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Boom! Winning#
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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

Trump is racist.
White
Male
English speaking
Have you ever looked in the mirror?


Yes.
I'm white, male, English speaking.
And what of it?

I'll say it again. Trump is a racist.
What has the "white, male, english speaking" got to do with "Trump is a racist"?

Where is your evidence to back up your saying "Trump is a racist"?

Is he more racist than Obama was?

How did the racist Trump get more Black votes than any Republican in 50 years (Newsweek, Nov 9, 2024)?




We've been explaining to you here for 9 years now.
I've got better things to do than explain again.
You must have heard this one:

The Lone Ranger and Tonto are out riding one day, heading West, and they come to the crest of a hill. Down below are 1000 Indians in warpaint preparing for war.

Tonto: "This is no good, Kemosabe. Best we head East."

They head East, come to the top of a hill, and down below, another 1000 Indians preparing for war

Then the head South. The same thing happens.

Lone Ranger: "Only one way out, Tonto. We better head North."

They head North, and the same thing happens, another 1000 Indians preparing for war.

The Lone Ranger: "Tonto, we are surrounded by 4000 Indians in warpaint. What should we do?"

Tonto: "What do you mean "we", white man?

To my knowledge, you have never given me any verified incidences where Trump discriminated against any person of color. Nor have you provided me with any verified quotes which would be intentionally insulting to persons of color. Show me where he hired or promoted any white person over a person of color that was a verified case of racial discrimination.

If he were a racist, how does this make sense?

1. Trump won 20% of the votes from Black voters in 2024, while he got only 8% in 2016.

2. Trump got twice as many votes from Latino voters in 2024 than he got in 2016.

3. Trump got 39% of the Asian vote in 2024, vs 27% he got in 2016.

Again Tom, please just cite me some hard evidence that Trump is a racist. He is a hustler, a con artist. He's a politician. That is who they are and what they do. Trump has made mistakes, he's done some dumb things in life. Just show me where he was a racist, show me where he hurt or discriminated against someone of color.

Maybe i have a bad memory, or maybe I had you on "Ignore", but I never heard you make a case for your accusations. So now you say you don't have the time to give us your evidence. Well, take the time Tom. If you don't give me some evidence, I will take it that you don't have any.

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1. You could research the 1970's lawsuit against he and his father for not renting to blacks.

https://apnews.com/events-united-states-presidential-election-6349efef6986435b95411dc2e8f8f2c4

2. You could research his full page opinion add about how he wanted to give the death penalty to the Central Park Five, young (not old) black teens who were wrongfully accused, later proven innocent.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6131533-trumpdeathpenaltyad05011989/

3. You could look into his statements about a judge who he claimed would not rule fairly for him because his last name was Latino.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/27/politics/judge-curiel-trump-border-wall

4. You could listen to his endless language on the campaign trail that is just racially ugly. And if you haven't heard him speak racially ugly then I assume you are a racist as well, because sensitive people understand it immediately when we hear it.
Go to YouTube and search for it. You can find it.

But, whatever… you're going to see things as you see them.
And I know you are a decent fellow. So, I wish you a nice night!!!

That was 4. There a dozens more. But you asked for one, I gave you four.
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PS:
Please. Don't insult logic!
Voter percentages has NOTHING to do with my accusation of his racism.
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PPS:
My advice to the Lone Ranger is simple. Make friends with the Indians.

Your analogy was absolutely what's wrong here. You're viewing this as if there are only certain options or outcomes.

This whole thread is based on fear of outsiders, and a presumption that they are bad for America.

I have presented rationale for how they are good for our economy.
Here's that lengthy piece again, but I'll cut to the chase:

All (ALL) developed economies have birth rates that are below replacement rate of 2.1 kids per female. This is a problem for economies which rely on population growth for economic growth.

#1 factor for GDP growth is consumption growth.
#1 factor for consumption growth is population growth.

So, if you want USA economy to do well, you want population growth. And since people choose to have fewer children, then you want immigrants - for both production and consumption.

In the future, countries will be competing for immigrants and those which attract them will be winners.

Don't take my word for it:





I am not in favor of open borders.
But the rhetoric from the GOP is wrong minded, in my opinion.
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So then why isn't Trump honoring that?

Because he doesn't care, doesn't obey, doesn't believe laws and rules apply to him.

Nothing new.
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The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
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concordtom said:


I am not in favor of open borders.
But the rhetoric from the GOP is wrong minded, in my opinion.

I'm sure you would agree then that we should hold the people responsible for open borders accountable.
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Today.com: Trump takes in Jennifer Hudson and family

In the wake of her family tragedy, Jennifer Hudson has received a helping hand from a very unlikely source Donald Trump.


