Trump is running for president again

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7:48p, 12/17/23
This is pretty accurate. Too bad it works on so many Americans.


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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 1:36p, 12/18/23
Unit2Sucks said:
This is pretty accurate. Too bad it works on so many Americans.

Obviously, what Sarah said about what Greg said about what Trump said is working on you.
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2:01p, 12/18/23
I'm just waiting for the Orange Groppenfuhrer to grow a Charlie Chaplin stach.
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In reply to GoOskie • 3:20p, 12/18/23
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I'm just waiting for the Orange Groppenfuhrer to grow a Charlie Chaplin stach.


It's like Trump looks at Biden's incompetence and decides to have his hold my beer moment.

It's hard to say Trump has jumped the shark since he seems to always jump the shark. And this is the problem with courting far right extremists.. At a certain point, you have no place to go other than to eventually adopt the neo-nazi philosophy.

As much as I hate Biden, I guess I will have to vote for him again. Not that it matters here. Trump keeps reminding people like me why he is the worst of us. However, the best thing may be for independents to register as a Republican and vote for Haley in the primary.
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3:26p, 12/19/23

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In reply to bearister • 3:39p, 12/19/23
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Talk about a Pyrrhic victory
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3:47p, 12/19/23
Democrats vote against their own self-interests, including state supreme court justices.
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4:14p, 12/19/23
I think Traitor Trump being disqualified from the Presidency on 14th amendment grounds is a pretty straightforward reading of the Constitution. Of course, the Constitution says what a majority of the politicians on the Supreme Court say it says. I predict 6-3 in Traitor Trump's favor.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:08p, 12/19/23
bear2034 said:
Democrats vote against their own self-interests, including state supreme court justices.


No, that would be The Deplorables that unwittingly support tax cuts for the wealthy by being manipulated by politicians that push the racism, guns and religion buttons.

I knowingly vote against my best financial interests.
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In reply to bearister • 5:56p, 12/19/23
Trump has not been convicted of anything resembling insurrection. In the only pseudo legal proceeding related to J6, he was found not guilty by the Senate. This decision isn't right.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 6:18p, 12/19/23
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Trump has not been convicted of anything resembling insurrection. In the only pseudo legal proceeding related to J6, he was found not guilty by the Senate. This decision isn't right.


The Constitution doesn't say anything about convictions. It does offer traitors a remedy. If 2/3s of both houses of Congress vote then the disability is removed.
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8:53p, 12/19/23
More commie election interference.
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In reply to dajo9 • 9:53p, 12/19/23
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I think Traitor Trump being disqualified from the Presidency on 14th amendment grounds is a pretty straightforward reading of the Constitution. Of course, the Constitution says what a majority of the politicians on the Supreme Court say it says. I predict 6-3 in Traitor Trump's favor.
So straightforward that it failed five times already (including once in Colorado) before finally finding the right four judges. But good luck in the Supreme Court!

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In reply to Biden Sucks 7 • 2:07a, 12/20/23
What's that saying that the press always uses to introduce Trump?

"Twice impeached, four times indicted"

They're gonna need to amend that to something that equally flows off the tongue:

"Twice impeached, four times indicted, once officially stricken from the ballot for insurrection."
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In reply to dajo9 • 9:43a, 12/20/23
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tequila4kapp said:
Trump has not been convicted of anything resembling insurrection. In the only pseudo legal proceeding related to J6, he was found not guilty by the Senate. This decision isn't right.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about convictions. It does offer traitors a remedy. If 2/3s of both houses of Congress vote then the disability is removed.
It says "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion"
How does one determine if a person was engaged in I's/R's?
You really think disqualifying someone from the ability to hold office wouldn't be predicated on some amount of due process? That is completely illogical. The only protection from political witch hunts is due process, which naturally flows from a criminal prosecution.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:49a, 12/20/23
tequila4kapp said:
dajo9 said:
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has not been convicted of anything resembling insurrection. In the only pseudo legal proceeding related to J6, he was found not guilty by the Senate. This decision isn't right.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about convictions. It does offer traitors a remedy. If 2/3s of both houses of Congress vote then the disability is removed.
It says "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion"
How does one determine if a person was engaged in things that are statutorily defined federal offenses?
You really think disqualifying someone from the ability to hold office wouldn't be predicated on some amount of due process? That is completely illogical. The only protection from political witch hunts is due process, which naturally flows from a criminal prosecution.


If the writers of the Constitution wanted to require a conviction they would have written it in. The Confederates weren't criminally convicted. Their actions were self evident, as are Trump's. Traitor Trump has recourse under the Constitution and he should follow the process laid out in the Constitution. He needs 2/3's vote of both chambers of Congress to remove his disability.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:52a, 12/20/23
tequila4kapp said:
dajo9 said:
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has not been convicted of anything resembling insurrection. In the only pseudo legal proceeding related to J6, he was found not guilty by the Senate. This decision isn't right.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about convictions. It does offer traitors a remedy. If 2/3s of both houses of Congress vote then the disability is removed.
It says "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion"
How does one determine if a person was engaged in things that are statutorily defined federal offenses?
You really think disqualifying someone from the ability to hold office wouldn't be predicated on some amount of due process? That is completely illogical. The only protection from political witch hunts is due process, which naturally flows from a criminal prosecution.
There was no statutory federal offense for insurrection or rebellion at the time the 14th amendment was drafted. 18 US 2383 didn't come into effect until 1948. If the 14th amendment was intended to work the way you are suggesting, why would the language say "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion" and not "shall have been convicted of the federal crime of insurrection or rebellion?"

