Gwynnie is about to market a surgical mask with a peculiar scent. I wonder if there is a GoFundMe to help Gwynnie and her stressed out disciples during this very trying time for them?

Gwyneth Paltrow gets some fresh air after talking sexual frustration



https://mol.im/a/8181643

Found this link interesting. It has some maps which show which counties and demographics are social distancing more. The findings say:

1. Cities are social distancing more than the rural areas.
2. Counties with younger people are distancing more than retirees (so when Andrew Cuomo complains about those young-ins, maybe he should be focusing on his slow half-baked response instead!)
3. There are two ways to look at this, the areas more susceptible to pandemic are taking this more seriously than the areas that are not, even if they are not the 'high risk' population. (And I don't mean this to get political) there is a strong split between conservative and liberal places.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA/qmypmkmwpra/index.html

Uh oh. S is getting real now.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/netflixs-tiger-king-star-joe-21803242

For those who don't know, Dr. Drew hosted Loveline starting in 1983. He was a trusted doctor* for people of many generations. So for him being a hack about this is especially frustrating. He bills himself as nonpartisan and thus more legitimate.

(*He's an addiction doctor, one whose had issues with his Celebrity Rehab show. And I believe he lost his CNN HN show when he commented on her medical condition during the 2016 election.)

I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

okaydo said:

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For those who don't know, Dr. Drew hosted Loveline starting in 1983. He was a trusted doctor* for people of many generations. So for him being a hack about this is especially frustrating. He bills himself as nonpartisan and thus more legitimate.

(*He's an addiction doctor, one whose had issues with his Celebrity Rehab show. And I believe he lost his CNN HN show when he commented on her medical condition during the 2016 election.)

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When I moved to Pasadena in the mid-1990s Dr. Drew was my landlady's regular doctor. The addiction medicine thing came later. She was a really old woman in her 70s at the time and she said: "He's a really good doctor but I hate that he does all of that sex stuff" (referring to "Loveline" on the radio). I also agree it is disappointing that he came out the way he did, but he is a smart guy and maybe he will walk it back.

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I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

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He says there have been "no proven infections while shopping or at the hairdressers" but I read an article that said that in fact one patient was infected by a stranger he stood next to for less than a minute at a grocery stall. What was not said was if that person was coughing all over the place but clearly it did not take prolonged personal contact to be infected.

The pattern does seem to be clusters of patients, though, primarily family members so perhaps the virus does not spread that easily and that is why China was able to control it. That said, it doesn't seem very DIFFICULT to spread either. It is in all 50 US states now. That never happened with SARS precisely because SARS was difficult to trasmit.

I was reading a few articles on job losses, and I understand the massive job losses in hospitality, leisure and food and beverage places. I also understand the more modest losses in business services, but what I dont understand is the job losses in health care. During an epidemic wouldn't the need for healthcare employees rise?

https://reut.rs/346sa30

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I was reading a few articles on job losses, and I understand the massive job losses in hospitality, leisure and food and beverage places. I also understand the more modest losses in business services, but what I dont understand is the job losses in health care. During an epidemic wouldn't the need for healthcare employees rise?

https://reut.rs/346sa30

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I know that, for example, most dentists offices have closed except for emergencies. I imagine a lot of doctors have also closed their offices or pared down hours. My neighbor who is a doctor is keeping his practice open, but he said he is not getting very many patients right now and may need to scale back hours. He can pay the staff for a couple of weeks, but after that he will have to lay them off. There may be more examples.

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I realize the Star is not the Harvard Medical Journal...but:

Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' claims coronavirus doesn't spread as easily as thought - Daily Star


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientist-germanys-wuhan-claims-coronavirus-21805392



*From Day 1 I never bought government claim masks were not helpful (they needed to stop hoarding) and I have always thought getting it from a smear on surface must be difficult because it seems virtually impossible to keep ahead of the wipe down/sanitize game. My belief is that so many more would be infected if it was easy to contract in this manner (I will continue trying the best I can, however),

Your thoughts on article?

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It was always obvious that putting a mask on everyone would slow the spread of the virus if for no other reason than to prevent people who already had it from spreading it. The problem always was that we didn't have the masks to do that and you needed to deploy the masks in the most effective way which was and still is to give them to known sick people and health care workers.

Asia had the advantage in this pandemic in that their people have been through this before and are prepared. Individuals already have a supply of masks and already wear them regularly. I think you will find that once the supply gets up that we will all have our supply of masks and that we will at minimum wear them at any hint of a budding pandemic, and it may become a regular practice during flu season. Once the stigma is lifted and people get used to the practice, it will become more commonplace.

