cheated out of the election. He was totally irrational and willing to believe anything he was told that would lead to a verification of fraudulent voting activities. No matter how hard his advisers and supporters tried to tell him there was simply no substantial evidence that the election was stolen, he continued to connive, coerce and threaten people to overturn the results. He filed some 60 lawsuits in various states attempting to show fraudulent voting activity, all of which he lost.

The ultimate "Big Lie" was that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him. He continues to spread this propaganda to this day.

Practically all of the witnesses who testified at the committee hearings were members of Trump's own party. They were his advisers, his supporters, his employees. And the most scary element of all is that he clearly incited the ugly incident at the Capitol, and once it was underway, he actively avoided taking steps to stop it even while hundreds of people were injured and some were killed. Further, and equally dangerously enlightening is the number of Republican politicians who supported Trump's irrationality and disturbing behavior and continue to do so to this day.


The House of Representatives impeached Donald Trump in 2021. Then the Senate narrowly failed to convict him only because some Republicans decided since he was no longer president it wasn't worth the trouble. They thought he would just go away. They were wrong!

This frightful story has not ended. Donald Trump is the apparent leading contender to be the Republican nominee for president in 2024. He has somehow convinced millions of Americans that he is a victim of political persecution by his opponents.


After reading Liz Cheney's book, the committee findings and the DOJ indictment, I do not understand how Donald Trump can possibly be considered as a legitimate candidate for the most important job in the world. Frankly, I don't understand how he is not in jail right now.

Having subjected you to my own opinion I will go no further than to implore you, before you cast a vote or support Donald Trump, please take the time to read Liz Cheney's book, or the committee findings or the DOJ indictment. The future of our society depends on it.


Jim Young is retired from a 42-year career as a senior banking executive and community leader in Tulsa and Oklahoma City.




I take the opinions of people who call out their own side very seriously. I have no plans on voting for Trump nor Biden. I guess I'll vote for whoever else is on the ballot. I will vote for any politician who comes out and says we have to make sure two ****ty candidates like we have for president can never happen again and here's my thoughts on how we can prevent it.
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I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.
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Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


Joe Biden is the best president ever; he blew up NordSteam 2. Could Lincoln have done that? C'mon man.
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Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


You don't have to figure it out.
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82gradDLSdad said:

Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


You don't have to figure it out.

You're not seriously going to vote for Trump again, are you?
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concordtom said:

82gradDLSdad said:

Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


You don't have to figure it out.

You're not seriously going to vote for Trump again, are you?


What makes you think I've voted for Trump?
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82gradDLSdad said:

concordtom said:

82gradDLSdad said:

Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


You don't have to figure it out.

You're not seriously going to vote for Trump again, are you?


What makes you think I've voted for Trump?


To be honest, I can't keep track of everyone on here. And, I confuse certain people. Like you and Tequila4Kapp. Same length, with a number in there.

But here and there you bash Biden and liberals, do you not?
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concordtom said:

82gradDLSdad said:

concordtom said:

82gradDLSdad said:

Big C said:


I still haven't figured out: What's so bad about Biden? I think he's done a good job. Perfect? No. Who can be perfect in that job nowadays? The only problem I have is, he's getting old and should've limited himself to one term.


You don't have to figure it out.

You're not seriously going to vote for Trump again, are you?


What makes you think I've voted for Trump?


To be honest, I can't keep track of everyone on here. And, I confuse certain people. Like you and Tequila4Kapp. Same length, with a number in there.

But here and there you bash Biden and liberals, do you not?


I don't care for anyone who's a lifelong politician. The older I get the more underhanded stuff I feel the government and the associated agencies do to normal folks. I'm just a normal guy. I forgot how I registered to vote. Turns out I'm independent.
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That's fine.
You just can't vote for Trump.
He's akin to Hitler, a disaster in the waiting.

There are so many risks.
Geopolitical.
But then, I was an international affairs major, and my senior thesis was on "conflict and change in the world order". After graduation, I got that 8 month stint at the senate foreign relations committee.
So I'm biased.
82gradDLSdad
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concordtom said:

That's fine.
You just can't vote for Trump.
He's akin to Hitler, a disaster in the waiting.

There are so many risks.
Geopolitical.
But then, I was an international affairs major, and my senior thesis was on "conflict and change in the world order". After graduation, I got that 8 month stint at the senate foreign relations committee.
So I'm biased.


So we got lucky his first term? I'd be building a bunker then because I think he's going to win again.
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Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

More people died from Covid under Biden than Trump.
According to the CDC, here are the COVID deaths by year in the US.

2020: 385,676
2021: 463,267
2022: 246,166
2023: 48,615

Have you seen any messaging by Biden that he wants to take us back to the carefree days of 2021? Only Trump is arguing that we should look to his past presidency as some sort of amazing 4-year period in the history of our country when the opposite was true. It was more or less an unrelenting sh(t show, and that was before the pandemic hit. Trump was the laughing stock of the world and embarrassed us on the daily.

