Talk of it sure lathers the Deplorables up enough for them to continue to vote for tRump regardless of what conduct he engages in.

What is really deplorable is the utter disdain on the Left for the so-called Deplorables. As this article describes, civilization is under assault and it isn't by Trump supporters. We are much closer to a complete breakdown of society than anyone here would dare to imagine and if it happens there will be no place for even smug, elite progressives to hide, especially in their beloved Blue states and cites.

"As this article describes, civilization is under assault and it isn't by Trump supporters."

….if you don't count the January 6 Insurrection thing….and the Evangelicals trying to turn America into Gilead.




The Far Right and the Far Left are both fascists trying to impose their belief systems on the unwilling. tRump is a fascist openly in love with totalitarian leaders throughout the world. He has a much better chance of bringing his totalitarian soggy dream to fruition than any Progressive on the horizon does and he has his plans all ready to go.

Inside Trump '25: A radical plan for Trump's second term


https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term

Closeted subconscious racism has since swept across America since Obama's election. I mean, what's next, grandchild of a Mexican who crossed illegally decades ago will become President?


This is exactly the problem: Leftists fanning the flames of racism for political gain. Now there is a large segment of society which believes that anything wrong that happens in their life is the fault of people of another color. This will not end well.

How is this relevant? Sad that we can have an honest discussion on topics like this.

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Closeted subconscious racism has since swept across America since Obama's election. I mean, what's next, grandchild of a Mexican who crossed illegally decades ago will become President?

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How would you know if closeted subconscious racism has swept across America since Obama's election if the racism is closeted and subconscious?

Racism is quite open and conscious these days. See the pandering to blacks and open hostility to Jews from American left wingers.

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How is this relevant? Sad that we can have an honest discussion on topics like this.

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Honest discussion???
Hahaha. Thx for the laugh - at your expense.
I've read your posts here - honest discussion??? Hahaha!!

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concordtom said:

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Closeted subconscious racism has since swept across America since Obama's election. I mean, what's next, grandchild of a Mexican who crossed illegally decades ago will become President?

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How would you know if closeted subconscious racism has swept across America since Obama's election if the racism is closeted and subconscious?

Racism is quite open and conscious these days. See the pandering to blacks and open hostility to Jews from American left wingers.

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How many millions of votes did trump get?

Sure, we see the Ahmaud Arbery killings and the Charlottesville rallies. Those ARE out in the open.
But it's the millions of quiet folks who check the box that I was referring to.

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Viktor Orban: Hungary 'autocracy' verdict from EU correct, say activists - BBC News


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62925460


"The lengthy report criticised Hungary for a host of restrictions on human rights and democratic practices, including attacks on:

The independence of judiciary
Press freedom
LGBT rights
Academic freedom
Minorities and asylum seekers"

Hungary Enters a New Era of Autocracy - Carnegie Europe - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/86809

Why Conservatives Around the World Have Embraced Hungary's Viktor Orbn | The New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-conservatives-around-the-world-have-embraced-hungarys-viktor-orban

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Coming from the country that imprisoned Julian Assange, and that jails people for silently praying or posting social media content that goes against the government position.

Britain has arrested six times more people for something they posted on social media than Russia.

Let that sink in and heed this warning, Canada.

Do not be dumb & silent led like sheep to the slaughter. pic.twitter.com/yTUpUZQSfx

— Kat Kanada (@KatKanada_TM) December 11, 2023

British social media user arrested and held for 7hrs under section 12 of the “terrorism act” for supporting Palestine and refusing to denounce it pic.twitter.com/daQoWu7Sod

— Sarah Wilkinson (@swilkinsonbc) December 12, 2023

Police in the UK arrest a woman for silently praying:

"Are you praying?"

"I might be praying in my head." pic.twitter.com/7Q8UnKmfa1

— Mary Margaret Olohan (@MaryMargOlohan) December 22, 2022

80%-90% of Hungarians don't want open borders or LGBT content and sex ed for young children in their schools. That's pretty much true across most of the planet, it doesn't mean that these countries are "autocratic".

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Media in Hungary is controlled by the government and private sector allies

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That is very much the case in many western countries, including France, Canada, and the US as well, if you understand that both sides of the isle work together on most important issues including foreign policy/forever wars, protecting oligarch interests etc.

