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going4roses said:

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Cold dynamics how their lies have morphed into something else but never any personal responsibility on conservatives and or the greed of the wealthy. The denial is eerily similar to America's denial of the free labor that built this nation and still have not been compensated but daily live with the terrorism of surviving behind enemy lines.

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I advocate personal responsibility for people of all political beliefs, races, and genders.

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Me too. That is why I support prison sentences for Trump and everybody who helped him conspire to steal the 2020 election.

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Let’s be clear about what just happened: only eleven days before a Presidential election, a federal judge ordered Virginia to reinstate over 1,500 individuals–who self-identified themselves as noncitizens–back onto the voter rolls. https://t.co/QwloK1Sxr4

— Glenn Youngkin (@GlennYoungkin) October 25, 2024

Illegals are on the voter rolls in Virginia per federal mandate.

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Why won't the Supremes step in?

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In Devastating Blow To Democrats, Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Following The Law https://t.co/AoE3kwLBDQ pic.twitter.com/thPai6mWWn

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 30, 2024

They just did!

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bear2034 said:

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Let’s be clear about what just happened: only eleven days before a Presidential election, a federal judge ordered Virginia to reinstate over 1,500 individuals–who self-identified themselves as noncitizens–back onto the voter rolls. https://t.co/QwloK1Sxr4

— Glenn Youngkin (@GlennYoungkin) October 25, 2024

Illegals are on the voter rolls in Virginia per federal mandate.

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Some of them are citizens. That's why purges are illegal within 90 days of an election.

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BREAKING: SUPREME COURT LETS VIRGINIA PURGE VOTERS, INCLUDING ILLEGAL ALIENS, BEFORE ELECTION IN MAJOR WIN FOR GOP

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) October 30, 2024

I don't think your facts are correct.

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The Supreme Court legislates and changes laws when they want to. My facts were correct at the time I wrote it.

Who the F is we ?

We is the American people. Do you have a point?

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Cold dynamics how their lies have morphed into something else but never any personal responsibility on conservatives and or the greed of the wealthy. The denial is eerily similar to America's denial of the free labor that built this nation and still have not been compensated but daily live with the terrorism of surviving behind enemy lines.

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I advocate personal responsibility for people of all political beliefs, races, and genders.

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Me too. That is why I support prison sentences for Trump and everybody who helped him conspire to steal the 2020 election.

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Treason requires Trump be hanged.

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Why did you stop going to your weekly sessions?

🚨JD Vance on the cause of mass illegal immigration:

"I think there was a massive corporate lobby for cheap labor in the US and that is the main thing that's going on.

In 2017/18 I was at a business conference dinner, and I was seated next to the CEO of one of the largest hotel… pic.twitter.com/YSrtcDjWLv

— Autism Capital 🧩 (@AutismCapital) November 1, 2024

Cheap labor and political power

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going4roses said:

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Cold dynamics how their lies have morphed into something else but never any personal responsibility on conservatives and or the greed of the wealthy. The denial is eerily similar to America's denial of the free labor that built this nation and still have not been compensated but daily live with the terrorism of surviving behind enemy lines.

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I advocate personal responsibility for people of all political beliefs, races, and genders.

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Me too. That is why I support prison sentences for Trump and everybody who helped him conspire to steal the 2020 election.

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Treason requires Trump be hanged.

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Phony charges all. What was treason was opening the Southern US Border to all comers, inviting them in, and when that began to get some negative media coverage, actually flying more of the migrants in so they wouldn't catch a cold from getting wet in the river in a normal border crossing, and not have to put up with any Border Patrol meanies. 50 million persons allowed to enter the country, nearly all unvetted, untracked, and unknown, and then busing or flying them to parts unknown inside our border, purposely putting all these cities and towns and their social welfare services and their financial resources under tremendous stress? 50 million illegal migrants, including some 300 or so already on the terrorist watch list, and hundreds of thousands of known criminals, and many more thousands of "gotaways". Meanwhile the government "lost" some 300,000 undocumented children, many of whom will likely be abducted into slavery. And then there is the increase in narcotics coming it through the now non-existent border. All that, my friend, is "treason". I'll let you decide the penalty for the soon to be former President.

And remember who was his right hand man (woman, in this case), Border Czar, Kamala Harris, who may not have been involved in the plotting of this crime of treason, but was directly involved in supervising and administering the program once the ball, or the hordes, got rolling. That part may not have been as treasonous as the original diabolical idea, but I'd still consider it very treasonous. What country ever gives up its border, except in war, or under massive threat from a stronger enemy? Where was the gun pointed at Biden's head? At Harris' head? Probably the idea was hatched or adopted further back up nearer the top of the Democrat Party food chain, and Biden and Harris were just carrying out orders, like the good soldiers they are (except Biden, who does go off the rails sometimes, and embarrasses the Party. Who are the people really in control over the Democrat Party? And why do they want to destroy or greatly weaken the country?