Nov. 11, 2008, 5:21 PM EST / Source: Access Hollywood

"In the wake of her family tragedy, Jennifer Hudson has received a helping hand from a very unlikely source Donald Trump.

"Hudson and some of her family members have been staying at the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago, and Trump has been picking up the tab.

""They are safe," Trump told People on Monday night. "She's a great girl and we're protecting them well."
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No one is above the law.
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We didn't need a new bill, all we needed was a new president.
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concordtom said:

PS:
Please. Don't insult logic!
Voter percentages has NOTHING to do with my accusation of his racism.


Trump's History of Support From White Supremacist, Far Right Groups - Business Insider


https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-history-of-support-from-white-supremacist-far-right-groups-2020-9

The Trump Administration's Assaults on Black History | Human Rights Watch


https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/04/10/trump-administrations-assaults-black-history

Trump on DEI And Anti-Discrimination Law | American Civil Liberties Union


https://www.aclu.org/trump-on-dei-and-anti-discrimination-law

In light of the above, why did Trump attract more Black voters in the 2024 Presidential Election? Well, one can only assume that like Rick in Casablanca…..


….they were misinformed.
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Today, 2018: Trump takes in Jennifer Hudson and family

In the wake of her family tragedy, Jennifer Hudson has received a helping hand from a very unlikely source Donald Trump.


Donald Trump put up the family, with added security, at Trump Tower Chicago.

Donald Trump gifts hero bus driver $10,000 for saving a woman's life.

https://www.indystar.com/embed/video/3386945/

P.S. The bus driver is Black.

Jesse Jackson Video praising Donald Truml for helping Black and Minotity Communities



Organizational Awards

National Jewish Hospital's Humanitarian Award (1976)[8]
Jewish National Fund's Tree of Life Award (1983)[9]
Ellis Island Medal of Honor (1986)[10][11]
Freedoms Foundation's President's Medal (1995)[12]
Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award (2007)[13]
Unicorn Children's Foundation's Shining Star Award (2008)[14]
Palm Beach Police Foundation's Palm Tree Award (2010)[15][16]
Lois Pope LIFE Foundation's Presidential Hero Award (2011)[17]
The Algemeiner's Liberty Award (2015)[18]
Marine CorpsLaw Enforcement Foundation's Commandant's Leadership Award (2015)[19]
The Friends of Zion Museum's Friends of Zion Award (2017)[20]

Source: Wikipedia
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He can put those awards in the same trophy case with all those golf Club Championship trophies he "won."
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Just a friendly reminder that the state of California made it illegal to check IDs for voting and it also pays healthcare for illegal immigrants.
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This popped up. Thought you might like.
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movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)


So you are theorizing that the five, who were 14, 15, 16, were involved in the rape and thus the Donald Trump full page ad was just.

Is that correct?

Let's read what it says, keeping in mind 14/15/16:

Quote:


BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY.
BRING BACK OUR POLICE!

What has happened to our City over the pastten years? What has happened to law and order, tothe neighborhood cop we all trusted to safeguard our homes and families, the cop. who had the power under the law to help us in times of danger, keep us safe from those who would prey on innocent lives to fulfill some distorted inner need. What has happened to the respect for authority, the fear of retribution by the courts, society and the police for those who break the law, who want only trespass on the rights of others? What has happened is the complete breakdown of life as we knew it.

Many New York families - White, Black, Hispanic and Asian have had to give up the pleasure of a leisurely stroll inthe Park at dusk, the Saturday visit to the playground with their families, the bike ride at dawn, or just sitting on their stoops given them up as hostages to a world ruled by the law of the streets, as roving bands of wild criminals roam our neighborhoods, dispensing their own vicious brand of twisted hatred on whomever they encounter. At what point did we cross the line from the fine and noble pursuit of genuine civil liberties to the reckless a n d d a n g e r o u s l y p e r m i s s i v e a t m o s p h e r e w h i c h allows criminals of every age to beat and rape a helpless woman and then laugh at her family's anguish? And why do they laugh? They laugh because they know that soon, very soon, they will be returned to the streets to rape and maim and kill once again and yet face no great personal risk to themselves.
Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers.
They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence.

Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyze o r understand them, I am looking to punish them. If the punishment is strong, the attacks on innocent people will stop. I recently watched a newscast trying to explain the "anger in these young men". I no longer want to understand their anger. I want them to understand our anger. I want them to be afraid.
How can our great society tolerate the continued brutalization o f its citizens by crazed misfits? C r i m i n a l s m u s t b e t o l d t h a t t h e i r
CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS!