That said, people of Wuhan had plenty of masks and it probably slowed things down, but the impacts were still severe. Masks don't replace social distancing.

The other problem is that it is highly unlikely that most Americans were going to wear masks until we got to this point.

With regard to the story in the Daily Star about surface contact in Germany, the German doctor is the real deal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Streeck

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With regard to the story in the Daily Star about surface contact in Germany, the German doctor is the real deal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Streeck

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It is not a matter of the doctor being the real deal or not. We are seeing scientific debate on this realtime. There are going to be conflicting studies and conflicting opinions among perfectly qualified scientists

Any pathogen's survival on a surface is meaningless information unless you know 1) What is a minimum dose to make you ill 2) Does a larger dose make you more severely ill?

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Any pathogen's survival on a surface is meaningless information unless you know 1) What is a minimum dose to make you ill 2) Does a larger dose make you more severely ill?

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1) "The average number of viral particles needed to establish an infection is known as the infectious dose. We don't know what this is for covid-19 yet, but given how rapidly the disease is spreading, it is likely to be relatively low in the region of a few hundred or thousand particles, says Willem van Schaik at the University of Birmingham, UK."

2) Inconclusive, but this seems to be the case for other viruses such as SARS, MERS, and influenza.

dimitrig said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Any pathogen's survival on a surface is meaningless information unless you know 1) What is a minimum dose to make you ill 2) Does a larger dose make you more severely ill?

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1) "The average number of viral particles needed to establish an infection is known as the infectious dose. We don't know what this is for covid-19 yet, but given how rapidly the disease is spreading, it is likely to be relatively low in the region of a few hundred or thousand particles, says Willem van Schaik at the University of Birmingham, UK."

2) Inconclusive, but this seems to be the case for other viruses such as SARS, MERS, and influenza.

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1) Sounds like a guess not a study
2) Intuitively would explain the higher fatalities among health care workers and hospitalized

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CA is actually on a similar trajectory than NYC, but has a later start to the epidemic than NYC, so there will be a flattening to a lower peak.



NYC's death toll has been growing at a rate that is more than 10 times higher than Washington State (something one can pick up by visual inspection on a logarithmic chart). That's mostly due to the latter having a primarily suburban lifestyle where social distancing is naturally higher. That's what I was saying about most of the US being a slower ground for the epidemic due to the more isolated nature of the suburban lifestyle.

This might also explain the differential between SF and LA. LA has large swaths of areas with minorities living in denser, multi-generational urban/suburban settings. Compare with the typically smaller households in SF, where you have fewer families and fewer children.

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Comparison between NY State and CA (data taken from Kaiser Family Foundation, KFF.org) between March1 and April 2, 2020. Plot on the top has a linear scale and the plot on the bottom has a log-linear scale. Please note that the trajectories are VERY different. The confirmed case rate for CA is close to a straight line in the log-linear plot whereas the rate for NY is vastly different due to its nonlinear behavior on the log-linear plot. The difference in confirmed cases between states is CLEARLY displayed in the linear plot.
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Cal88 said:

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CA is actually on a similar trajectory than NYC, but has a later start to the epidemic than NYC, so there will be a flattening to a lower peak.



NYC's death toll has been growing at a rate that is more than 10 times higher than Washington State (something one can pick up by visual inspection on a logarithmic chart). That's mostly due to the latter having a primarily suburban lifestyle where social distancing is naturally higher. That's what I was saying about most of the US being a slower ground for the epidemic due to the more isolated nature of the suburban lifestyle.

This might also explain the differential between SF and LA. LA has large swaths of areas with minorities living in denser, multi-generational urban/suburban settings. Compare with the typically smaller households in SF, where you have fewer families and fewer children.

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Comparison between NY State and CA (data taken from Kaiser Family Foundation, KFF.org) between March1 and April 2, 2020. Plot on the left has a linear scale and the plot on the right has a log-linear scale. Please note that the trajectories are VERY different. The confirmed case rate for CA is close to a straight line in the log-linear plot whereas the rate for NY is vastly different due to its nonlinear behavior on the log-linear plot. The difference in confirmed cases between states is CLEARLY displayed in the linear plot.

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Sorry for the Confusion....I tried to upload two plots that I made from my computer. They appear when I am editing but disappear when I post. Any suggestions how to upload a .png file?

