Neil McEvoy AM on Twitter: "Doctor demonstrating breathing exercises to stop lungs getting worse, if suffering from #COVID19 plz RT. https://t.co/67XBPyNi1c" / Twitter

I stumbled across an interesting blog post from NASA using satellite data to show how much vehicle emissions have been reduced in California since the lockdown was imposed. The first image (upper left) was from early March and the last one (lower right) is from late March. Generally emissions are greatly reduced. Even Los Angeles looks better.

https://t.co/vdQtxweay9?amp=1

Has a decision been made that these places are more cost efficient than compiling a nuclear arsenal and that the homeland casualties are acceptable collateral damage?

Wuhan Is Returning to Life. So Are Its Disputed Wet Markets


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/wuhan-is-returning-to-life-so-are-its-disputed-wet-markets
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/wuhan-is-returning-to-life-so-are-its-disputed-wet-markets


Coronavirus: 100 days that changed the world


https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-100-days-that-changed-the-world?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

...and fresh in from the Someone in Our Company is a Smart Mother F'er Department:

bearister said:

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...and fresh in from the Someone in Our Company is a Smart Mother F'er Department:

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Insurance company:

"This was really more of an outbreak or epidemic than a pandemic. Claim denied."

COVID-19: On average, only 6% of actual infections detected worldwide


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.amp

bearister said:

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COVID-19: On average, only 6% of actual infections detected worldwide


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.amp

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Which is why I think the failure to develop a test to see if you have already had the disease and are immune is the third biggest failure of the collective governments around the world.

The first is failing to start producing and stockpiling medical supplies in January. The second is instituting earlier lockdown protocol.

That's terrifying. Is this like Shingles?

Unit2Sucks said:

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That's terrifying. Is this like Shingles?

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The test is not very accurate. I read 20% of tests of incorrect.

Stop waiting for Putin': Russian president takes backseat in crisis


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/vladimir-putin-takes-backseat-in-russia-tackling-of-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The stock market continues to rise even as the true ripples on the economy have not really been felt.

I posted in another article that my truck is in the shop right now at a Toyota dealership. I got word today that the dealership decided to layoff all non-essential staff a few days ago. The means salesmen, finance people, and service advisors among others. The only staff kept are some managers, a customer relations person, the parts department, and the mechanics.

I read that on the manufacturing side auto makers are also slashing tens of thousands of jobs as the plants are expected to sit idle for a month if not more. One article says layoffs of 360,000 people at dealerships alone across the US. In California alone around 24,000 salespeople will lose their jobs.

That is just one career in one industry. I feel very lucky that my job is considered essential (for now) and I can do it from home. Companies are definitely going to use this opportunity to downsize, reset, and alter workflows. For example, with car buying I think more companies might go with Tesla's model of a showroom and only a few salespeople with cars ordered online on demand.

People like to use the word "disrupter" to describe business like Uber and AirBnB. COVID-19 is a REAL disrupter. It is going to change EVERYTHING.

This is a good example of where the private markets are way ahead of the public markets. From what I'm seeing, public equities are overvalued and have not taken into account the negative impacts of COVID. They are essentially priced to perfection and assume the stimulus is going to eliminate COVID disruption.

I don't buy it.

bearister said:

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I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

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Same German doctor, Professor Hendrik Streeck, as above:

Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY



https://mol.im/a/8206831


Stanford researchers are looking into the possibility that coronavirus first hit California undetected last year, much earlier than anyone realized, and was only seen at that time as a particularly nasty and early flu season.

As a result, the theory says, many Californians have already unknowingly been exposed to the coronavirus and have developed immunity to it.

... The Stanford researchers tested 3,200 volunteers at three testing sites in the Bay Area. They are expected to publish the conclusions of their study in several weeks.

https://abc7news.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

bearister said:

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bearister said:

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I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

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Same German doctor, Professor Hendrik Streeck, as above:

Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY



https://mol.im/a/8206831


Stanford researchers are looking into the possibility that coronavirus first hit California undetected last year, much earlier than anyone realized, and was only seen at that time as a particularly nasty and early flu season.

As a result, the theory says, many Californians have already unknowingly been exposed to the coronavirus and have developed immunity to it.

