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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:39p, 1/24/26
BearlySane88 said:
tequila4kapp said:
BearNIt said:
The description by ICE is bull***** You can't shoot law abiding citizens who have done what the government asked them to do to carry a concealed weapon. This is insane and needs to stop.

I offer my perspective as a former conceal carry permit holder. I was taught - and suspect this is taught in every single CC class across the country - that you show your hands to LEO and calmly say something like "I am a conceal carry permit holder and I have a firearm on me." I have done a version of this myself. Interacting with LEO was always a very scary time for me while a permit holder; it is inherently dangerous and a risky point in time for a permit holder.

It is incredibly reckless and dangerous to be around LEO without doing that because you are creating a risk of getting yourself shot. The fact he was carrying and chose to interfere, obstruct and resist LEO is literally inconceivable to me. It's like getting drunk and repeatedly running across a busy freeway at night with dark clothes on.


Well said. What he did is just something you don't do with a conceal carry permit. I know nobody who carries a gun that would handle this situation the way he did. I am sorry he is dead, that really sucks that he either didn't have the training or didn't have the wherewithal to keep his cool.

What is the opinion of this panel of two with regard to administering 10 9mms into the back of a person after they have been disarmed and are subdued face down on the asphalt? Asking for a friend.

There are 266 million adults (18+) in the U.S. How many of those people do you think buy what the Trump Administration is selling with regard to ICE use of force misconduct in Minnesota and with regard to the claim that the decedent was a domestic terrorist attempting to assassinate ICE officers?

Trump is a throwback guy that preferred the environment of the good old days: You know, the Summer of 1967 when The Guard and local police gunned down Black rioters in major U.S. cities; the Oakland Induction Center Protest of 1967 when OPD and the Alameda County Sheriffs Dept. broke bones and fractured skulls on horseback with Billy clubs and horses kicking bodies; the Alameda County Sheriff using buckshot at Cal in 1969 and killing Jamie Rector on a rooftop on Telegraph in 1969; and the Guard killing four students at Kent State in 1970.


Jamie Rector, 1969



Kent State, 1970


The July 28, 1967, Life magazine cover featured a haunting image of 12-year-old Joe Bass Jr., who was shot and wounded by stray pellets during the Newark riots.

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In reply to Haloski • 6:40p, 1/24/26
Haloski said:
Now let's talk about hero Kyle Rittenhouse…

Some of you *******s are shameless.


He complied with law enforcement when they arrived. Huge difference
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:44p, 1/24/26
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Haloski said:
Now let's talk about hero Kyle Rittenhouse…

Some of you *******s are shameless.


He complied with law enforcement when they arrived. Huge difference

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In reply to bearister • 6:45p, 1/24/26
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BearlySane88 said:
tequila4kapp said:
BearNIt said:
The description by ICE is bull***** You can't shoot law abiding citizens who have done what the government asked them to do to carry a concealed weapon. This is insane and needs to stop.

I offer my perspective as a former conceal carry permit holder. I was taught - and suspect this is taught in every single CC class across the country - that you show your hands to LEO and calmly say something like "I am a conceal carry permit holder and I have a firearm on me." I have done a version of this myself. Interacting with LEO was always a very scary time for me while a permit holder; it is inherently dangerous and a risky point in time for a permit holder.

It is incredibly reckless and dangerous to be around LEO without doing that because you are creating a risk of getting yourself shot. The fact he was carrying and chose to interfere, obstruct and resist LEO is literally inconceivable to me. It's like getting drunk and repeatedly running across a busy freeway at night with dark clothes on.


Well said. What he did is just something you don't do with a conceal carry permit. I know nobody who carries a gun that would handle this situation the way he did. I am sorry he is dead, that really sucks that he either didn't have the training or didn't have the wherewithal to keep his cool.


What is the opinion of this panel of two with regard to administering 10 9mms into the back of a person after they have been disarmed and are subdued face down on the asphalt? Asking for a friend.



Supreme Court already ruled on this 9-0

And it's a little tired to just call the right racists these days. Maybe you're more old school than you would like to admit
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6:53p, 1/24/26
Think this Storm Trooper cares that a young man lost his life today that was a nurse giving care to Veterans?

Of course not.
Project 2025 is going as planned.

For him, the end justifies the means.

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:56p, 1/24/26
BearlySane88 said:
bearister said:
BearlySane88 said:
tequila4kapp said:
BearNIt said:
The description by ICE is bull***** You can't shoot law abiding citizens who have done what the government asked them to do to carry a concealed weapon. This is insane and needs to stop.

I offer my perspective as a former conceal carry permit holder. I was taught - and suspect this is taught in every single CC class across the country - that you show your hands to LEO and calmly say something like "I am a conceal carry permit holder and I have a firearm on me." I have done a version of this myself. Interacting with LEO was always a very scary time for me while a permit holder; it is inherently dangerous and a risky point in time for a permit holder.

