Why not? This is America. We put a man on the Moon! We do things like this! However, there needs to be a will to do it.GBear4Life said:The whole point of the shelter in place and all precautions is to account for asymptomatic individuals.sycasey said:
Good thread here. I think this is the most relevant part.
Basically, the big problem with COVID-19 is that too many people are walking around without knowing they have it, which spreads the contagion much faster than other diseases where symptoms are sure to appear early. Basically, you need massive testing efforts to locate the asymptomatic cases so they can be quarantined. The US government has been way too slow to get this going (and it seems like they are the only entity with the resources to do so), but it will have to happen if we don't want to be stuck with home lockdowns for months on end.
Surely if 100 people are confirmed to have it, 1,000 people or more actually have it. You can't expect 350M asymptomatic to get tested. What do you do? You tell people to behave as if they are sick.
This takes cooperation from EVERYBODY, something I"m skeptical of.
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The will might be there after people have spent multiple weeks stuck in their homes.dimitrig said:Why not? This is America. We put a man on the Moon! We do things like this! However, there needs to be a will to do it.GBear4Life said:The whole point of the shelter in place and all precautions is to account for asymptomatic individuals.sycasey said:
Good thread here. I think this is the most relevant part.
Basically, the big problem with COVID-19 is that too many people are walking around without knowing they have it, which spreads the contagion much faster than other diseases where symptoms are sure to appear early. Basically, you need massive testing efforts to locate the asymptomatic cases so they can be quarantined. The US government has been way too slow to get this going (and it seems like they are the only entity with the resources to do so), but it will have to happen if we don't want to be stuck with home lockdowns for months on end.
Surely if 100 people are confirmed to have it, 1,000 people or more actually have it. You can't expect 350M asymptomatic to get tested. What do you do? You tell people to behave as if they are sick.
This takes cooperation from EVERYBODY, something I"m skeptical of.
JUST ACT AS IF YOU'RE SICK.dimitrig said:Why not? This is America. We put a man on the Moon! We do things like this! However, there needs to be a will to do it.GBear4Life said:The whole point of the shelter in place and all precautions is to account for asymptomatic individuals.sycasey said:
Good thread here. I think this is the most relevant part.
Basically, the big problem with COVID-19 is that too many people are walking around without knowing they have it, which spreads the contagion much faster than other diseases where symptoms are sure to appear early. Basically, you need massive testing efforts to locate the asymptomatic cases so they can be quarantined. The US government has been way too slow to get this going (and it seems like they are the only entity with the resources to do so), but it will have to happen if we don't want to be stuck with home lockdowns for months on end.
Surely if 100 people are confirmed to have it, 1,000 people or more actually have it. You can't expect 350M asymptomatic to get tested. What do you do? You tell people to behave as if they are sick.
This takes cooperation from EVERYBODY, something I"m skeptical of.
A man on the moon was in 1969. This country doesn't have a public health or medical infrastructure to deal with a problem like this.
The virus hit Korea roughly the same time it hit the US. Now in a total reversal through systematic programs they are mostly clear and in fear of contagion from us- so maybe it's now the American flu.
The virus hit Korea roughly the same time it hit the US. Now in a total reversal through systematic programs they are mostly clear and in fear of contagion from us- so maybe it's now the American flu.
Yup, need to follow their model. They didn't have to put everyone on lockdown, but they did have a massive testing and tracking program in places where there were outbreaks.Anarchistbear said:
The virus hit Korea roughly the same time it hit the US. Now in a total reversal through systematic programs they are mostly clear and in fear of contagion from us- so maybe it's now the American flu.
But Asians are more obedient than Americans. When entities of authority tell them to STAY HOME, they do. Americans are out partying and having orgies.sycasey said:Yup, need to follow their model. They didn't have to put everyone on lockdown, but they did have a massive testing and tracking program in places where there were outbreaks.Anarchistbear said:
The virus hit Korea roughly the same time it hit the US. Now in a total reversal through systematic programs they are mostly clear and in fear of contagion from us- so maybe it's now the American flu.