... The Stanford researchers tested 3,200 volunteers at three testing sites in the Bay Area. They are expected to publish the conclusions of their study in several weeks.

https://abc7news.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

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California had a really bad flu season last fall and winter. At work it completely blew through many of our employees and their families in a way we rarely see. Unlike COVID-19, though, no one died despite our demographics skewing older. That said, quite a few people one might characterize as workaholics who rarely take sick days missed a week or more of work with nausea, dry cough, and fever. It was also very contagious. Pretty much everyone in the household of a person who had it caught it. A few of those people had also been traveling back and forth to Washington State on business during that period. It was probably just a bad flu season and has nothing to do with COVID-19 but it is worth studying further to be sure.

The part I wonder a lot more about is the the overall lack of positives in the large Chinese population here. One nearby city is over 60% Asian - mostly Chinese - and they travel back and forth to China frequently. I figured that my area would be Ground Zero for the virus. Instead, cases seem to be less than average on a per capita basis - on the order of less than 30 per 100K population. For comparison LA in general is about 3x that at 90 per 100K. Perhaps that is because those people already own and use masks (I usually see at least one person at the grocery store wearing a mask even in better times) but it is surprising to me how low the rate is in the Asian communities which one might think would have been most at risk for undetected community spread given the origin in China. I have also mentioned here that it seems unlikely that large cities in China were not similarly impacted as NYC was - with the virus spreading undetected for a month or more before China started its war on COVID-19. I am really curious to see what these researchers found.

I am also curious about this statement from Professor Gunther Hartmann, a member of the study:

"The 15 per cent is not that far from the 60 per cent we need for herd immunity."

It seems pretty far off to me. 4x as many people would need to be infected. However, I am not an epidemiologist.

Edit: I read that British Columbia with its large Chinese population also has rates about 3x less than the rest of Canada whether that was because of more awareness of what was happening in Asia, larger adoption of masks, or something else. (Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3078875/coronavirus-british-columbia-winning-covid-19-fight)

Question of the day: Would Judge Reinhold have issues with social distancing?

bearister said:

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Question of the day: Would Judge Reinhold have issues with social distancing?

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Yes, he would.

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Without testing on a national basis we are screwed. We need to know who has COVID 19, who doesn't, and who has antibodies? Reopening the country without it means you will have outbreaks again and will cost people their lives. With COVID 19 at this point, you have to make a decision, people or the economy? I have seen first hand how devastating this virus is. Less than 1% of the US population has been tested.

"Republicans are increasingly concerned not only about President Trump's daily briefings but also his broader plan to ease the nation out of the virus crisis and back to work. This concern is acute and spreading.

Why it matters: Trump can easily address the briefing worries by doing fewer, but the lackluster bounce-back planning is what worries Republicans most.
Some think he has only weeks to figure it out. The consequences of failure would be a November defeat, some warn."* Axios

*Note how the Republicans are not concerned with the loss of human lives as a consequence of failure but only with the loss of the White House. At least they are honest about it.

With regard to BearNIt's post, tRump is probably suppressing mass testing until his Crime Family can improve its financial position in the companies that make the testing kits.



Top Trump ally sounds 2020 election alarm over coronavirus response - Axios


https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-2020-election-coronavirus-08470b94-1cf3-4af6-840a-c9d56528c974.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


The end of the coronavirus lockdown won't be like flipping a switch - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-slow-recovery-econony-deaths-27e8d258-754e-4883-bebe-a2e95564e3b6.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

Unit2Sucks said:

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This is a good example of where the private markets are way ahead of the public markets. From what I'm seeing, public equities are overvalued and have not taken into account the negative impacts of COVID. They are essentially priced to perfection and assume the stimulus is going to eliminate COVID disruption.

I don't buy it.

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Short.

BearNIt said:

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Without testing on a national basis we are screwed. We need to know who has COVID 19, who doesn't, and who has antibodies? Reopening the country without it means you will have outbreaks again and will cost people their lives. With COVID 19 at this point, you have to make a decision, people or the economy? I have seen first hand how devastating this virus is. Less than 1% of the US population has been tested.