Who Voted for Hitler? | Wilson Quarterly


https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/who-voted-for-hitler

"If you don't vote for me, you aint black." - Joe Biden

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Sure, we see the Ahmaud Arbery killings and the Charlottesville rallies. Those ARE out in the open.
But it's the millions of quiet folks who check the box that I was referring to.

Ugly incidents for sure. But if you're going to use Trump's out-of-context comment on Charlottesville as an example of his racism, save it for an ignorant CNN viewer.

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Evidence of Trump's racism goes FAR beyond the Charlottesville comments. It began with the judge who said he and his father incorporated it into his business, continued to his "call for death" attack on the (innocent) Central Park Five youth (for which he never apologized)….and here's a video snippet of other offensive comments.



https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case


Here, look at this one: said just on Saturday in Durham NH. Immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.
That's not racist?????
You've got to be kidding me.




Then there's the Vermin comments,


And I like this response by Maggie Hassan:


You know, Zipper… I have a large house, and my children are almost all out of the house now. I think I'd consider housing and hiding some illegal immigrants from Trump's roundup deportation gestapo forces when the time comes.

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bearister said:

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Who Voted for Hitler? | Wilson Quarterly


https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/who-voted-for-hitler

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This is excellent. Thank you.

Basically, the vote for the Nazi Party was normal, happens everywhere all the time, and that is that when the economic **** hits the fan, people vote in self-interested ways for what they perceive will be to their own benefit.

The researchers also conclude that the best way to combat Naziism is to run economic policies that work for the masses.

Uh, gee, thanks. That's inspiring.

So, when doo doo happens for reasons that have nothing to do with government set economic policies, like say the ice caps melt, a global virus pandemic hits out of nowhere, or a madman terrorist from the other side of the world decides to blow some **** up, it's normal human behavior to go extreme on their neighbor in order to save themselves.

Right. Now that's what I call Hopeful!

Strap on, gents. It's going to get bumpy.

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But there is more to the story right now. Biden's polling deterioration in recent months coincides with economic improvement. Inflation is down massively, unemployment is fine, real wages are rising and Biden's popularity is declining. I believe what is going on is oligarchy. The oligarchy controls the message that gets out. The unrelenting message from most media is that things are terrible. This is not grounded in facts, it is grounded in messaging.

I'm not even talking about the right wing media ecosystem that completely envelopes half of political America. The media that doesn't even mention Kate Cox, who had to flee Texas to get the healthcare her doctor told her she needs. I'm also not talking about social media which is even more dangerous, because it hides opinion from global oligarchs using massive bot farms behind the personas of seeming real Americans. I'm talking about organizations like the NY Times. Do not be fooled into thinking organizations like the NY Times are liberal (CNN is not even up for debate, having been taken over by right wingers a couple years ago).

The NY Times leadership would clearly prefer establishment conservative governance. The kind that would protect their tax breaks and wealth. The NY Times gave us Judith Miller pushing the Iraq War, daily front page coverage of the bogus Hillary email scandal, phony exonerations of Trump investigations days before the election. Sure, the NY Times would prefer Mitt Romney over Trump. Sure the NY Times will cover titillating scandal about Trump. But the NY Times is terrified of a real liberal movement that would tax wealth and give voice to people earning less than $100k. For the NY Times, center-left social policy is good for debate from both sides (which drives revenue) and center-left economic policy is questionable and presented with right wing framing.

There is no substantive liberal media in America. I have said before, the saddest day I ever saw on any corporate news was on MSNBC the day it looked like Bernie Sanders had won the Democratic nomination in 2016. I didn't even support Bernie Sanders and I was appalled at what I was seeing. But it should be no surprise when half the day's coverage from MSNBC is from former Republicans who turned against Trump. That isn't exactly liberal. The oligarchy is making its move to entrench it's own rule.

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But there is more to the story right now. Biden's polling deterioration in recent months coincides with economic improvement. Inflation is down massively, unemployment is fine, real wages are rising and Biden's popularity is declining. I believe what is going on is oligarchy.

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High prices, rising debt, soaring bankruptcies.