If Americans could reliably follow protocol, we can ride this out in relatively short time. Problem is that WON'T HAPPEN unless people change their behavior.
bullet points from today's seattle-pie, title reads..
Stay positive: Here are 23 pieces of good news regarding COVID-19"
https://www.seattlepi.com/coronavirus/article/good-news-about-novel-coronavirus-15141530.php
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1. Of about 80,000 people sick from COVID-19 in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged from hospitals
Per the World Health Organization last week, "Of the 80,000 reported COVID-19 cases in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged."
2. Scientists have figured out how the novel coronavirus breaks into human cells, which will help significantly in developing treatments
After scientists revealed the first picture of how the novel coronavirus binds with human respiratory cells to produce more viruses, researchers in China have solidified images all the way down to the level of the atoms at the binding points, according to Live Science. With this news, understanding how the virus enters cells will significantly aid researchers in finding drugs and vaccines to fight the virus.
3. Due to high levels of self-quarantine, Codogno, one of the two coronavirus clusters in Italy, has reported significantly fewer infections per day
Compared to 35 cases per day at the beginning of the outbreak, just five new infections were announced last week by Codogno's mayor, Francesco Passerini, according to the U.S. News and World Report. "It is a war. It is a war, but we have every possibility of winning," Passerini said. "Unlike with our grandfathers, who went physically into battle for our freedom, we are being required to show responsibility responsibility and calm."
4. Scientists in Canada have made massive breakthroughs in an effort to develop a vaccine
A team of Canadian scientists has finally isolated and grown copies of the coronavirus, which may now help scientists study the pathogen to develop better testing, treatments, vaccines, and gain a better understanding of its biology, the team said in a statement alongside the New York Post.
5. China is testing five different vaccine options, claiming it could have a vaccine ready by next month
Eight different institutes in China are working on five different inoculations to battle the novel coronavirus, according to the South China Morning Post. "According to our estimates, we are hopeful that in April some of the vaccines will enter clinical research or be of use in emergency situations," said Zheng Zhongwei, director of the National Health Commission's Science and Technology Development Center. While it's true that it would take at least 12 to 18 months to provide a safe vaccine to general public, under Chinese law, they could be released sooner for urgent use in a major public health emergency, provided the benefits outweigh the risks, noted the New York Post.
6. Vaccination trials in the U.S. are already underway
A trial of Moderna's vaccine has already kickstarted at Kaiser Permanente under Washington's Health Research Institute in Seattle, of which will hopefully confirm the safety of the vaccine prior to mass production.
7. A team of infectious disease experts calculated the fatality rate of Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak is about 1.4%, drastically lower than earlier estimates
While this estimate and data applies directly to Wuhan, where the novel coronavirus outbreak began, it offers a hopeful guide to the rest of the world as it notes significantly lower estimate of earlier stats around 3%. A full breakdown of the data can be found at Stat News.
8. Distilleries across the U.S. are making their own hand sanitizers and giving it away for free
Perhaps many Americans can calm down on the panic buying, as according to the Associated Press, distilleries across the country are using high-proof alcohol to make hand sanitizer, and divvying it out for free, or by donation to combat the novel coronavirus.
9. Air pollution has plummeted in cities with high numbers of quarantined individuals, Venice's waters are running clear
Analysts from the Washington Post have noted a drastic decrease in major greenhouses gases over Europe as individuals self-quarantine and cars stay parked at home. While it's little comfort to a country ravaged by the novel coronavirus, it highlights the impact humans can make on the environment. "I expect pollution to drop even further as the particles in the atmosphere get either dispersed or absorbed," Emanuele Massetti, an expert on the economics of climate change at Georgia Tech University who has studied Italy's climate policies, told the Washington Post. "In a few days, they will enjoy the cleanest air ever in northern Italy."
