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They trolling illegals or American tourists? lol.
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Was driving up to Buxton (think Shawshank Redemption) to fish and passed thru downtown Biddeford in the town I live and came upon a police detour that I jokingly referred to as an ICE action but kept to myself because a kid was in the car . Was informed via txt on river by wife that ICE was involved in another untimely death somehow.
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cal83dls79 said:

Was driving up to Buxton (think Shawshank Redemption) to fish and passed thru downtown Biddeford in the town I live and came upon a police detour that I jokingly referred to as an ICE action but kept to myself because a kid was in the car . Was informed via txt on river by wife that ICE was involved in another untimely death somehow.


Is this what you're talking about?
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BearlySane88 said:

cal83dls79 said:

Was driving up to Buxton (think Shawshank Redemption) to fish and passed thru downtown Biddeford in the town I live and came upon a police detour that I jokingly referred to as an ICE action but kept to myself because a kid was in the car . Was informed via txt on river by wife that ICE was involved in another untimely death somehow.


Is this what you're talking about?

yes, I own an apartment building about a block away
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cal83dls79 said:

BearlySane88 said:

cal83dls79 said:

Was driving up to Buxton (think Shawshank Redemption) to fish and passed thru downtown Biddeford in the town I live and came upon a police detour that I jokingly referred to as an ICE action but kept to myself because a kid was in the car . Was informed via txt on river by wife that ICE was involved in another untimely death somehow.


Is this what you're talking about?

yes, I own an apartment building about a block away


Very sad that there was a loss of life. If the story I'm seeing is accurate, it sounds like a justified shoot but I don't know enough yet to make a firm judgement on that.
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And yet you have made a judgement already. Nice attempt at appearing balanced.
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Muckieeye said:

And yet you have made a judgement already. Nice attempt at appearing balanced.


He said sounds like a justified shoot, and I agree with him. That doesn't mean either of us have made a "judgement already" and need to be castigated for attempting to appear balanced. Thanks.
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Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.
SBGold
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ICE doesn't mind killing, it just means they have to do a bit more paperwork to file the report
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.


I don't see anything in the eye witness reports you included in your post that either confirms or denies that it was a justified shoot.

This eyewitness seems to point the opposite direction

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Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.
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SBGold said:

ICE doesn't mind killing, it just means they have to do a bit more paperwork to file the report
paperwork? What paperwork?
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cal83dls79
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sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Two advocacy groups, the Maine Immigrants' Rights Coalition and Presente! Maine, said in a joint statement that a 26-year-old Colombian man had died in the encounter. Project Relief, another immigrant advocacy organization, said the man had a partner and a young child.
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BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.


I don't see anything in the eye witness reports you included in your post that either confirms or denies that it was a justified shoot.

This eyewitness seems to point the opposite direction


OK, in light of the first tweet, I'll withdraw the first sentence of my post. I still think it's shameful that they apparently were content to withhold CPR or other measures until local agencies arrived. Also, it's ridiculous that ICE isn't wearing body cameras. It's like they know it could prove incriminating so they'll just avoid having footage of incidents.

I'm not sure what the second tweet proves. It was taken while local police and paramedics were working, so it was taken well after the shooting and doesn't provide any evidence about how the shooting went down.
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cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Protestor, resistor, advocate, agitator, whatever they were.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.


I don't see anything in the eye witness reports you included in your post that either confirms or denies that it was a justified shoot.

This eyewitness seems to point the opposite direction



OK, in light of the first tweet, I'll withdraw the first sentence of my post. I still think it's shameful that they apparently were content to withhold CPR or other measures until local agencies arrived. Also, it's ridiculous that ICE isn't wearing body cameras. It's like they know it could prove incriminating so they'll just avoid having footage of incidents.

I'm not sure what the second tweet proves. It was taken while local police and paramedics were working, so it was taken well after the shooting and doesn't provide any evidence about how the shooting went down.

I would trust any hearsay tweets from anyone noted in the above tweets
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SBGold said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.


I don't see anything in the eye witness reports you included in your post that either confirms or denies that it was a justified shoot.

This eyewitness seems to point the opposite direction



OK, in light of the first tweet, I'll withdraw the first sentence of my post. I still think it's shameful that they apparently were content to withhold CPR or other measures until local agencies arrived. Also, it's ridiculous that ICE isn't wearing body cameras. It's like they know it could prove incriminating so they'll just avoid having footage of incidents.

I'm not sure what the second tweet proves. It was taken while local police and paramedics were working, so it was taken well after the shooting and doesn't provide any evidence about how the shooting went down.

I would trust any hearsay tweets from anyone noted in the above tweets


It's an interview done by the Portland Press Herald. No more or less trustworthy than the eye witness quoted as saying ICE didn't offer help
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Eyewitness accounts from the Portland Press Herald (pressherald.com) aren't very supportive of the justified shooting claim but don't completely rule it out. It certainly appears that ICE took no actions to prevent the driver's death once they had shot him.