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The choice isn't people or the economy. The medium to long term impact on the economy is dependent on getting through the pandemic as quickly as possible. Opening the economy up will have extremely short term benefits that will be wiped out as outbreaks continue. If we keep everything shut down, we can hit the peak everywhere, have time to work out testing, maybe be on the cusp of a treatment, learn what techniques help stop the spread the best. If we come out too early and hit another outbreak it will be a disaster for the economy.

Also we should be able to start a GRADUAL opening soon. For instance, pro-sports should be able to continue in the coming months as a television only phenomena with consistent testing of players and officials. All this depends on actually having a plan not just stating "All open for business!!!"

dimitrig said:

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bearister said:

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bearister said:

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I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

---

Same German doctor, Professor Hendrik Streeck, as above:

Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY



https://mol.im/a/8206831


Stanford researchers are looking into the possibility that coronavirus first hit California undetected last year, much earlier than anyone realized, and was only seen at that time as a particularly nasty and early flu season.

As a result, the theory says, many Californians have already unknowingly been exposed to the coronavirus and have developed immunity to it.

... The Stanford researchers tested 3,200 volunteers at three testing sites in the Bay Area. They are expected to publish the conclusions of their study in several weeks.

https://abc7news.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

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California had a really bad flu season last fall and winter. At work it completely blew through many of our employees and their families in a way we rarely see. Unlike COVID-19, though, no one died despite our demographics skewing older. That said, quite a few people one might characterize as workaholics who rarely take sick days missed a week or more of work with nausea, dry cough, and fever. It was also very contagious. Pretty much everyone in the household of a person who had it caught it. A few of those people had also been traveling back and forth to Washington State on business during that period. It was probably just a bad flu season and has nothing to do with COVID-19 but it is worth studying further to be sure.

The part I wonder a lot more about is the the overall lack of positives in the large Chinese population here. One nearby city is over 60% Asian - mostly Chinese - and they travel back and forth to China frequently. I figured that my area would be Ground Zero for the virus. Instead, cases seem to be less than average on a per capita basis - on the order of less than 30 per 100K population. For comparison LA in general is about 3x that at 90 per 100K. Perhaps that is because those people already own and use masks (I usually see at least one person at the grocery store wearing a mask even in better times) but it is surprising to me how low the rate is in the Asian communities which one might think would have been most at risk for undetected community spread given the origin in China. I have also mentioned here that it seems unlikely that large cities in China were not similarly impacted as NYC was - with the virus spreading undetected for a month or more before China started its war on COVID-19. I am really curious to see what these researchers found.

I am also curious about this statement from Professor Gunther Hartmann, a member of the study:

"The 15 per cent is not that far from the 60 per cent we need for herd immunity."

It seems pretty far off to me. 4x as many people would need to be infected. However, I am not an epidemiologist.

Edit: I read that British Columbia with its large Chinese population also has rates about 3x less than the rest of Canada whether that was because of more awareness of what was happening in Asia, larger adoption of masks, or something else. (Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3078875/coronavirus-british-columbia-winning-covid-19-fight)

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China is a huge country and only one part was significantly impacted. That part is not a location that has a lot of travel to our areas nor do many Chinese people who live here come from that area. Beijing, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Guangdong, Hunan, Sichuan all have a total of deaths in single digits and those are where people here come from. Almost all of their deaths were in Hubei. The bulk of British Columbia's Chinese population is from Hong Kong, 1000 miles away from Wu Han. It would be like worrying about people from Oregon because of the virus' impact on New York. The precautions against travel to China were necessary, but there was never a serious threat from the American Chinese community.

My neighbors are Chinese and were in China in late January. They came back after re-entry was limited to 5 airports (luckily for them SFO being one). They self quarantined. In retrospect, they are at a greater risk in the Bay Area than anywhere they were in China.

OaktownBear said:

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The choice isn't people or the economy. The medium to long term impact on the economy is dependent on getting through the pandemic as quickly as possible. Opening the economy up will have extremely short term benefits that will be wiped out as outbreaks continue. If we keep everything shut down, we can hit the peak everywhere, have time to work out testing, maybe be on the cusp of a treatment, learn what techniques help stop the spread the best. If we come out too early and hit another outbreak it will be a disaster for the economy.