It is incredibly reckless and dangerous to be around LEO without doing that because you are creating a risk of getting yourself shot. The fact he was carrying and chose to interfere, obstruct and resist LEO is literally inconceivable to me. It's like getting drunk and repeatedly running across a busy freeway at night with dark clothes on.


Well said. What he did is just something you don't do with a conceal carry permit. I know nobody who carries a gun that would handle this situation the way he did. I am sorry he is dead, that really sucks that he either didn't have the training or didn't have the wherewithal to keep his cool.


What is the opinion of this panel of two with regard to administering 10 9mms into the back of a person after they have been disarmed and are subdued face down on the asphalt? Asking for a friend.



Supreme Court already ruled on this 9-0

And it's a little tired to just call the right racists these days. Maybe you're more old school than you would like to admit

What does racism have to do with White officers panicking and killing a White man? Name of ruling of SCOTUS that makes this unlawful use of force killing legal?
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6:57p, 1/24/26
"We are the Storm"

Joseph Goebbels would be PROUD!


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In reply to bearister • 7:00p, 1/24/26
bearister said:
BearlySane88 said:
bearister said:
BearlySane88 said:
tequila4kapp said:
BearNIt said:
The description by ICE is bull***** You can't shoot law abiding citizens who have done what the government asked them to do to carry a concealed weapon. This is insane and needs to stop.

I offer my perspective as a former conceal carry permit holder. I was taught - and suspect this is taught in every single CC class across the country - that you show your hands to LEO and calmly say something like "I am a conceal carry permit holder and I have a firearm on me." I have done a version of this myself. Interacting with LEO was always a very scary time for me while a permit holder; it is inherently dangerous and a risky point in time for a permit holder.

It is incredibly reckless and dangerous to be around LEO without doing that because you are creating a risk of getting yourself shot. The fact he was carrying and chose to interfere, obstruct and resist LEO is literally inconceivable to me. It's like getting drunk and repeatedly running across a busy freeway at night with dark clothes on.


Well said. What he did is just something you don't do with a conceal carry permit. I know nobody who carries a gun that would handle this situation the way he did. I am sorry he is dead, that really sucks that he either didn't have the training or didn't have the wherewithal to keep his cool.


What is the opinion of this panel of two with regard to administering 10 9mms into the back of a person after they have been disarmed and are subdued face down on the asphalt? Asking for a friend.



Supreme Court already ruled on this 9-0

And it's a little tired to just call the right racists these days. Maybe you're more old school than you would like to admit

What does racism have to do with White officers panicking and killing a White man? Name of ruling of SCOTUS that makes this unlawful use of force killing legal?


"Trump is a throwback guy that preferred the environment of the good old days: You know, the Summer of 1967 when The Guard and local police gunned down Black rioters in major U.S. cities"
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This was the racist part. Yall like to repeatedly say Trump is a white power kinda guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumhoff_v._Rickard
"The Court also addressed that the number of shots fired (after the car initially stopped) did not automatically make the force excessive, as officers could reasonably believe the threat continued."
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:11p, 1/24/26
Two of my three examples from 1967-1970 were cops/Guard killing White kids. Use of force abuse was the point, not the color of the victims.
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7:12p, 1/24/26
Oh he was a choirboy too.

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In reply to bearister • 7:15p, 1/24/26
bearister said:
Two of my three examples from 1967-1970 were cops/Guard killing White kids. Use of force abuse was the point, not the color of the victims.


My apologies, I took it a different way
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In reply to sycasey • 7:15p, 1/24/26
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Oh he was a choirboy too.



Him being a choir boy has no merit on anything that happened today.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:24p, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:
Oh he was a choirboy too.



Him being a choir boy has no merit on anything that happened today.

Other than making the optics and politics even more horrible for Trump.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:30p, 1/24/26
He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:33p, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
Oh he was a choirboy too.



Him being a choir boy has no merit on anything that happened today.

Other than making the optics and politics even more horrible for Trump.


Not at all. A life is a life. Doesn't really matter
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 7:36p, 1/24/26
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He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.

Any words for the ICE officer who was shoving women around who seemed to pose no threat?
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7:37p, 1/24/26
Oh boy. Based on this it looks very likely that the agent who shot had seen his colleague disarm Peretti already. Then he shot him in the back.



Cowardly murder.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:39p, 1/24/26
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Oh boy. Based on this it looks very likely that the agent who shot had seen his colleague disarm Peretti already. Then he shot him in the back.



Cowardly murder.