10. A Johns Hopkins researcher has claimed antibodies from recovered coronavirus patients could help protect people at risk
A treatment that can be made readily available under urgent circumstances, a team from Johns Hopkins alongside many other researchers are studying whether or not the antibodies of those recovered from the coronavirus could help protect at-risk humans from the virus. "Deployment of this option requires no research or development," immunologist Arturo Casadevall told Science Alert. "It could be deployed within a couple of weeks since it relies on standard blood-banking practices." Not to mention, a Japanese pharmaceutical company is nearing approval of the treatment.
11. South Korea recoveries are starting to outnumber new infections
Facing the largest epidemic outside of China, South Korea reported more recoveries from the coronavirus than new infections on Friday for the first time since its outbreak emerged in January, as a downward trend in daily cases raised hopes that Asia's biggest epidemic outside China may be slowing, according to India Today.
12. China is getting its feet back on the ground, opening parks and athletics, loosening travel restrictions
As the novel coronavirus comes under control in China, parks and tourist attractions have reopened across the country, alongside loosened travel restrictions. "The National Health Commission said on Thursday that the outbreak had passed its peak, and the figures appear to support its claim," said the South China Morning Post. "On Friday, authorities in mainland China reported just 11 new Covid-19 cases, of which four were in Hubei." According to ESPN, even professional basketball has reemerged in Asia.
13. China has also closed its last coronavirus hospital, not enough new cases to support them
China has shut down all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan as cases of coronavirus have began to dwindle. "The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers," according to the Xinhua news agency.
14. Australian researchers are in the midst of testing two drugs as cures to the virus
Scientists in Australia claim to have identified how the body's immune system fights the novel coronavirus. Published in Nature Medicine journal on Tuesday, the research shows people are recovering from the virus like they would from the flu. "This [discovery] is important because it is the first time where we are really understanding how our immune system fights novel coronavirus," study co-author Prof Katherine Kedzierska told BBC News.
15. Numerous businesses have stepped up to solve the crisis
Restaurants, sports, and businesses are all stepping up to combat the community effects of the novel coronavirus. The sports world is raising money for stadium employees, Uber Eats is divvying out free delivery to help independent restaurants, professional soccer players are entertaining viewers with a FIFA tournament, restaurants are doling out free food to those in need, and Bill Gates is funneling out millions of dollars to speed up development of a coronavirus treatment, to name just a few out of dozens.
16. Apple, Starbucks reopening all stores in China
While stores and restaurants across the U.S. have closed up shop, both Apple and Starbucks have reopened all of their stores in China as the novel coronavirus spread slows across the country.
17. MetroHealthMedical Center has developed a coronavirus test that gives results in hours, not days
"MetroHealth Medical Center becomes the first hospital in the state that can now test COVID-19 samples at its laboratory with results available after just two hours," released News 5 Cleveland. While supplies are limited, it notes a significant step toward expansive testing of the novel coronavirus.
18. Scientists in Israel have also noted the potential to annouce development of a coronavirus vaccine within weeks
Israeli scientists are nearing development of the first vaccine to combat the novel coronavirus, according to Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis. The vaccine could be ready within a few weeks and available in 90 days, according to a release.
19. A San Diego biotech company is developing a coronavirus vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore
As the race to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus continues globally, the San Diego-based biotech company, Arcturus Therapeutics, is working on creating one at its lab. The company is working alongside Duke NUS-Medical School, a partnership between Duke University and the National University of Singapore. While developing a vaccine that works hasn't yet proven impossible, "The major challenge with vaccines is the size of the dose and the feasibility of manufacturing," President and CEO, Joseph Payne, told CBS8.
20. A Japanese flu drug has proven effective in treating the novel coronavirus
Zhang Xinmin, an official at China's science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients, according to The Guardian. "It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment," Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.
21. China has reported just one new domestic coronavirus infection for a second day in a row.
"For the second consecutive day there was only one more fresh infection in Wuhan, the central city where the virus first emerged late last year," said the National Health Commission. New cases in surrounding Hubei province have now been in the single digits for the past seven days, down from a peak of several thousand per day in early February, said Daily Mail.