Shelter in place for another 5 months?

https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-stanford-team-has-grim-forecast-for-shelter-in-place-future/6074566/

bearister said:

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Shelter in place for another 5 months?

https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-stanford-team-has-grim-forecast-for-shelter-in-place-future/6074566/

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Well, until pretty close to all 50 governors get on board with it then YES, because otherwise we will be prone to more outbreaks as people move around the country. This patchwork solution Trump is advocating will just keep us locked down longer and destroy his precious economy even more.

A German Exception? Why the Country's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Low - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html


The coronavirus is reviving the American family - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-family-revival-00bb56ee-26e4-4c64-a0f7-380f13437b14.html

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When the American people said they wanted a CEO to run the country they were thinking Bill Gates.

What they got was this guy:

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I posted a Vox video somewhere around of here of Gates saying in 2015 his biggest fear was a worldwide pandemic. The ZyouTube comments are full of people accusing of creating corona to profit off a vaccine.

There are so many conspiracists.

Interesting US study (has not been peer-reviewed though) finds anti-correlation between BCG vaccination and COVID-19 death rate.

https://theprint.in/health/countries-with-compulsory-tb-vaccine-bcg-like-india-are-showing-fewer-covid-19-deaths/394377/

Coronavirus vices like alcohol and eating take a toll on Americans - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vices-alcohol-marijuana-food-23f02d5e-b82b-4944-8609-b4479af1070e.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

n/m

Chris Wallace interview with Bill Gates today;

US coronavirus map: Tracking the United States outbreak


https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/?build=native-web_i_p


Aerial images show streets, beaches and landmarks empty during coronavirus pandemic


https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2020/03/26/aerial-images-show-streets-beaches-and-landmarks-empty-during-coronavirus-pandemic/2915882001/

Scientists Probe How Coronavirus Might Travel Through The Air : Goats and Soda : NPR


https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/03/825639323/scientists-probe-how-coronavirus-might-travel-through-the-air

New York Times Daily Tracker is quite good for those interested:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/21/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-by-country.html

Country by country, and state by state

Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/coronavirus-death-toll-americans-are-almost-certainly-dying-of-covid-19-but-being-left-out-of-the-official-count/2020/04/05/71d67982-747e-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

What top CEOs fear telling America about the coronavirus shutdown - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-shutdown-top-ceos-economic-warning-5e2ea882-1883-4a1f-855c-0c74b281d4f3.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

*Revolutionary idea: How about the billion dollar companies have their overpaid executives disgorge some of their millions, and their major shareholders disgorge some of their millions, and pay it back to the companies to keep them afloat as well as continue payments to employees (if they have any left after off shoring jobs so immoral profit levels could be achieved).

bearister said:

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Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/coronavirus-death-toll-americans-are-almost-certainly-dying-of-covid-19-but-being-left-out-of-the-official-count/2020/04/05/71d67982-747e-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

What top CEOs fear telling America about the coronavirus shutdown - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-shutdown-top-ceos-economic-warning-5e2ea882-1883-4a1f-855c-0c74b281d4f3.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

*Revolutionary idea: How about the billion dollar companies have their overpaid executives disgorge some of their millions, and their major shareholders disgorge some of their millions, and pay it back to the companies to keep them afloat as well as continue payments to employees (if they have any left after off shoring jobs so immoral profit levels could be achieved).

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"*Revolutionary idea: How about the billion dollar companies have their overpaid executives disgorge some of their millions, and their major shareholders disgorge some of their millions, and pay it back to the companies to keep them afloat as well as continue payments to employees (if they have any left after off shoring jobs so immoral profit levels could be achieved)."

How dare you make such a revolutionary suggestion! They are worth every penny they have been paid...they might even be underpaid!

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They are worth every penny they have been paid...they might even be underpaid!

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Every decision a CEO makes, right or wrong, needs tremendous financial reward. They are just so so so special and no one could ever do what they do and they do it all by themselves and they owe nothing to no one and their lives should be elevated like demigods to the highest plane of existence that we mortals can afford them. If life is not wonderful for them, then we as a species have failed.

Remember, all morality comes from God and without them humanity would have no morality only unbridled evil.

And all employment comes from corporate executives, and without them humanity would have no prosperity only unbridled poverty.

In Post-Apocalyptic Dystopian America, the hordes will scavenge the plains for provisions and petrol, and former CEOs will decorate the roadways.




Fears coronavirus can HIDE in cells and reactivate later after 51 recovered patients test positive again The US Sun


https://www.the-sun.com/news/645016/fears-coronavirus-hide-cells-reactivate-recovered-patients-test-positive/

COVID 19 is the f@ucking Terminator.