You have no idea what he saw or where his eyes were.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:41p, 1/24/26
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The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.
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7:43p, 1/24/26
Federal Agent Reportedly Said 'Boo Hoo' After Minneapolis Man Was Shot Dead,Mayor Asks 'How Many More Americans Need to Die?
https://people.com/minneapolis-mayor-jacob-frey-reacts-man-shot-dead-by-federal-officers-11892004
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In reply to sycasey • 7:45p, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
He moved in front of a LEO, got between the LEO and the lady while the LEO was engaged with her. This is not okay. He was an idiot that created a situation for himself. Stay on the street and protest peacefully and you go home to your loved ones. Do stupid **** and you create the possibility of something tragically bad happening. This is not complicated.

Any words for the ICE officer who was shoving women around who seemed to pose no threat?

If someone is obstructing, threatening or interfering arrest them. Letting the courts handle it is better than pushing people to the ground. If they are not obstructing, threatening or interfering then keep your hands to yourself.
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In reply to chazzed • 7:46p, 1/24/26
chazzed said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Is this video supposed to teach me something?


We listen when minorities speak. Isn't that what the left says?

I listened. And?


And nothing. You just listen. You can't go against a minorities statements. You're a racist then.

See how dumb that is?

Sure, I never agreed with that kind of thing.

But this guy isn't even really saying anything.

So close, and yet so far....

Explain it to me like I'm 5.

Try re-listening to the video, but instead of focusing on what he's saying, try paying attention to the responses he's getting in the video. If that's too difficult for you to understand, maybe political satire is just too complex for you.

I want you to give me your explanation of what you think he's satirizing and why this satire needs to be directed at me. Don't dance around, state your case.



Ain't my responsibility to explain things to Democrats.
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In reply to bearister • 7:47p, 1/24/26
bearister said:
Federal Agent Reportedly Said 'Boo Hoo' After Minneapolis Man Was Shot Dead,Mayor Asks 'How Many More Americans Need to Die?
https://people.com/minneapolis-mayor-jacob-frey-reacts-man-shot-dead-by-federal-officers-11892004



And yet with all the filming going on they don't have him saying it on camera? I call bull
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In reply to sycasey • 7:49p, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
chazzed said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Is this video supposed to teach me something?


We listen when minorities speak. Isn't that what the left says?

I listened. And?


And nothing. You just listen. You can't go against a minorities statements. You're a racist then.

See how dumb that is?

Sure, I never agreed with that kind of thing.

But this guy isn't even really saying anything.

So close, and yet so far....

Explain it to me like I'm 5.

Try re-listening to the video, but instead of focusing on what he's saying, try paying attention to the responses he's getting in the video. If that's too difficult for you to understand, maybe political satire is just too complex for you.

I want you to give me your explanation of what you think he's satirizing and why this satire needs to be directed at me. Don't dance around, state your case.



Since Yogi has declined to do so, I will guess at what I think his point is supposed to be:

He thinks that his repeated suggestions and insinuations that the Democratic Party is weak and feckless and allowed this to happen are news to me. Guess what? They're not. I know the Dem leaders have been weak as f*** on this stuff. I don't think that is a more pressing concern than what the Trump government is doing right now, but I know. So this "satire" doesn't need to be presented to me like it's some big revelation, thanks.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 7:54p, 1/24/26
DiabloWags said:
BearNIt said:
The description by ICE is bull***** You can't shoot law abiding citizens who have done what the government asked them to do to carry a concealed weapon. This is insane and needs to stop.


Imagine what the gun lobby is going to say about a law abiding American citizen having his Constitutional rights taken away by the Federal Govt using violence.

This is the fundamental basis for being able to bear arms.

Just sayin'


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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:58p, 1/24/26
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sycasey said:



The liberal strategy on this, I guess, is since not enough people don't care about brown people being arrested and abused for being brown people, let's get as many dumbass white liberals to start physical confrontations with ICE agents that will always end in ICE 7, Confrontational Liberal 0. And that's not to say that the ICE agent is always right or is ever right even once in the situation for shooting the other person, but that the angry white liberal is never ever ever going to come out the winner in that situation.

If you think that's a cause worth throwing your life away for, by all means let's thin the herd of these dumbass white liberals who think they can confront armed feds and come out the winner. Less future idiots who will vote for vapid idiots like Gavin Newsom, Jasmine Crockett, Kamala Harris, et al.

Better smarter strategy is to protest non-violently with your voice and your words and your signs, and your stupid chants and stop threatening armed feds who are looking for any excuse to shoot you.

This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 7:58p, 1/24/26
And yet feckless Bernie Sanders is nowhere to be found.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:07p, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
Hey folks, I just earned a quick ban from the mods for my "bootlicker" meme that I posted earlier. Just a warning to you all in case you want to use even saltier language in describing those who defend another ICE murder.



Rookie.

I may disagree with most of your views, but I will say that I've never seen you post something that was worthy of a ban (that said, I didn't see the meme, but I'm pretty sure I know which one it is as it's been posted several times on the board).