Also we should be able to start a GRADUAL opening soon. For instance, pro-sports should be able to continue in the coming months as a television only phenomena with consistent testing of players and officials. All this depends on actually having a plan not just stating "All open for business!!!"

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With Trump in charge, you pretty much know what's going to happen right? (bolded above for the MAGAstani)

OaktownBear said:

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China is a huge country and only one part was significantly impacted. That part is not a location that has a lot of travel to our areas nor do many Chinese people who live here come from that area. Beijing, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Guangdong, Hunan, Sichuan all have a total of deaths in single digits and those are where people here come from. Almost all of their deaths were in Hubei. The bulk of British Columbia's Chinese population is from Hong Kong, 1000 miles away from Wu Han. It would be like worrying about people from Oregon because of the virus' impact on New York. The precautions against travel to China were necessary, but there was never a serious threat from the American Chinese community.

My neighbors are Chinese and were in China in late January. They came back after re-entry was limited to 5 airports (luckily for them SFO being one). They self quarantined. In retrospect, they are at a greater risk in the Bay Area than anywhere they were in China.

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Just because China is big doesn't mean that COVID-19 could not quickly spread everywhere. The US is big, too, and yet it is even in our rural states and communities to an extent that densely populated places in China like Hong Kong never experienced.

Regardless, the fact remains that the heavily Asian communities here in the US and Canada seem to have weathered this better than average when compared to nearby cities. Koreatown, Arcadia, Monterey Park, San Gabriel are all doing better than Van Nuys, Inglewood, Woodland Hills, even Palmdale. Awareness (having lived through SARS) is probably a big part of it, but it would not surprise me if there is already some level of immunity in those communities.

BTW, I have some Korean colleagues who told me that everyone they know who was able to go to Korea has gone to wait this out there.

COVID antibody test in German town shows 15 percent infection rate | Spectator USA


https://spectator.us/covid-antibody-test-german-town-shows-15-percent-infection-rate/


Sewage shows hundreds more people have COVID-19, study says | Miami Herald


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241908771.html

OaktownBear said:

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Without testing on a national basis we are screwed. We need to know who has COVID 19, who doesn't, and who has antibodies? Reopening the country without it means you will have outbreaks again and will cost people their lives. With COVID 19 at this point, you have to make a decision, people or the economy? I have seen first hand how devastating this virus is. Less than 1% of the US population has been tested.

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The choice isn't people or the economy. The medium to long term impact on the economy is dependent on getting through the pandemic as quickly as possible. Opening the economy up will have extremely short term benefits that will be wiped out as outbreaks continue. If we keep everything shut down, we can hit the peak everywhere, have time to work out testing, maybe be on the cusp of a treatment, learn what techniques help stop the spread the best. If we come out too early and hit another outbreak it will be a disaster for the economy.

Also we should be able to start a GRADUAL opening soon. For instance, pro-sports should be able to continue in the coming months as a television only phenomena with consistent testing of players and officials. All this depends on actually having a plan not just stating "All open for business!!!"

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The immediate choice given who is leading the response to this pandemic (The Idiot in Chief) will be presented with a choice that less nuanced than your response, That choice was made easy for him to wrap his warped mind around is the choice of people or the economy. Don't forget that one of the reasons that he chose to back the stay at home guidance was because he was told that he would own the deaths of Americans as the pandemic spread through the US if he did not. It was then that he reluctantly supported the guidance. I would imagine that it will be sometime before people go to sporting events given how the virus is transmitted and the precautions that the different leagues will have to institute and that is why as you correctly point out the games will be televised only.

The opening of the economy further on down the line will have to be gradual just in case we have another outbreak. We will need the flexibility of a gradual reopening to make adjustments in how we approach getting the economy back on track as we could have additional peaks of infection because there are some states that have been slow to or refused to institute the stay at home guidance. Reopening the economy and then having to reclose the economy would further delay economic recovery and could cause a deeper recession.

dimitrig said:

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OaktownBear said:

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China is a huge country and only one part was significantly impacted. That part is not a location that has a lot of travel to our areas nor do many Chinese people who live here come from that area. Beijing, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Guangdong, Hunan, Sichuan all have a total of deaths in single digits and those are where people here come from. Almost all of their deaths were in Hubei. The bulk of British Columbia's Chinese population is from Hong Kong, 1000 miles away from Wu Han. It would be like worrying about people from Oregon because of the virus' impact on New York. The precautions against travel to China were necessary, but there was never a serious threat from the American Chinese community.