But yes, you are correct that more people died of COVID during Biden's 3 years in office than in the 10 months Trump was president and mis-managed the COVID epidemic.
Yeah, no. Trump was idiot Trump but the country was in pretty great shape heading into 2020. The economy was humming. Covid was a gift in really pretty packaging to the Dems - Biden was able to hide in his basement instead of campaign and Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems. But for Covid all you TSDers would be celebrating that Trump only has 10 months left in his 2nd term. 100%.

If you are going to start in with the qualification like 3 years vs 10 months then let's go ahead and also say that Biden had in 1 year vs. Trump in 1 year. And that is with Biden inherited a working vaccine and the vast majority of 2020 death were the most vulnerable elements of the population (aged / overweight / comorbidities). If Biden was a Republican TSDers would be raking him over the coals for all those deaths.
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tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

More people died from Covid under Biden than Trump.
According to the CDC, here are the COVID deaths by year in the US.

2020: 385,676
2021: 463,267
2022: 246,166
2023: 48,615

Have you seen any messaging by Biden that he wants to take us back to the carefree days of 2021? Only Trump is arguing that we should look to his past presidency as some sort of amazing 4-year period in the history of our country when the opposite was true. It was more or less an unrelenting sh(t show, and that was before the pandemic hit. Trump was the laughing stock of the world and embarrassed us on the daily.

But yes, you are correct that more people died of COVID during Biden's 3 years in office than in the 10 months Trump was president and mis-managed the COVID epidemic.
Yeah, no. Trump was idiot Trump but the country was in pretty great shape heading into 2020. The economy was humming. Covid was a gift in really pretty packaging to the Dems - Biden was able to hide in his basement instead of campaign and Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems. But for Covid all you TSDers would be celebrating that Trump only has 10 months left in his 2nd term. 100%.

If you are going to start in with the qualification like 3 years vs 10 months then let's go ahead and also say that Biden had in 1 year vs. Trump in 1 year. And that is with Biden inherited a working vaccine and the vast majority of 2020 death were the most vulnerable elements of the population (aged / overweight / comorbidities). If Biden was a Republican TSDers would be raking him over the coals for all those deaths.
Yes, until COVID screwed up Obama's economy, Trump hadn't screwed up the economy. These are empty defenses of Trump.

If Trump's main argument is that life was better when his term started (before it all went to sh*t on his watch), he's going to lose. The reality is that Trump inherited a strong economy, it went into the toilet, and it started humming again under Biden. Trump didn't improve anything so he's resorting to bald-faced lies like saying that we were energy independent under him and not now (which isn't supported by any facts) or that the stock market is rising now because people think he's going to win (despite the fact that when he lost in 2020, there was an immediate jump in the market). Talking about changes in election laws is just MAGA Trump garbage. What this really boils down to is the GOP wanting to suppress votes because they know that American citizens don't want what the GOP is offering. That's been made abundantly clear in the last 3 national elections and in every single special election since 2016.

Biden did what he needed to do to win the election fairly and squarely. Absent GOP shenanigans, he will win in 2024. I'm sorry that it bothers you.
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No one knows who is going to win in November.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional.

There is a lot that can still happen between now and the election cycle, and there isn't any clear leader at this time. Just two has-been convincing America that they should vote for them because the other guy is worse.

What is more disingenuous are those who claim that presidents don't control economy when it is going bad with their guy and then give all credit to their president when it's going well.

The best thing that a president can do is get out of the way when the economy is going well instead of thinking it's all about them and then meddle and crash it. And when there is a calamity like the pandemic, create temporary floatation device.

Neither side has demonstrated any greater ability on either front other than deflect blame when it's not going well and take credit when it is.

I will vote for Biden not because he is great but because he presents less of a risk. How exciting.
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calbear93 said:

No one knows who is going to win in November.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional.

There is a lot that can still happen between now and the election cycle, and there isn't any clear leader at this time. Just two has-been convincing America that they should vote for them because the other guy is worse.

What is more disingenuous are those who claim that presidents don't control economy when it is going bad with their guy and then give all credit to their president when it's going well.

The best thing that a president can do is get out of the way when the economy is going well instead of thinking it's all about them and then meddle and crash it. And when there is a calamity like the pandemic, create temporary floatation device.

Neither side has demonstrated any greater ability on either front other than deflect blame when it's not going well and take credit when it is.

I will vote for Biden not because he is great but because he presents less of a risk. How exciting.
Yes - both sides, both sides.

Seth brings up a few good points as well.


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tequila4kapp said:


Yeah, no. Trump was idiot Trump but the country was in pretty great shape heading into 2020. The economy was humming.

Humming?
Are you serious?

I wouldn't call GDP growth of a measly 2.1% anything to write home about heading into Covid.

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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82gradDLSdad said:

concordtom said:

That's fine.
You just can't vote for Trump.
He's akin to Hitler, a disaster in the waiting.

There are so many risks.
Geopolitical.
But then, I was an international affairs major, and my senior thesis was on "conflict and change in the world order". After graduation, I got that 8 month stint at the senate foreign relations committee.
So I'm biased.


So we got lucky his first term? I'd be building a bunker then because I think he's going to win again.