When I was young. I sat in a diner with my father and witnessed two young bullies cursing and threatening a very frightened waitress. Two cops rushed in, lifted up the thugs and threw them out the door, warning them never to cause trouble again. I miss the feeling of security New York's finest once gave to the citizens of this City.
Let our politicians give back our police department's power to keep us safe. Unshackle them from the constant chant of "police brutality" which every petty criminal hurls immediately at an officer who has just risked his or her life to save another's. We must cease our continuous pandering to the criminal population of this City. Give New York back to the citizens who have earned the right to be New Yorkers.
Send a message loud and clear to those who would murder our citizens and terrorize New York

BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY
AND BRING BACK OUR POLICE!
Donald J. Trump



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bearister said:

He can put those awards in the same trophy case with all those golf Club Championship trophies he "won."


Hahaha
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I'm not theorizing. They confessed, some brought in by their law-abiding parents.

In the days before wide use of DNA evidence, confessions, and stupid youthful bragging about the crimes they committed, are just two examples of evidence that convicted the crew.

Guilty insane Liberals let them out early, and handed them $41 Million. Utter insanity.

Matias Reyes confessing to assault and rape, backed by DNA evidence, doesn't exonerste the other five assailants.

FTR, one alleged assailant was let off, and the five served 5 to 13 years in prison for a variety of offenses - assault, attempted murder, rape, etc. It seems to me they might have gotten off light.
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movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.
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Justice or mercy? Looks like there's a path available for both.
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movielover said:

I'm not theorizing. They confessed, some brought in by their law-abiding parents.

In the days before wide use of DNA evidence, confessions, and stupid youthful bragging about the crimes they committed, are just two examples of evidence that convicted the crew.

Guilty insane Liberals let them out early, and handed them $41 Million. Utter insanity.

Matias Reyes confessing to assault and rape, backed by DNA evidence, doesn't exonerste the other five assailants.

FTR, one alleged assailant was let off, and the five served 5 to 13 years in prison for a variety of offenses - assault, attempted murder, rape, etc. It seems to me they might have gotten off light.


Clearly you didn't watch the documentary film.
No lawyers present with children.
Scare tactics.
Coerced confessions.

The kids didn't know what they were saying.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.


Only to the point that it apparently proves he is not racist - he only "wants to hate" these innocent 14 year olds who were wrongfully accused.
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bear2034 said:


Justice or mercy? Looks like there's a path available for both.


Is that for flocking real??
It's laughable.

I expect a bunch of Mexicans are booking travel to their favorite destinations. "Don't worry ", they'll say. "I'll manage the return portion on my own. Just like I did the first time."

Trump should advertise this as economic stimulus.

This on the same day they announce open transit from all white South Africans.
No, he's not racist.
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Trump is so generous and nice to the aliens!
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concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.


Only to the point that it apparently proves he is not racist - he only "wants to hate" these innocent 14 year olds who were wrongfully accused.


What innocent 14 year olds does Trump want to hate that were wrongfully accused?
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concordtom said:


I expect a bunch of Mexicans are booking travel to their favorite destinations. "Don't worry ", they'll say. "I'll manage the return portion on my own. Just like I did the first time."
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concordtom said:

movielover said:

I'm not theorizing. They confessed, some brought in by their law-abiding parents.

In the days before wide use of DNA evidence, confessions, and stupid youthful bragging about the crimes they committed, are just two examples of evidence that convicted the crew.

Guilty insane Liberals let them out early, and handed them $41 Million. Utter insanity.

Matias Reyes confessing to assault and rape, backed by DNA evidence, doesn't exonerste the other five assailants.

FTR, one alleged assailant was let off, and the five served 5 to 13 years in prison for a variety of offenses - assault, attempted murder, rape, etc. It seems to me they might have gotten off light.


Clearly you didn't watch the documentary film.
No lawyers present with children.
Scare tactics.
Coerced confessions.

The kids didn't know what they were saying.


The Progressives twisted themselves into knots and manipulated the system to free violent felons.

(1) "Not only were the police prohibited from interviewing Reyes or giving him a polygraph, but [D.A.] Morgenthau ordered other inmates not to talk to any police investigators about their conversations with Reyes. First the D.A. slimed the cops, then he ran interference for a rapist-murderer."

(2) "New York journalist Nicholas Stix reports that one inmate says Reyes told him he heard the jogger's screams and raped her only after the "Central Park Five" had finished with her."

(3) "For example, one boy picked up in the park told the cops -- without prompting -- "I know who did the murder. I know who did the murder. I know where he lives and I'll tell you his name." He named one of the five convicted of the attack on the jogger, Antron McCray. (The night of the attack, no one expected the jogger to live.)

(4) "Of more than three dozen hoodlums brought in for questioning, only 10 were charged with any crimes, and only five of those were charged with raping the jogger. All those charged with the jogger's rape gave detailed, corroborated, videotaped confessions, after full Miranda warnings, four of the five in the presence of an adult relative."

(5) "All five confessed to assisting the attack on the jogger, but none to raping her themselves. That's enough for a rape conviction."

