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In reply to cal83dls79 • 8:05a, 2/5/26
cal83dls79 said:
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
concordtom said:

I would be very entertained to watch some posters here, who say they support ICE, be rounded up by Trump's vigilante (so-called) Justice squad, wrestled to the ground, and have their face shoved in mud, on a case of mistaken identity.

It would make quite the viral video to see them soil their pants in fear, and then turn against Trump in the subsequent interview videos saying "Gosh, I didn't vote for THAT!"


I was arrested once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?


Sounds like you were detained.
Not arrested.

Probable cause is required for a warrantless arrest in a public place to be legal.
Not merely suspicion.

If you were actually arrested, police would have taken you to a police station and put through a booking process.

Sounds like you were merely "detained".
Thanks for sharing.





I may have seen this on Scared Straight or was it Unlocked?


lol
May have been the first "arrest" in history without being fingerprinted.

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8:19a, 2/5/26
I was detained once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:51a, 2/5/26
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
We don't even officially acknowledge the true number of illegal immigrants we have now - 35 - 50 million.



I'm not surprised by this post above that offers ZERO substantiation.







Record 14 Million Unauthorized Immigrants Lived in the US in 2023 | Pew Research Center



LOL. So in the late 1990s the Federal government said we had 11 million illegal immigrants, and three decades later it's 14 million? What a joke. Liars.

Yale Insights: Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates

September 21, 2018

"Using mathematical modeling on a range of demographic and immigration operations data, the researchers estimate there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States...."

"The results, published in PLOS ONE, surprised the authors themselves. They started with the extremely conservative model and expected the results to be well below 11.3 million...."

"After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers' 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean...."

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

22.1 - 29 million (2018) - Yale study
Unknown - Net change - 2018 - 2020
10 - 22 million - Biden NGO importation

32.1 - 51 million - total estimate

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In reply to oski003 • 9:20a, 2/5/26
oski003 said:
I was detained once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?


Thanks for clearing that up as I had suspected.
You were never arrested, like you had previously claimed.
Big difference.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:35a, 2/5/26
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
I was detained once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?


Thanks for clearing that up as I had suspected.
You were never arrested, like you had previously claimed.
Big difference.


The story itself is pretty darn clear that I wasn't legally arrested. I have no problem clarifying it for pompous jerks who seek to pat themselves on the back.

https://share.google/04ynppFHi2Y51gwQ7

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In reply to oski003 • 9:37a, 2/5/26
For further clarification.
Unedited version of the posters original post:

oski003 said:

I was arrested once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?


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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:46a, 2/5/26
DiabloWags said:
For further clarification.
Unedited version of the posters original post:

oski003 said:

I was arrested once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?




Money can't buy class.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:47a, 2/5/26
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
We don't even officially acknowledge the true number of illegal immigrants we have now - 35 - 50 million.



I'm not surprised by this post above that offers ZERO substantiation.







Record 14 Million Unauthorized Immigrants Lived in the US in 2023 | Pew Research Center


Right after the 2021-2022 worker shortage we got a surge of immigrants. That has always been what made America great.
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In reply to oski003 • 1:00p, 2/5/26
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
For further clarification.
Unedited version of the posters original post:

oski003 said:

I was arrested once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?




Money can't buy class.


Bingo.
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:29p, 2/5/26
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
We don't even officially acknowledge the true number of illegal immigrants we have now - 35 - 50 million.



I'm not surprised by this post above that offers ZERO substantiation.







Record 14 Million Unauthorized Immigrants Lived in the US in 2023 | Pew Research Center


Right after the 2021-2022 worker shortage we got a surge of immigrants. That has always been what made America great.


There were no mass-scale welfare programs when the Irish, Italians, Jewish and Chinese immigrated.

One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country, sucking tens of Billions of dollars from our Federal and State governments in scam after scam. Then, some of it is routed back to their failed country to fund terrorism! Somalians may have tipped us off the nationwide illegal rackets and scams. Home health care, child care, medical transportation, home hospice, etc., which may be costing us hundreds of Billions of dollars per year.
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In reply to movielover • 2:47p, 2/5/26
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.
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In reply to sycasey • 2:51p, 2/5/26
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

Somalia
Piracy
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In reply to movielover • 2:58p, 2/5/26
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

That's not what people said back then.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:16p, 2/5/26
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

That's not what people said back then.


Those were legal immigrants coming to an open country. Yes, racists and xenophobes then did not like competing for wages with legal immigrants.
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In reply to oski003 • 3:26p, 2/5/26
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

That's not what people said back then.


Those were legal immigrants coming to an open country. Yes, racists and xenophobes then did not like competing for wages with legal immigrants.

The Somalis are legal immigrants too.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:03p, 2/5/26
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

That's not what people said back then.


Those were legal immigrants coming to an open country. Yes, racists and xenophobes then did not like competing for wages with legal immigrants.

The Somalis are legal immigrants too.