22. Communities are coming together to help their neighbors
Neighbors across the country are stepping up to make grocery runs for those who can't leave their homes. Local services have also reached out to the Seattle community to encourage those in need of help, to utilize the opportunities available to them.
23. A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19
After being treated for less than a week, this grandma is going for the gold as the oldest coronavirus patient to recover in China, and motivating elderly across the globe to retain hope.
Stay positive: Here are 23 pieces of good news regarding COVID-19"
https://www.seattlepi.com/coronavirus/article/good-news-about-novel-coronavirus-15141530.php
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1. Of about 80,000 people sick from COVID-19 in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged from hospitals
Per the World Health Organization last week, "Of the 80,000 reported COVID-19 cases in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged."
2. Scientists have figured out how the novel coronavirus breaks into human cells, which will help significantly in developing treatments
After scientists revealed the first picture of how the novel coronavirus binds with human respiratory cells to produce more viruses, researchers in China have solidified images all the way down to the level of the atoms at the binding points, according to Live Science. With this news, understanding how the virus enters cells will significantly aid researchers in finding drugs and vaccines to fight the virus.
3. Due to high levels of self-quarantine, Codogno, one of the two coronavirus clusters in Italy, has reported significantly fewer infections per day
Compared to 35 cases per day at the beginning of the outbreak, just five new infections were announced last week by Codogno's mayor, Francesco Passerini, according to the U.S. News and World Report. "It is a war. It is a war, but we have every possibility of winning," Passerini said. "Unlike with our grandfathers, who went physically into battle for our freedom, we are being required to show responsibility responsibility and calm."
4. Scientists in Canada have made massive breakthroughs in an effort to develop a vaccine
A team of Canadian scientists has finally isolated and grown copies of the coronavirus, which may now help scientists study the pathogen to develop better testing, treatments, vaccines, and gain a better understanding of its biology, the team said in a statement alongside the New York Post.
5. China is testing five different vaccine options, claiming it could have a vaccine ready by next month
Eight different institutes in China are working on five different inoculations to battle the novel coronavirus, according to the South China Morning Post. "According to our estimates, we are hopeful that in April some of the vaccines will enter clinical research or be of use in emergency situations," said Zheng Zhongwei, director of the National Health Commission's Science and Technology Development Center. While it's true that it would take at least 12 to 18 months to provide a safe vaccine to general public, under Chinese law, they could be released sooner for urgent use in a major public health emergency, provided the benefits outweigh the risks, noted the New York Post.
6. Vaccination trials in the U.S. are already underway
A trial of Moderna's vaccine has already kickstarted at Kaiser Permanente under Washington's Health Research Institute in Seattle, of which will hopefully confirm the safety of the vaccine prior to mass production.
7. A team of infectious disease experts calculated the fatality rate of Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak is about 1.4%, drastically lower than earlier estimates
While this estimate and data applies directly to Wuhan, where the novel coronavirus outbreak began, it offers a hopeful guide to the rest of the world as it notes significantly lower estimate of earlier stats around 3%. A full breakdown of the data can be found at Stat News.
8. Distilleries across the U.S. are making their own hand sanitizers and giving it away for free
Perhaps many Americans can calm down on the panic buying, as according to the Associated Press, distilleries across the country are using high-proof alcohol to make hand sanitizer, and divvying it out for free, or by donation to combat the novel coronavirus.
9. Air pollution has plummeted in cities with high numbers of quarantined individuals, Venice's waters are running clear
Analysts from the Washington Post have noted a drastic decrease in major greenhouses gases over Europe as individuals self-quarantine and cars stay parked at home. While it's little comfort to a country ravaged by the novel coronavirus, it highlights the impact humans can make on the environment. "I expect pollution to drop even further as the particles in the atmosphere get either dispersed or absorbed," Emanuele Massetti, an expert on the economics of climate change at Georgia Tech University who has studied Italy's climate policies, told the Washington Post. "In a few days, they will enjoy the cleanest air ever in northern Italy."