Certainly nothing as bad as telling Greybear in his chat that Jeff Tedford was a ***** for running a draw against Washington on 3rd and 23 in 2007.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:10p, 1/24/26
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This argument is self-contradictory several times over and basically advocates for the same feckless response you criticize Dem politicians for. I guess this is the result of being nominally against ICE but also needing to always position yourself against those annoying liberals for some reason.


It's terribly passive aggressive.
As feckless as Bernie Sanders shaking his hands at the camera and acting like he cares.

Yawn.
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In reply to Haloski • 8:16p, 1/24/26
Haloski said:
Imagine finding yourself in a position where you have even the slightest sense that you need to take a defensive or "wait and see" position about today's event in Minnesota because of your political affiliation and/or previous vote(s). Yuck.

I think you should get on a plane to Minneapolis and help out the protesters with their good cause. Use the same tactics they use and then bask in the glow of feeling you held the morally superior position when things escalate.

Or continue feeling superior being the safety of your keyboard per usual. Your choice.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 8:19p, 1/24/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey Let's look at all the polls, not just one that looks good for Trump. said:


I looked at this but it's hard to believe those numbers when the economy and inflation are actually doing incredibly well right now.

People don't look at economic indicators. They look at $9/lb ground beef and $17/lb steak and suddenly the economy and inflation don't look so good.

All of your politicians and all of your media rejected those arguments less than two years ago.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 8:23p, 1/24/26
Aunburdened said:
I may disagree with most of your views, but I will say that I've never seen you post something that was worthy of a ban (that said, I didn't see the meme, but I'm pretty sure I know which one it is as it's been posted several times on the board).

So here's the thing: I don't actually think we disagree on as much as you think. For example, you assumed that I disagreed with you on "Abolish ICE" but when you actually asked me it turns out that I don't. You have a caricatured idea of what my views actually are. We could probably have productive discussions if you could do away with trying to constantly "own" me. I think we disagree on tactics more than desired outcomes.
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In reply to Haloski • 8:35p, 1/24/26
Haloski said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Haloski said:
Imagine finding yourself in a position where you have even the slightest sense that you need to take a defensive or "wait and see" position about today's event in Minnesota because of your political affiliation and/or previous vote(s). Yuck.

Imagine finding yourself waking up in the morning and carrying a gun with you to a heated protest against federal law enforcement and thinking things will turn out well in the end.


Imagine a person not drawing that gun, being subdued, having that gun taken from them, remaining subdued and then getting shot god knows how many times while being restrained.

Oh wait, you don't have to imagine that. That's what happened today. It doesn't matter how stupid he was to bring that gun. I repeat: it does not matter. Properly trained people suitable for law enforcement don't shoot that man.

If you can't speak out against this or feel the need to defend or deflect, you're an absolute piece of steaming garbage to most people, even ones that you're politically aligned with.

Today is a huge turning point.

It does matter. Because if this idiot had followed his parents' advice and not confronted the ICE agent, he'd be alive right now.

You can oppose everything that ICE is doing. I oppose what they're doing. I don't like their tactics, I think their agents are poorly trained, if at all. This whole operation doesn't really even have anything to do with illegal immigration ultimately in my view. It's wanting to provoke confrontations exactly like what we got today. Recruit a bunch of angry people that don't like immigrants and are desperate for good paying jobs, send them into liberal enclaves, and create violent confrontations. It's violent political gamesmanship.

What both sides fail to understand, as they always do, is you're being whipped up into a frenzy by politicians who don't give a damn about you or that you're throwing your life away so that you they can do better in the midterms. The people who protest and the people in ICE are the puppets and they pay the price and the politicians sit safely away and make speeches.

Oppose ICE all you want. But do it in a way that puts your safety at a premium because blowing whistles and rushing up to film feds with guns with your cellphone so you can be a viral star is poking a bear that is all too happy to maul you.
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In reply to sycasey • 8:41p, 1/24/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
I may disagree with most of your views, but I will say that I've never seen you post something that was worthy of a ban (that said, I didn't see the meme, but I'm pretty sure I know which one it is as it's been posted several times on the board).

So here's the thing: I don't actually think we disagree on as much as you think. For example, you assumed that I disagreed with you on "Abolish ICE"

No. I wanted to know your stance. I genuinely had no idea whether you supported the existence of the agency and just thought they should be more lawful or whether the existence of the agency in and of itself was a bad thing. And it pisses me off that Democrats who have been all too happy to take an Abolish ICE stance when there was no potential cost are backing off on that when that stance matters more now than ever.
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but when you actually asked me it turns out that I don't. You have a caricatured idea of what my views actually are. We could probably have productive discussions if you could do away with trying to constantly "own" me. I think we disagree on tactics more than desired outcomes.

I understand your views perfectly fine. You are making incorrect assumptions as you did above.
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