(6) "In Antron McCray's 34-minute videotaped statement, for example, he said:

"Everybody started hitting her and stuff. She was on the ground, everybody stompin' and everything. ... I grabbed one arm, some other kid grabbed one arm and we grabbed her legs and stuff. Then we all took turns getting on her, getting on top of her. ... I just like, my ***** wasn't in her. I didn't do nothing to her ... I was just doing it so everybody ... Everybody would just like, would know I did it." "

(7) "Melody Jackson, whose brother was friends with defendant Kharey Wise, testified -- reluctantly -- that she talked to Wise by phone when he was at Rikers Island and that he told her that he didn't rape the jogger, he "only held her legs down while Kevin (Richardson) f--ked her." She originally volunteered this information to the police thinking it would be helpful to Wise."

(8) "Other witnesses provided various corroborating details to the police, such as one who said Kevin Richardson told him, "We just raped somebody," and another who heard Raymond Santana and another boy laughing about how "we made a woman bleed."

(9) "When Raymond Santana was being driven to the precinct the night of the wilding, he blurted out: "I had nothing to do with the rape. All I did was feel the woman's tits." Wait! Who said anything about rape? The cops had not asked him about any rape."

(10) "Contrary to media reports, there was hair, blood or semen on all five of the defendants."

(11) "In the opposite of a rush to judgment, two multi-ethnic juries deliberated for 10 days and 11 days, respectively, before convicting the five defendants of rape or sexual abuse -- as well as the other assaults that night, mysteriously vacated by Justice Tejada -- and acquitting all but one on the most serious charge, attempted murder."

https://www.caledonianrecord.com/orleans_county_record/opinion/ann-coulter-what-you-wont-read-in-the-papers-about-the-central-park-five/article_0904854c-c890-530c-8176-f4a71a5b3123.html
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oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.


Only to the point that it apparently proves he is not racist - he only "wants to hate" these innocent 14 year olds who were wrongfully accused.


What innocent 14 year olds does Trump want to hate that were wrongfully accused?

Central Park Five.
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concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.


Only to the point that it apparently proves he is not racist - he only "wants to hate" these innocent 14 year olds who were wrongfully accused.


What innocent 14 year olds does Trump want to hate that were wrongfully accused?

Central Park Five.


They clearly aren't innocent even though you appear to really want them to be.
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oski003 said:

concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

The Central Park Five confessed, and loads of evidence corroborated their confessions to a brutal, ghastly attack and rape(s).

In that sick night of "wilding", it was always assumed there were more than five attackers / rapists. A new criminal doesn't exonerate the five violent felons, nor do demented virtue-signaling Democrats who want to heap Millions on these violent convicted felons.

Donald Trump has had friendships with prominent black athletes, entertainers, and politicians going back five or more decades; and he lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years. (A Latino friend claimed he dated her in high school.)
Donald Trump lived with a gorgeous black woman from Walnut Creek for years? That's… umm… interesting.


Only to the point that it apparently proves he is not racist - he only "wants to hate" these innocent 14 year olds who were wrongfully accused.


What innocent 14 year olds does Trump want to hate that were wrongfully accused?

Central Park Five.


They clearly aren't innocent even though you appear to really want them to be.



(8) "Other witnesses provided various corroborating details to the police, such as one who said Kevin Richardson told him, "We just raped somebody," and another who heard Raymond Santana and another boy laughing about how "we made a woman bleed."
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movielover said:

Boom! Winning#
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Can't be real cuz eob says it first pass the logic test
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It doesn't (stupid autocorrect)
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concordtom said:

1. You could research the 1970's lawsuit against he and his father for not renting to blacks.

https://apnews.com/events-united-states-presidential-election-6349efef6986435b95411dc2e8f8f2c4

2. You could research his full page opinion add about how he wanted to give the death penalty to the Central Park Five, young (not old) black teens who were wrongfully accused, later proven innocent.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6131533-trumpdeathpenaltyad05011989/

3. You could look into his statements about a judge who he claimed would not rule fairly for him because his last name was Latino.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/27/politics/judge-curiel-trump-border-wall

4. You could listen to his endless language on the campaign trail that is just racially ugly. And if you haven't heard him speak racially ugly then I assume you are a racist as well, because sensitive people understand it immediately when we hear it.
Go to YouTube and search for it. You can find it.

But, whatever… you're going to see things as you see them.
And I know you are a decent fellow. So, I wish you a nice night!!!

That was 4. There a dozens more. But you asked for one, I gave you four.



CT is so blinded by hate that he actually believes these are examples of racism.


It's not his fault. His big mistake is dutifully watching the propaganda (news) for so long and believing what they say.


Everybody go watch "news" and objectively evaluate how much emotion is mixed into everything they are selling you….
 
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