10. A Johns Hopkins researcher has claimed antibodies from recovered coronavirus patients could help protect people at risk
A treatment that can be made readily available under urgent circumstances, a team from Johns Hopkins alongside many other researchers are studying whether or not the antibodies of those recovered from the coronavirus could help protect at-risk humans from the virus. "Deployment of this option requires no research or development," immunologist Arturo Casadevall told Science Alert. "It could be deployed within a couple of weeks since it relies on standard blood-banking practices." Not to mention, a Japanese pharmaceutical company is nearing approval of the treatment.
11. South Korea recoveries are starting to outnumber new infections
Facing the largest epidemic outside of China, South Korea reported more recoveries from the coronavirus than new infections on Friday for the first time since its outbreak emerged in January, as a downward trend in daily cases raised hopes that Asia's biggest epidemic outside China may be slowing, according to India Today.
12. China is getting its feet back on the ground, opening parks and athletics, loosening travel restrictions
As the novel coronavirus comes under control in China, parks and tourist attractions have reopened across the country, alongside loosened travel restrictions. "The National Health Commission said on Thursday that the outbreak had passed its peak, and the figures appear to support its claim," said the South China Morning Post. "On Friday, authorities in mainland China reported just 11 new Covid-19 cases, of which four were in Hubei." According to ESPN, even professional basketball has reemerged in Asia.
13. China has also closed its last coronavirus hospital, not enough new cases to support them
China has shut down all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan as cases of coronavirus have began to dwindle. "The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers," according to the Xinhua news agency.
14. Australian researchers are in the midst of testing two drugs as cures to the virus
Scientists in Australia claim to have identified how the body's immune system fights the novel coronavirus. Published in Nature Medicine journal on Tuesday, the research shows people are recovering from the virus like they would from the flu. "This [discovery] is important because it is the first time where we are really understanding how our immune system fights novel coronavirus," study co-author Prof Katherine Kedzierska told BBC News.
15. Numerous businesses have stepped up to solve the crisis
Restaurants, sports, and businesses are all stepping up to combat the community effects of the novel coronavirus. The sports world is raising money for stadium employees, Uber Eats is divvying out free delivery to help independent restaurants, professional soccer players are entertaining viewers with a FIFA tournament, restaurants are doling out free food to those in need, and Bill Gates is funneling out millions of dollars to speed up development of a coronavirus treatment, to name just a few out of dozens.
16. Apple, Starbucks reopening all stores in China
While stores and restaurants across the U.S. have closed up shop, both Apple and Starbucks have reopened all of their stores in China as the novel coronavirus spread slows across the country.
17. MetroHealthMedical Center has developed a coronavirus test that gives results in hours, not days
"MetroHealth Medical Center becomes the first hospital in the state that can now test COVID-19 samples at its laboratory with results available after just two hours," released News 5 Cleveland. While supplies are limited, it notes a significant step toward expansive testing of the novel coronavirus.
18. Scientists in Israel have also noted the potential to annouce development of a coronavirus vaccine within weeks
Israeli scientists are nearing development of the first vaccine to combat the novel coronavirus, according to Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis. The vaccine could be ready within a few weeks and available in 90 days, according to a release.
19. A San Diego biotech company is developing a coronavirus vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore
As the race to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus continues globally, the San Diego-based biotech company, Arcturus Therapeutics, is working on creating one at its lab. The company is working alongside Duke NUS-Medical School, a partnership between Duke University and the National University of Singapore. While developing a vaccine that works hasn't yet proven impossible, "The major challenge with vaccines is the size of the dose and the feasibility of manufacturing," President and CEO, Joseph Payne, told CBS8.
20. A Japanese flu drug has proven effective in treating the novel coronavirus
Zhang Xinmin, an official at China's science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients, according to The Guardian. "It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment," Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.
