tequila4kapp said:
It appears to me from the video the key moments from the point where she started driving forward to the point where a shot was fired was about 1 second, definitely not more than 2 seconds. The officer didn't draw his weapon until after she started forward. He had a split second to respond and didn't know if she was going to proceed straight at him, veer left or veer right. The word "reasonable" in the guideline you quoted is the operative word.
oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
tequila4kapp said:
The fact she did not fully impede all traffic does not mean she was not intending to and actually impeding ICE operations.
I withdrew an earlier comment saying I'd like to see additional information. I was thinking about a) how her vehicle got to that position; b) what the shooting officer was doing before she moved forward and why he was wherever he was. I would still like to get that info; it is very important, in part because it goes to this impeding question.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
DiabloWags said:tequila4kapp said:
It appears to me from the video the key moments from the point where she started driving forward to the point where a shot was fired was about 1 second, definitely not more than 2 seconds. The officer didn't draw his weapon until after she started forward. He had a split second to respond and didn't know if she was going to proceed straight at him, veer left or veer right. The word "reasonable" in the guideline you quoted is the operative word.
Why was the officer positioned standing in front of the vehicle in the first place?
That's not part of their training. ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a "tactical L" 90-degree angle to prevent injury or crossfire.
Sure appears as though the officers were not following their training.
And they wound up "escalating":a situation to the point of being fatal due to not following PROTOCOL.
Policy on the Use of Force
DiabloWags said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
Yup, this is pretty obvious to most.
But maybe not all.
lol

bearister said:
*Trump's DOJ will never file charges and if it did and the officer was convicted, Trump would pardon him.
bearister said:
Some of the comments in this thread, statements made by the POTUS and some of the sentiments expressed in the national discourse couldn't underscore this more emphatically:
America has become a very emotionally dark place for the sane. A pall has been cast.

oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
There is a ton of action going on. The car is clearly impeding ice operations and traffic by parking perpendicular in the middle of the street. Sure, cars CAN go around it by driving in the icy area near the sidewalk. However, the impeding vehicle is causing chaos. This isn't a quiet street.
NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:BearlySane88 said:
For what exactly? The more angles I see, the shoot was justified.
It shouldn't have happened and this is a terrible look. But legally it looks justified
wrongful death suits for one, but I'm not an attorney. Maybe they can chime in.
A successful wrongful death suit unfortunately encourages more dangerous behavior by rioting nutjobs. Driving your car at a law enforcement officer pointing a gun at you is the cause of getting shot by that officer. I still think the officer should be fired. We need folks that use better judgment when facing rioting nutjobs.
sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
There is a ton of action going on. The car is clearly impeding ice operations and traffic by parking perpendicular in the middle of the street. Sure, cars CAN go around it by driving in the icy area near the sidewalk. However, the impeding vehicle is causing chaos. This isn't a quiet street.
Let's watch the video again:NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
No one has to drive in "the icy area near the sidewalk." It's literally just the other lane on a two-late street. Let's be honest.
Yes, some cars are in the road. Not clear why they are there, but let's assume they are protestors and/or people trying to record ICE activity. I would say that if the ICE officers wanted this woman's car to clear the road, they should have first asked her to do so before escalating to a demand that she get out of her car and (probably) detaining her. To me, the fact that she had already waved one of them through and appears to be trying to pull out of her spot (she has to move forward to do this because of the car behind her) indicates that she was probably already told to move and is trying to comply. I don't know that for certain, but it seems like the most likely explanation to me. Someone who is trying to obstruct ICE at all costs would not have been waving one of their vehicles through.
Then some of these guys run up on her car, try to open her door and force her out (I don't understand why they need to do this), and another approaches from the other side with a gun. She freaks out and tries to leave as quickly as possible (her likely original intent). The one with a gun opens fire after incorrectly approaching her vehicle from the front.
bearister said:
*Trump's DOJ will never file charges and if it did and the officer was convicted, Trump would pardon him.
oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:oski003 said:sycasey said:tequila4kapp said:
She WAS blocking the road otherwise she would not have been able to wave people around. At that point the LEO is legally justified in approaching the vehicle and ordering her out. She is allegedly breaking federal law by impeding ICE operations. The arguments related to her waving people around would be relevant at her trial.
I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that the ICE vehicle is "impeded" when one of them just drove past. They chose to get out of the truck and engage with her.NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
By your logic, if a car is perpendicular in the middle of the 405 freeway, it isn't impeding traffic. After all, cars can still go by either side of it.
A residential street where people are regularly pulling in and out of driveways is not a freeway.
There is a ton of action going on. The car is clearly impeding ice operations and traffic by parking perpendicular in the middle of the street. Sure, cars CAN go around it by driving in the icy area near the sidewalk. However, the impeding vehicle is causing chaos. This isn't a quiet street.
Let's watch the video again:NEW: Here is an eyewitness video of the shooting, posted by Daniel Suitor on Bsky. While it doesn't capture the actual moment itself (the shooting is blocked by the car), @TriciaOhio's claim below of an attempt to run down an officer already appears to be demonstrably false. https://t.co/AS6z11IyBG pic.twitter.com/HuWzsoHAcI
— Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) January 7, 2026
No one has to drive in "the icy area near the sidewalk." It's literally just the other lane on a two-late street. Let's be honest.
Yes, some cars are in the road. Not clear why they are there, but let's assume they are protestors and/or people trying to record ICE activity. I would say that if the ICE officers wanted this woman's car to clear the road, they should have first asked her to do so before escalating to a demand that she get out of her car and (probably) detaining her. To me, the fact that she had already waved one of them through and appears to be trying to pull out of her spot (she has to move forward to do this because of the car behind her) indicates that she was probably already told to move and is trying to comply. I don't know that for certain, but it seems like the most likely explanation to me. Someone who is trying to obstruct ICE at all costs would not have been waving one of their vehicles through.
Then some of these guys run up on her car, try to open her door and force her out (I don't understand why they need to do this), and another approaches from the other side with a gun. She freaks out and tries to leave as quickly as possible (her likely original intent). The one with a gun opens fire after incorrectly approaching her vehicle from the front.
You are basing your conclusions off of 8 seconds of video. It is a two lane street. She is clearly blocking one of the lanes. The area outside of these two lanes is icy and has snow. The officer behind the car is talking to the driver's angry girlfriend who is calling at the ICE agents to get out of the neighborhood. It is a messed up situation. ICE reported that she had been blocking them multiple times.
sycasey said:
Then some of these guys run up on her car, try to open her door and force her out (I don't understand why they need to do this), and another approaches from the other side with a gun. She freaks out and tries to leave as quickly as possible (her likely original intent). The one with a gun opens fire after incorrectly approaching her vehicle from the front.
tequila4kapp said:sycasey said:
Then some of these guys run up on her car, try to open her door and force her out (I don't understand why they need to do this), and another approaches from the other side with a gun. She freaks out and tries to leave as quickly as possible (her likely original intent). The one with a gun opens fire after incorrectly approaching her vehicle from the front.
A few points of order.
- Nobody "ran" up on her car.
- They are allowed to forcibly remove her from the car because she did not comply with their order to do so.
- They are LEO...all of them 'approached with (holstered) guns'. The shooter's gun was 100% holstered up to the moment she starting driving.
- I don't think it is clear from the video that the shooting officer approached her car from the front. There is new video on CNN from a new angle - facing the SUV. The officer definitely moves to the driver's left across the front of the SUV.
FWIW the same CNN segment with the new video also reports that her car had been position on the road in that location for 3 minutes before this incident occurred. If true...yeah, nobody 'parks' perpendicular like that on a road...she's there to impede ICE.
tequila4kapp said:sycasey said:
Then some of these guys run up on her car, try to open her door and force her out (I don't understand why they need to do this), and another approaches from the other side with a gun. She freaks out and tries to leave as quickly as possible (her likely original intent). The one with a gun opens fire after incorrectly approaching her vehicle from the front.
A few points of order.
- Nobody "ran" up on her car.
- They are allowed to forcibly remove her from the car because she did not comply with their order to do so.
- They are LEO...all of them 'approached with (holstered) guns'. The shooter's gun was 100% holstered up to the moment she starting driving.
- I don't think it is clear from the video that the shooting officer approached her car from the front. There is new video on CNN from a new angle - facing the SUV. The officer definitely moves to the driver's left across the front of the SUV.
FWIW the same CNN segment with the new video also reports that her car had been position on the road in that location for 3 minutes before this incident occurred. If true...yeah, nobody 'parks' perpendicular like that on a road...she's there to impede ICE.
oski003 said:
FYI, the person Bearister linked, Adam Cochran, alleges that ICE is not allowed to stop anybody for any reason unless they are suspected of being an illegal immigrant. He states that ICE was not allowed to approach her at all.

PAC-10-BEAR said:
She was a single mother spending her time obstructing law enforcement.
She made the terrible mistake of doing it with the use of a vehicle.

DiabloWags said:PAC-10-BEAR said:
She was a single mother spending her time obstructing law enforcement.
She made the terrible mistake of doing it with the use of a vehicle.
Kind of like your patriot hero Ashli Babbit
Shot by a Capitol Police officer while breaching a barricaded doorway
The Left as a whole have gotten far too comfortable.
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) January 8, 2026
For years, they have been allowed to riot in the streets, assault officers, loot businesses, etc.
They have been conditioned to believe that they are allowed to do whatever they want and that the law doesn’t apply to them.