Em said agents appeared to crash a vehicle into the smaller car to get it to stop, then the driver (already shot - my added comment for clarification) was pulled out.

"No one went to him and no one did anything," she said, her voice choking with tears.

After Biddeford police and an ambulance arrived, Boucher said he saw someone appear to start CPR on the driver.


So, they let him bleed out for the 5-10 minutes or whatever that it took for local agencies to arrive.

Another witness said the driver's last words were "I tried to stop."

Of course, what actually happened may never be known for sure because the ICE agents were conveniently not wearing body cameras.


I don't see anything in the eye witness reports you included in your post that either confirms or denies that it was a justified shoot.

This eyewitness seems to point the opposite direction


OK, in light of the first tweet, I'll withdraw the first sentence of my post. I still think it's shameful that they apparently were content to withhold CPR or other measures until local agencies arrived. Also, it's ridiculous that ICE isn't wearing body cameras. It's like they know it could prove incriminating so they'll just avoid having footage of incidents.

I'm not sure what the second tweet proves. It was taken while local police and paramedics were working, so it was taken well after the shooting and doesn't provide any evidence about how the shooting went down.


Yeah I agree that does suck if true, is that an ICE policy?

The second tweet is just embedded in the first, not the reason I was posting.
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cal83dls79 said:

SBGold said:

ICE doesn't mind killing, it just means they have to do a bit more paperwork to file the report

paperwork? What paperwork?

LOL, probably accurate.

I chatted with an old timer policeman from Alameda and he told me back in the day when there was an accident on the Alameda side of the Webster tunnel that they would drag the accident to the Oakland side when feasible so they didn't have to do the paperwork
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SBGold said:

cal83dls79 said:

SBGold said:

ICE doesn't mind killing, it just means they have to do a bit more paperwork to file the report

paperwork? What paperwork?

LOL, probably accurate.

I chatted with an old timer policeman from Alameda and he told me back in the day when there was an accident on the Alameda side of the Webster tunnel that they would drag the accident to the Oakland side when feasible so they didn't have to do the paperwork


I saw a commercial bus sideswipe a car on the road once and keep going. I called 911 from my cell and followed the bus until it was pulled over. Then I felt like a jerk because everybody had to get off the bus and wait for a new bus. The officer said to me, "thanks for the paperwork".

I took solace that some of the riders told police they saw the accident and the victims of the hit and run had also phoned it in.
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If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.

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chazzed said:

If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.




Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot regardless of whether you're the person they are looking for or not. The tweet does not at all prove that this is murder.
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dajo9 said:

SBGold said:

cal83dls79 said:

SBGold said:

ICE doesn't mind killing, it just means they have to do a bit more paperwork to file the report

paperwork? What paperwork?

LOL, probably accurate.

I chatted with an old timer policeman from Alameda and he told me back in the day when there was an accident on the Alameda side of the Webster tunnel that they would drag the accident to the Oakland side when feasible so they didn't have to do the paperwork


I saw a commercial bus sideswipe a car on the road once and keep going. I called 911 from my cell and followed the bus until it was pulled over. Then I felt like a jerk because everybody had to get off the bus and wait for a new bus. The officer said to me, "thanks for the paperwork".

I took solace that some of the riders told police they saw the accident and the victims of the hit and run had also phoned it in.

lol
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BearlySane88 said:

chazzed said:

If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.




Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot regardless of whether you're the person they are looking for or not. The tweet does not at all prove that this is murder.

Yeah that is probably a misinformed take as the current Senator does not subscribe to those facts at all:

"King, who's calling for an investigation, said the agents were NOT wearing body cameras. The FBI is leading the investigation, he added.

"The FBI has responded to assist on-scene immediately following this morning's shooting incident in Biddeford, Maine. We have no additional comment at this time," the agency said.

"What did he do with his vehicle? Were officers threatened? Were the threats rising to the level that justified deadly force?" King said.

King also stated he was concerned that officers involved in the incident were not wearing body cameras.
"We've been told that body cameras would be widely distributed," he said. "The secretary told me that they're on order, that they have been distributed widely across the country, but not everywhere."

No body cameras, ICE is awful.

Spreading misinformation is bad.

VOTE BLUE
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sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Protestor, resistor, advocate, agitator, whatever they were.
but it was none of those dude but whatever I guess for you.
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SBGold said:

BearlySane88 said:

chazzed said:

If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.




Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot regardless of whether you're the person they are looking for or not. The tweet does not at all prove that this is murder.

Yeah that is probably a misinformed take as the current Senator does not subscribe to those facts at all:

"King, who's calling for an investigation, said the agents were NOT wearing body cameras. The FBI is leading the investigation, he added.

"The FBI has responded to assist on-scene immediately following this morning's shooting incident in Biddeford, Maine. We have no additional comment at this time," the agency said.