Bingo. I've also heard business leaders talk about the Baby Boomers retiring, and the need for more labor. But we're bringing in millions of low-skilled or no-skills labor.

What Vance left off is that Wall Street Globalists decided decades ago that we were going to become a service-driven economy. That's another reason they hate Trump - he wants to bring manufacturing home.

Cogent questions. The Wall Street Journal recently said Obama was seeking his 4th term. He, Michelle, and Valerie still have a home in DC. (Jarrett may be Obama's brain.) I've read BO made 3,000, or 6,000, political appointments. They're entrenched currently. At some point it was revealed HRC calls the State Dept multiple times every day.

Holder (Obama) used Bush's Patriot Act to turn our intell agencies against their opponents. Holder took the FBI and DOJ sharpley Leftward, hiring idealogues.

The SES is running chunks. Blackrock staffed the WH, and upper management. The NeoCons are probably knee deep on everything, as is the MICC.

Why do poop gray states tend to match blue states?

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Bingo. I've also heard business leaders talk about the Baby Boomers retiring, and the need for more labor. But we're bringing in millions of low-skilled or no-skills labor.

What Vance left off is that Wall Street Globalists decided decades ago that we were going to become a service-driven economy. That's another reason they hate Trump - he wants to bring manufacturing home.

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The reality is AI and the robotics revolution will greatly reduce the need for low skilled labor. This is why silicon valley thought leaders openly talk about the coming need for Universal Basic Income. If this is true for American citizens, how is it not for "migrants" who bring even less human capital and to whom we owe exactly nothing?

Milton Friedman once said something to the effect that you can't have open borders and a welfare state. Besides being economically provable, it's just basic common sense which is why it eludes so many on the Left.

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Bingo. I've also heard business leaders talk about the Baby Boomers retiring, and the need for more labor. But we're bringing in millions of low-skilled or no-skills labor.

What Vance left off is that Wall Street Globalists decided decades ago that we were going to become a service-driven economy. That's another reason they hate Trump - he wants to bring manufacturing home.

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The reality is AI and the robotics revolution will greatly reduce the need for low skilled labor. This is why silicon valley thought leaders openly talk about the coming need for Universal Basic Income. If this is true for American citizens, how is it not for "migrants" who bring even less human capital and to whom we owe exactly nothing?

Milton Friedman once said something to the effect that you can't have open borders and a welfare state. Besides being economically provable, it's just basic common sense which is why it eludes so many on the Left.

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I seem to remember Obama's mentor/teacher/friend, Frances Fox Piven who wrote some words to the effect that "the way to destroy American capitalism is to flood the welfare system with millions of new welfare recipients". What better way to do this than open our southern border and admit anyone who walks into America? These folks are mostly already the poor and needy. They are mostly unskilled, and if they find work here, it will be in manual labor or menial jobs. If what you say is true about AI and robotics (and I have no doubt that it will be true, if we allow the Left to influence or control it), then this will assuredly force these immigrants to either go back home, or stay here and join the welfare rolls. The latter choice will bankrupt our economy and wreck the country. I wonder what what Obama (and the Left of which he is a member) plans for us and himself. Will there be an American Left running the country, or will they cave to the major Communist Party, the CCP of China, or throw in their lot with a strong dictator like Putin? In any case, we the American citizens will be lucky to avoid hard labor or prison.

Close the borders

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Who opened them in the first place and why and when ... For what reason? For whose benefit?

Don't lie

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President Trump closed the border, and had to go around Congress to build the Wall!

Biden and Harris canceled all of Trump's strategies, Stay in Mexico, etc. They welded open gates in the Wall. They also canceled 200 miles of additional new 30' Wall.

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Who opened them in the first place and why and when ... For what reason? For whose benefit?

Don't lie

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We were being told by the government that the border was secure.

Or should I say, the Biden administration was gaslighting us by telling us to not believe our own eyes.

OPEN BORDER: Congressional report exposes how the Biden-Harris administration has worked with the U.N., to funnel millions of taxpayer dollars to the international organization, to accelerate importation of illegal migrants to American communities. pic.twitter.com/ThlrQuORtQ

— @amuse (@amuse) November 2, 2024

This is more than just allowing the border to be open.

Is that treason?

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Those in favor of slave labor is wild

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Prisoners should work at least enough to pay for their incarceration. Everything above that should be at least minimum wage that they can keep when they get out.

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Making .14 an hour they will never cover the tens to hundreds of millions annually to house them. So the tax payers are on the hook for to pay for prison beds for disabled / elderly/ abled body people because working doesn't cover basic sustenance

So you are ok with homeless people whom can not afford a place to live to be put in prison to work as free slave labors ?

If that is the case you will be a slave eventually …

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No, they should get paid minimum wage and all wages should go towards the cost of their incarceration. When they are set free, the can keep anything above that. If they die in jail, their family can get the money.

Where is Joe Arpaio when we need him. Maybe we could hire Nayib Bukele as a consultant?