And that answers your prior question as to why I think you voted for him before.
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82gradDLSdad said:

concordtom said:

That's fine.
You just can't vote for Trump.
He's akin to Hitler, a disaster in the waiting.

There are so many risks.
Geopolitical.
But then, I was an international affairs major, and my senior thesis was on "conflict and change in the world order". After graduation, I got that 8 month stint at the senate foreign relations committee.
So I'm biased.


So we got lucky his first term? I'd be building a bunker then because I think he's going to win again.

And, no, we didn't get lucky his first term. I mean, look at this nation! Have you seen the commentary on whether we are headed for another civil war? This country is SO divided, and it's predominantly because of trump.
It started with his birtherism racism and only have grown. He fans the flames and throws gasoline.

We've suffered the very same negative stuff we were crying about 7 years ago. It's come true.
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tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

More people died from Covid under Biden than Trump.
According to the CDC, here are the COVID deaths by year in the US.

2020: 385,676
2021: 463,267
2022: 246,166
2023: 48,615

Have you seen any messaging by Biden that he wants to take us back to the carefree days of 2021? Only Trump is arguing that we should look to his past presidency as some sort of amazing 4-year period in the history of our country when the opposite was true. It was more or less an unrelenting sh(t show, and that was before the pandemic hit. Trump was the laughing stock of the world and embarrassed us on the daily.

But yes, you are correct that more people died of COVID during Biden's 3 years in office than in the 10 months Trump was president and mis-managed the COVID epidemic.
Yeah, no. Trump was idiot Trump but the country was in pretty great shape heading into 2020. The economy was humming. Covid was a gift in really pretty packaging to the Dems - Biden was able to hide in his basement instead of campaign and Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems. But for Covid all you TSDers would be celebrating that Trump only has 10 months left in his 2nd term. 100%.

If you are going to start in with the qualification like 3 years vs 10 months then let's go ahead and also say that Biden had in 1 year vs. Trump in 1 year. And that is with Biden inherited a working vaccine and the vast majority of 2020 death were the most vulnerable elements of the population (aged / overweight / comorbidities). If Biden was a Republican TSDers would be raking him over the coals for all those deaths.

Bold claim.
I call cow patties!

Let's see the evidence for "Democrats changing election laws all over the country to favor them."
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concordtom said:



Bold claim.
I call cow patties!

Let's see the evidence for "Democrats changing election laws all over the country to favor them."


Time Magazine. February 4, 2021.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

No one knows who is going to win in November.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional.

There is a lot that can still happen between now and the election cycle, and there isn't any clear leader at this time. Just two has-been convincing America that they should vote for them because the other guy is worse.

What is more disingenuous are those who claim that presidents don't control economy when it is going bad with their guy and then give all credit to their president when it's going well.

The best thing that a president can do is get out of the way when the economy is going well instead of thinking it's all about them and then meddle and crash it. And when there is a calamity like the pandemic, create temporary floatation device.

Neither side has demonstrated any greater ability on either front other than deflect blame when it's not going well and take credit when it is.

I will vote for Biden not because he is great but because he presents less of a risk. How exciting.
Yes - both sides, both sides.

Seth brings up a few good points as well.





That's why I am voting for Biden despite my disagreement with many of his policies. Even 8 years ago, I had had enough with the bat**** crazy that Trump as a person represents. We've normalized the crazy for too long, and it is also driving the other side crazy as well. And I have had enough of the do- nothing but act crazy, throw mean tweet and leech off the government Republicans in the house.
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bear2034 said:

concordtom said:



Bold claim.
I call cow patties!

Let's see the evidence for "Democrats changing election laws all over the country to favor them."


Time Magazine. February 4, 2021.
Your Time magazine article quotes are disturbingly short on specifics.
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tequila4kapp said:

Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems.
I'm just curious about this point. How?
Unit2Sucks
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This clip makes some good points, but it's important to remember both sides. Biden is kind of shouty and hasn't cured cancer yet.


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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems.
I'm just curious about this point. How?
tequila4kapp has a point in that, all over the country election laws were changed in ways that made it easier for Americans to vote safely during a pandemic, and naturally that is a benefit to Dems because when Dems vote, Dems win.
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LOL the GOP is now pro-tiktok because one of the TT billionaires gave Trump money. Such strength, such conviction.



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calbear93 said:






That's why I am voting for Biden despite my disagreement with many of his policies. Even 8 years ago, I had had enough with the bat**** crazy that Trump as a person represents. We've normalized the crazy for too long, and it is also driving the other side crazy as well. And I have had enough of the do- nothing but act crazy, throw mean tweet and leech off the government Republicans in the house.
Bless you.
Every time I read something like this my blood pressure declines.

I thought it was over 3 years ago.
But then, One Final Scare!

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dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

Dems all over the country changed election laws in ways that favored Dems.
I'm just curious about this point. How?
tequila4kapp has a point in that, all over the country election laws were changed in ways that made it easier for Americans to vote safely during a pandemic, and naturally that is a benefit to Dems because when Dems vote, Dems win.

They made it easier to vote by mail. It used to be that Republicans gained more from mail-in ballots, until Trump told them not to use those.
 
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