"What did he do with his vehicle? Were officers threatened? Were the threats rising to the level that justified deadly force?" King said.

King also stated he was concerned that officers involved in the incident were not wearing body cameras.
"We've been told that body cameras would be widely distributed," he said. "The secretary told me that they're on order, that they have been distributed widely across the country, but not everywhere."

No body cameras, ICE is awful.

Spreading misinformation is bad.

VOTE BLUE


The senator doesn't seem to subscribe to any facts, he's asking questions as one should in this situation. I agree there should have been body cams.

The eye witness that was interviewed reported what he saw. I agree, don't post misinformation.
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BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

BearlySane88 said:

chazzed said:

If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.




Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot regardless of whether you're the person they are looking for or not. The tweet does not at all prove that this is murder.

Yeah that is probably a misinformed take as the current Senator does not subscribe to those facts at all:

"King, who's calling for an investigation, said the agents were NOT wearing body cameras. The FBI is leading the investigation, he added.

"The FBI has responded to assist on-scene immediately following this morning's shooting incident in Biddeford, Maine. We have no additional comment at this time," the agency said.

"What did he do with his vehicle? Were officers threatened? Were the threats rising to the level that justified deadly force?" King said.

King also stated he was concerned that officers involved in the incident were not wearing body cameras.
"We've been told that body cameras would be widely distributed," he said. "The secretary told me that they're on order, that they have been distributed widely across the country, but not everywhere."

No body cameras, ICE is awful.

Spreading misinformation is bad.

VOTE BLUE


The senator doesn't seem to subscribe to any facts, he's asking questions as one should in this situation. I agree there should have been body cams.

The eye witness that was interviewed reported what he saw. I agree, don't post misinformation.

"he's asking questions as one should in this situation"

Your prior post didn't do that, you wrote " Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot".

Angus King, a standing Senator with infinitely more info on the subject than you, doesn't assume that happened, why would you?
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SBGold said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

BearlySane88 said:

chazzed said:

If the tweet below is accurate, this would be yet another horrific murder by ICE.




Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot regardless of whether you're the person they are looking for or not. The tweet does not at all prove that this is murder.

Yeah that is probably a misinformed take as the current Senator does not subscribe to those facts at all:

"King, who's calling for an investigation, said the agents were NOT wearing body cameras. The FBI is leading the investigation, he added.

"The FBI has responded to assist on-scene immediately following this morning's shooting incident in Biddeford, Maine. We have no additional comment at this time," the agency said.

"What did he do with his vehicle? Were officers threatened? Were the threats rising to the level that justified deadly force?" King said.

King also stated he was concerned that officers involved in the incident were not wearing body cameras.
"We've been told that body cameras would be widely distributed," he said. "The secretary told me that they're on order, that they have been distributed widely across the country, but not everywhere."

No body cameras, ICE is awful.

Spreading misinformation is bad.

VOTE BLUE


The senator doesn't seem to subscribe to any facts, he's asking questions as one should in this situation. I agree there should have been body cams.

The eye witness that was interviewed reported what he saw. I agree, don't post misinformation.

"he's asking questions as one should in this situation"

Your prior post didn't do that, you wrote " Driving your car at an LEO, as is said to have happened in this case, is grounds for you to be shot".

Angus King, a standing Senator with infinitely more info on the subject than you, doesn't assume that happened, why would you?


I posted the eye witness interview and what is being reported. I didn't assume anything. Moving on.
cal83dls79
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I shall wait to render an opinion after all the facts are in!
This is my opinion!
Good Day.
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dajo9
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We know DHS and ICE are not trustworthy. We'll just have to wait and see what comes out.
chazzed
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It doesn't look good for ICE at this point. Again, people are losing their lives because the agency is hyper aggressive.

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chazzed said:

It doesn't look good for ICE at this point. Again, people are losing their lives because the agency is hyper aggressive.




The entrance holes in the windshield might tell a different story.
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cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Protestor, resistor, advocate, agitator, whatever they were.

but it was none of those dude but whatever I guess for you.

I'm honestly not trying to argue about this. What word would you prefer?
cal83dls79
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sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Protestor, resistor, advocate, agitator, whatever they were.

but it was none of those dude but whatever I guess for you.

I'm honestly not trying to argue about this. What word would you prefer?
try "not the guy they were looking for but got the guy who got killed by ice somehow"
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sycasey
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cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

Seems like ICE have been ordered to tone down on the hyper-aggressive activity that defined the Minnesota incidents, so I wouldn't be surprised if any shootings now are more brought on by the protestors than by the officers. That wasn't the case before.


What protestor? This didn't involve a protestor.

Protestor, resistor, advocate, agitator, whatever they were.

but it was none of those dude but whatever I guess for you.

I'm honestly not trying to argue about this. What word would you prefer?

try "not the guy they were looking for but got the guy who got killed by ice somehow"

If that's what this turns out to be, then very well.
 
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