21. China has reported just one new domestic coronavirus infection for a second day in a row.
"For the second consecutive day there was only one more fresh infection in Wuhan, the central city where the virus first emerged late last year," said the National Health Commission. New cases in surrounding Hubei province have now been in the single digits for the past seven days, down from a peak of several thousand per day in early February, said Daily Mail.
22. Communities are coming together to help their neighbors
Neighbors across the country are stepping up to make grocery runs for those who can't leave their homes. Local services have also reached out to the Seattle community to encourage those in need of help, to utilize the opportunities available to them.
23. A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19
After being treated for less than a week, this grandma is going for the gold as the oldest coronavirus patient to recover in China, and motivating elderly across the globe to retain hope.
muting ~250 handles, turnaround is fair play
People would be more willing to stay home if they knew they were in contact with 20 people who tested positive.
And yet your solution is martial law? How is that not just the "stay home" method taken to greater extremes?GBear4Life said:But Asians are more obedient than Americans. When entities of authority tell them to STAY HOME, they do. Americans are out partying and having orgies.sycasey said:Yup, need to follow their model. They didn't have to put everyone on lockdown, but they did have a massive testing and tracking program in places where there were outbreaks.Anarchistbear said:
The virus hit Korea roughly the same time it hit the US. Now in a total reversal through systematic programs they are mostly clear and in fear of contagion from us- so maybe it's now the American flu.
The point of the Korean method is that it DOESN'T force everyone to stay home, you only do if you have the virus. If you test negative, you're good to go and proceed as normal.
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
China reports fewest cases since outbreak. Um, can we trust anything coming out of there?
I don't foresee that being an issue for you.GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
what, staying away from strangers and objects mass amounts of other people touch and come into contact with? Correct.Professor David Romer said:I don't foresee that being an issue for you.GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
No, I mean all peopleGBear4Life said:what, staying away from strangers and objects mass amounts of other people touch and come into contact with? Correct.Professor David Romer said:I don't foresee that being an issue for you.GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
So then you force them to abide by the Korean method (mandatory testing).GBear4Life said:why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
Sure, if you have the testing. But if they follow the order, the test kits aren't as vital because people are not behaving as if they're sicksycasey said:So then you force them to abide by the Korean method (mandatory testing).GBear4Life said:why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
iirc the salmon colored pills were taken every day during the war against vietnam, drafted next against CV according to Newsweek..
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-malaria-drug-coronavirus-fda-1493293
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-malaria-drug-coronavirus-fda-1493293
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.. .. As the COVID-19 pandemic spreads around the world, scientists are scrambling to identify treatments that may be effective against the disease. Hydroxychloroquinea common derivative of chloroquineis among those touted as most promising by some experts.
"The nice part is, it's been around for a long time, so we know that if things don't go as planned its not going to kill anybody," Trump told reporters at a press conference. "When you go with a brand new drug, you don't know if that's going to happen. Its shown very very encouraging early results and we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."
But how effective is the drug? This week, researcher Didier Raoult from Aix-Marseille University in France, one of the main proponents for using hydroxychloroquine to treat infection with the novel coronavirusknown as SARS-CoV-2released encouraging results of a preliminary trial involving a total of 36 COVID-19 patients.
According to a draft paperwhich has not yet been accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journalsix of these patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms.
Between early and mid-March, Raoult and his team treated 20 of these patients with 600 milligrams of hydroxychloroquine daily in a hospital setting. Depending on their symptoms, an antibiotic known as azithromycin was also added to the treatments. This antibiotic is known to be effective against complications from bacterial lung disease. The 16 remaining patients were not given the drug as a control.
In the study, the scientists observed a "significant" reduction in viral load in the patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, and that the effect was reinforced by azithromycin, Medscape reported.
In fact, after six days, 70 percent of the treated patients were considered cured, meaning that the virus was no longer detected in samples taken from them, compared to 12.5 percent of the control group patients. Furthermore, all six patients who were treated with both hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin tested negative for the virus after six days.