My neighbors are Chinese and were in China in late January. They came back after re-entry was limited to 5 airports (luckily for them SFO being one). They self quarantined. In retrospect, they are at a greater risk in the Bay Area than anywhere they were in China.

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Just because China is big doesn't mean that COVID-19 could not quickly spread everywhere. The US is big, too, and yet it is even in our rural states and communities to an extent that densely populated places in China like Hong Kong never experienced.

Regardless, the fact remains that the heavily Asian communities here in the US and Canada seem to have weathered this better than average when compared to nearby cities. Koreatown, Arcadia, Monterey Park, San Gabriel are all doing better than Van Nuys, Inglewood, Woodland Hills, even Palmdale. Awareness (having lived through SARS) is probably a big part of it, but it would not surprise me if there is already some level of immunity in those communities.

BTW, I have some Korean colleagues who told me that everyone they know who was able to go to Korea has gone to wait this out there.

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The part I wonder a lot more about is the the overall lack of positives in the large Chinese population here. One nearby city is over 60% Asian - mostly Chinese - and they travel back and forth to China frequently. I figured that my area would be Ground Zero for the virus.

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If they aren't traveling to Wuhan, which they aren't because there aren't close ties to Wuhan, why would you expect your area to be Ground Zero? The areas the Chinese in your community are connected to were barely hit by the virus. And why would you think British Columbia would be hit when their Chinese community is mostly from Hong Kong which was barely touched by the virus?

Milan, for instance, does a lot of business with Wuhan. There was good reason to believe that would be a problem not because of any Chinese community there but because there is travel back and forth. There was no reason to think the same of California with few ties to Wuhan. Again, if you had a community of people from Oregon who travel all the time to Oregon, you wouldn't be concerned. If you had a community of people from New York, you would be concerned. There's no difference. Bottom line, you thought your area would be ground zero because you weren't distinguishing Wuhan from the rest of China.

This is what it looks like when you don't aggressively lockdown. I don't believe we have done anything to prevent this from happening if we were to open back up for business in the near-term. If we are able to do what S. Korea did, that could be a different story, but Trump has made it clear that isn't in the cards on a nationwide basis.

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The part I wonder a lot more about is the the overall lack of positives in the large Chinese population here. One nearby city is over 60% Asian - mostly Chinese - and they travel back and forth to China frequently. I figured that my area would be Ground Zero for the virus.

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If they aren't traveling to Wuhan, which they aren't because there aren't close ties to Wuhan, why would you expect your area to be Ground Zero? The areas the Chinese in your community are connected to were barely hit by the virus. And why would you think British Columbia would be hit when their Chinese community is mostly from Hong Kong which was barely touched by the virus?

Milan, for instance, does a lot of business with Wuhan. There was good reason to believe that would be a problem not because of any Chinese community there but because there is travel back and forth. There was no reason to think the same of California with few ties to Wuhan. Again, if you had a community of people from Oregon who travel all the time to Oregon, you wouldn't be concerned. If you had a community of people from New York, you would be concerned. There's no difference. Bottom line, you thought your area would be ground zero because you weren't distinguishing Wuhan from the rest of China.

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I do not think it is that important to distinguish Wuhan from the rest of China because millions of people left Wuhan before the quarantine and spread throughout China and the world:

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/where-did-they-go-millions-left-wuhan-quarantine

"The cities outside Hubei province that were top destinations for trips from Wuhan between Jan. 10 and Jan. 24 were Chongqing, a municipality next to Hubei province, Beijing and Shanghai."

"The top 10 global destinations for travelers from high-risk Chinese cities around Lunar New Year, according to their analysis, were Thailand, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, the United States, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam and Australia."

Infections could be underreported by a factor of x5 or x10 or who knows. There's no way to know. Which could be the difference between a death rate of 0.2% and 5%.

I don't see how, as the above graph states, that the reported deaths may be underreported. If anything, it'd be overreported, it seems to me.