Yeah, but, there is something about them - esthetic, perhaps - that makes many conservatives feel differently about them…
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
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6:28p, 2/5/26
An observation: Kristi Noem's full name is Kristi Lynn Arnold Noem. That means her initials are KLAN. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 6:32p, 2/5/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
An observation: Kristi Noem's full name is Kristi Lynn Arnold Noem. That means her initials are KLAN. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Sounds appropriate.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 6:47p, 2/5/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
An observation: Kristi Noem's full name is Kristi Lynn Arnold Noem. That means her initials are KLAN. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Norwegians are part of the superior "Nordic race," which are viewed as the purest branch of the "Aryan" master race (Herrenrasse). Along with Germans, Danes, and Swedes, Norwegians were regarded as ideal Aryan, or Germanic, types within the Nazi racial hierarchy.




" Why is it we only take people from sh@ithole countries, right?" Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few?"*
-Donald Trump
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/us/snplus/news/2025/12/10/trump-says-he-s-fixing-affordability-problems--he-s-testing-out-that-message-at-a-rally

*Naturally, I interrupt this statement in the non racist way it was intended by the speaker.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:24p, 2/5/26
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
I was detained once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?


Thanks for clearing that up as I had suspected.
You were never arrested, like you had previously claimed.
Big difference.


He asks a very important question there at the end.
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What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?

No, but I think he could have wiped his face clean.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:26p, 2/5/26
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
We don't even officially acknowledge the true number of illegal immigrants we have now - 35 - 50 million.



I'm not surprised by this post above that offers ZERO substantiation.







Record 14 Million Unauthorized Immigrants Lived in the US in 2023 | Pew Research Center


Right after the 2021-2022 worker shortage we got a surge of immigrants. That has always been what made America great.


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In reply to concordtom • 8:59p, 2/5/26
concordtom said:
dajo9 said:
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
We don't even officially acknowledge the true number of illegal immigrants we have now - 35 - 50 million.



I'm not surprised by this post above that offers ZERO substantiation.







Record 14 Million Unauthorized Immigrants Lived in the US in 2023 | Pew Research Center


Right after the 2021-2022 worker shortage we got a surge of immigrants. That has always been what made America great.




Glad you support the populist movement that got our president elected again
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In reply to Muckieeye • 9:54p, 2/5/26
Muckieeye said:
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
One example. We now literally have imported hundreds of thousands of people who have piracy ingrained in their failed culture, and failed country

Sounds a lot like when we imported that failed Italian mafia culture en masse and it destroyed our country too.


Italy
Art
Sculpture
Opera
Food
Wine
Roman Empire
Architecture

That's not what people said back then.


Those were legal immigrants coming to an open country. Yes, racists and xenophobes then did not like competing for wages with legal immigrants.

The Somalis are legal immigrants too.

Yeah, but, there is something about them - esthetic, perhaps - that makes many conservatives feel differently about them…

Yes, perhaps! But of course when the mass wave of Italians first came, conservatives of the time felt similarly about them. Especially the darker ones from Southern Italy.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 10:00p, 2/5/26

They are going to back Kid Rock at the Alternate Super Bowl Halftime Show.
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In reply to bearister • 10:30p, 2/5/26
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They are going to back Kid Rock at the Alternate Super Bowl Halftime Show.

I went to Super Bowl XI and got to watch Up With People at half time. Ahhh... what memories!

So thrilling that I skipped a trip to the concession stands for some Soylent Green. After all, Soylent Green Is People.
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In reply to bearister • 10:51p, 2/5/26
I'll be watching the puppy bowl
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In reply to oski003 • 7:24a, 2/6/26
oski003 said:
I was detained once for suspicion of stealing. Wrong place, wrong time. It wasn't fun. It would've been worse if I ran or resisted. I was handcuffed on the ground on the sidewalk for an hour before supervisors arrived and confirmed I was innocent. Could I have sued them? What if I resisted and they had to "wrestle me to the ground and shove my face in mud?". Could I then have sued them?

I was not a criminal law practitioner but I checked a couple of things:

The law:
The police have no liability for a false arrest if they had probable cause to suspect that you committed a crime.

It is unlawful in most cases for a citizen to resist even a false arrest although there is some flex in that if excessive force is use during the arrest.

The reality in the SF Bay Area:

Few jurors will find probable cause for a false arrest in a civil case for damages, regardless of whether the plaintiff resisted or not. The county is going to settle and pay or get whacked by the jury.

How many times has this scenario played out in the Bay Area:

A family member, shopkeeper or member of the public calls 911 about a person wielding a bat, knife, machete or pike threatening people. The police arrive and the armed person charges and the police shoot and kill them. Result: The city writes a check to the heirs (often estranged for years) for millions…..and there is a hue and cry to charge the officer with murder. This tips you off how successful defending a false arrest case would be.

If police in Bay Area had shot and killed Good and Pretti the city involved would have paid out millions. Since ICE did the killings, with all the hurdles the Trump DOJ will put up and the decedents being on the opposite end of the political spectrum, all I can say is good luck to the heirs.
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7:54a, 2/6/26

Bush and Reagan in 1980
…answering a question on illegals from Mexico getting access to Houston public schooling.

Quite different than the demonizing language the Republican Party uses today.




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