While encouraging, it is important to note that this is an unpublished preliminary study, so the results should be viewed with caution. The sample size is small, and the study was non-randomized, meaning people were allocated to different interventions using non-random methods. The study was also "unblinded," meaning that all partiesi.e. the medical staff, patients and researcherswere aware of the treatments the participants received..
muting ~250 handles, turnaround is fair play
GBear4Life said:Sure, if you have the testing. But if they follow the order, the test kits aren't as vital because people are not behaving as if they're sicksycasey said:So then you force them to abide by the Korean method (mandatory testing).GBear4Life said:why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
It's less disruptive to daily life to have the testing AND you have actual data to know how many are infected.
Sure, the stay-home method is needed if you don't have testing. But it's not a reason to argue against more testing.
Right but we don't have the testing, so what is your point. RIGHT NOW that is the only option at our disposal.sycasey said:GBear4Life said:Sure, if you have the testing. But if they follow the order, the test kits aren't as vital because people are not behaving as if they're sicksycasey said:So then you force them to abide by the Korean method (mandatory testing).GBear4Life said:why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
It's less disruptive to daily life to have the testing AND you have actual data to know how many are infected.
Sure, the stay-home method is needed if you don't have testing. But it's not a reason to argue against more testing.
My point has always been that the Korean model seems like the one to emulate, even if we need to ramp up to it. Perhaps that was unclear?GBear4Life said:Right but we don't have the testing, so what is your point. RIGHT NOW that is the only option at our disposal.sycasey said:GBear4Life said:Sure, if you have the testing. But if they follow the order, the test kits aren't as vital because people are not behaving as if they're sicksycasey said:So then you force them to abide by the Korean method (mandatory testing).GBear4Life said:why? Obedient people do what they're told. Others do not -- you have to force them.sycasey said:So . . . the Korean model won't work because Americans are not obedient enough, but forcing them to do stuff will definitely work better?GBear4Life said:
You're still transmittable up to 3 days after a negative test result.
JUST FU C KIN STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE. And people won't do that on their own volition -- so you force them.
I'm not tracking your logic here.
It's less disruptive to daily life to have the testing AND you have actual data to know how many are infected.
Sure, the stay-home method is needed if you don't have testing. But it's not a reason to argue against more testing.
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I've been watching the testing-positive numbers, by country. We had always been trailing France, but yesterday we passed them and are now leaving them in the dust... closing in on Germany!
Okay, while I love running up the score on those Euro countries, I'm thinking maybe this should be like golf, where lowest score wins.
Okay, while I love running up the score on those Euro countries, I'm thinking maybe this should be like golf, where lowest score wins.
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I've been watching the testing-positive numbers, by country. We had always been trailing France, but yesterday we passed them and are now leaving them in the dust... closing in on Germany!
Okay, while I love running up the score on those Euro countries, I'm thinking maybe this should be like golf, where lowest score wins.
It's worth noting that the US count was going to rise more quickly because we hardly did any early testing. Some of this increase is due to us actually doing testing now.
Fauci on CNN right now. This is news to me: in his opinion, it is highly unlikely that a person infected with CV and is then completely cleared can get re-infected. Dr. Gupta was very intrigued by this observation and asked how "certain" Fauci was of this. He said that there is a type of certainty based on data, which is not what we have enough of here. Then there is certainty based on all known experience with other similar viruses, which is what he bases his strong confidence on.
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Fauci on CNN right now. This is news to me: in his opinion, it is highly unlikely that a person infected with CV and is then completely cleared can get re-infected. Dr. Gupta was very intrigued by this observation and asked how "certain" Fauci was of this. He said that there is a type of certainty based on data, which is not what we have enough of here. Then there is certainty based on all known experience with other similar viruses, which is what he bases his strong confidence on.
Nothing in life is certain but this is what my neighbor (who researched coronaviruses) also believes based on experience with similar viruses.
There has been a lot of chatter of re-infections but from what I recall the re-infection rate was 0.14% and it could be explained as false negatives - eg the person never really recovered from their initial infection. If re-infection were a meaningful short-term risk, I suspect we would already know about it.
On the other hand, the strains could mutate, etc. into something else and I'm not an epidemiologist or doctor but I have been trapped in my house for a while so I've had lots of time to read.
On the other hand, the strains could mutate, etc. into something else and I'm not an epidemiologist or doctor but I have been trapped in my house for a while so I've had lots of time to read.
Coronavirus Outbreak: A Cascade of Warnings, Heard but Unheeded
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My initial instant to sink that ship and all the ingrates aboard turned out to be correct.
Coronavirus update: Grand Princess cruise passengers in quarantine refuse COVID-19 tests at Travis AFB
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My initial instant to sink that ship and all the ingrates aboard turned out to be correct.
Coronavirus update: Grand Princess cruise passengers in quarantine refuse COVID-19 tests at Travis AFB
https://abc7news.com/health/grand-princess-passengers-in-quarantine-refuse-covid-19-tests/6029729/
I am coming around on this martial law thing.
hanky1 endorses this post.bearister said:
My initial instant to sink that ship and all the ingrates aboard turned out to be correct.
Coronavirus update: Grand Princess cruise passengers in quarantine refuse COVID-19 tests at Travis AFB
https://abc7news.com/health/grand-princess-passengers-in-quarantine-refuse-covid-19-tests/6029729/
Professor Harold Hill said:hanky1 endorses this post.bearister said:
My initial instant to sink that ship and all the ingrates aboard turned out to be correct.
Coronavirus update: Grand Princess cruise passengers in quarantine refuse COVID-19 tests at Travis AFB
https://abc7news.com/health/grand-princess-passengers-in-quarantine-refuse-covid-19-tests/6029729/
Oakland let them in the port and now they are f'ing us.
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The issue I was trying to express with my posts above was that we had a shelter in place order. They essentially were trying to be sensitive to the difficulty of the order by providing exceptions saying people could go for a walk or a jog, etc. and talking about six foot buffers. It is clear that they meant stay away from people. Go out for a limited period of time some place where you can minimize interaction to hopefully zero. Yet what I was observing is people stretching the rule to its limits like a bunch of children instead of doing the right thing. We SHOULD be able to go on reasonable walks. But unfortunately people are being asshats about it so the privilege needs to be taken away.sycasey said:bearister said:
My initial instant to sink that ship and all the ingrates aboard turned out to be correct.
Coronavirus update: Grand Princess cruise passengers in quarantine refuse COVID-19 tests at Travis AFB
https://abc7news.com/health/grand-princess-passengers-in-quarantine-refuse-covid-19-tests/6029729/
I am coming around on this martial law thing.
And the problem is with arguments about only having vulnerable populations quarantine and making arguments about permanent risks like car accidents that minimize the severity of the acute risk we are facing and the reason they are so selfish is that those vulnerable populations really depend on everyone doing their part. This is basically the same as anti-vaxers. There are people who can't be protected who rely on the rest of us. You can't put a bubble around your house. At minimum you need supplies. If the rate of infection skyrockets in the general population, staying in your house won't eliminate the risk. Further, there are people who have no choice but to go out. Health professionals, police, fire, grocery workers, emergency personnel, delivery people, etc. Many of them would love he luxury of being able to stay in their houses. Many will get infected. Some will die. Those of us who can take complete measures to impede the spread need to do so to protect those that are doing jobs at personal risk to support us through this. On top of that, if our hospitals get overwhelmed with coronavirus cases, everyone else who has a medical issue unrelated to coronavirus or develops one is in danger. Pray you don't have a heart attack during that time.
Finally, its turning out that in America many of the hospitalizations are in younger populations than first thought. If you are under 20, you are apparently good. Otherwise you need to protect yourself for your own selfish reasons even if you don't care about others.
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