I have been told again and again that the constitution should be read literally and that we should strive to avoid any notion of a "living constitution" or one that seeks to impose a modern sensibilities on the plain language but that is exactly what conservatives are doing today.

SCOTUS has done everything it can of late to minimize the impact of the 14th amendment and ironically now people are claiming that Colorado is violating Trump's due process (which only applies to the states because of the 14th amendment!) by ... applying the 14th amendment as drafted.


Aren't you essentially saying the 14th amendment is unconstitutional?

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10:15a, 12/20/23
Banana republic.
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:19a, 12/20/23
dajo9 said:

If the writers of the Constitution wanted to require a conviction they would have written it in. The Confederates weren't criminally convicted. Their actions were self evident, as are Trump's…..



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11:27a, 12/20/23
The biggest threats to the Democrats holding onto power and controlling the narrative are Trump, Thomas, Musk, and Tucker. It's interesting that none of them originally identified themselves as conservative.
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11:52a, 12/20/23
The 5th Amendment (due process guarantees) was ratified in 1791.
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1866.

To the best of my knowledge there was no law on the federal books outlawing insurrections at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified (the Insurrection Act of 1808(?) created a right for the President to send federal troops; it gives the Pres the right to define an insurrection).

It is illogical to think the Constitution should say "convicted of" something that was not a federal crime. A more logical reading is that the founders understood that the 5th Am DP rights applied, otherwise they would have added text to say DP didn't apply to insurrections w/in the 14th Amendment.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:05p, 12/20/23
tequila4kapp said:
The 5th Amendment (due process guarantees) was ratified in 1791.
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1866.

To the best of my knowledge there was no law on the federal books outlawing insurrections at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified (the Insurrection Act of 1808(?) created a right for the President to send federal troops; it gives the Pres the right to define an insurrection).

It is illogical to think the Constitution should say "convicted of" something that was not a federal crime. A more logical reading is that the founders understood that the 5th Am DP rights applied, otherwise they would have added text to say DP didn't apply to insurrections w/in the 14th Amendment.
Due process speaks to being deprived of life, liberty, or property. Serving as an officer of the government is none of those things.

But it doesn't matter what we believe the Constitution says. It only matters what 9 people believe the Constitution says. They will find for Trump on some grounds or other.
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:13p, 12/20/23
Cal88 said:
Banana republic.

if you thought Trump was Hitler, you would also support impeaching him over a hoax, raiding his house, imprisoning him, and taking him off the ballot.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 12:16p, 12/20/23
tequila4kapp said:
The 5th Amendment (due process guarantees) was ratified in 1791.
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1866.

To the best of my knowledge there was no law on the federal books outlawing insurrections at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified (the Insurrection Act of 1808(?) created a right for the President to send federal troops; it gives the Pres the right to define an insurrection).

It is illogical to think the Constitution should say "convicted of" something that was not a federal crime. A more logical reading is that the founders understood that the 5th Am DP rights applied, otherwise they would have added text to say DP didn't apply to insurrections w/in the 14th Amendment.
Can you point me to the place in the constitution where it says that Colorado owes someone due process? Alternatively, can you point out the place in the constitution where it says the federal government owes a person due process with respect to their name appearing on a ballot in Colorado?

You seem to be cherry-picking from the constitution in order to thread the needle.

I think you probably understand that your arguments don't actually address the merits of the case.
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12:24p, 12/20/23


All Colorado Supreme Court justices are Democrat appointees, but those who voted to remove Trump from the ballot went to Harvard, Yale, Penn, and UVA all top 14 law schools.

Those who dissented went to Denver Law School.
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3:46p, 12/20/23
Lol. Traitor Trump is a clown.
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In reply to dajo9 • 6:38p, 12/20/23
dajo9 said:
Lol. Traitor Trump is a clown.
https://www.threads.net/@georgehtakei/post/C1FivkLuDdc/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
LOL, loved the comment about Trump's anchor children from two immigrant wives.
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6:49p, 12/20/23


Grand Theft Colorado
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3:17p, 12/21/23
Not just Colorado - 16 Other States Where President Trump's Enemies are Trying to Kick Him Off the Ballot

The New York Times reports four of these lawsuits in Michigan, Oregon, New Jersey, and Wisconsin have been filed in state courts. Eleven lawsuits in Alaska, Arizona, Nevada, New York, New Mexico, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming have been filed in federal district courts.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 4:50p, 12/21/23
Unit2Sucks said:
tequila4kapp said:
The 5th Amendment (due process guarantees) was ratified in 1791.
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1866.

To the best of my knowledge there was no law on the federal books outlawing insurrections at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified (the Insurrection Act of 1808(?) created a right for the President to send federal troops; it gives the Pres the right to define an insurrection).

It is illogical to think the Constitution should say "convicted of" something that was not a federal crime. A more logical reading is that the founders understood that the 5th Am DP rights applied, otherwise they would have added text to say DP didn't apply to insurrections w/in the 14th Amendment.
Can you point me to the place in the constitution where it says that Colorado owes someone due process? Alternatively, can you point out the place in the constitution where it says the federal government owes a person due process with respect to their name appearing on a ballot in Colorado?

You seem to be cherry-picking from the constitution in order to thread the needle.

I think you probably understand that your arguments don't actually address the merits of the case.


You are correct. I don't think this involves life, liberty or property. Due process is required only with respect to deprivation of one of those three under the constitution. While courts have interpreted this broadly, political process is not one of these.
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10:56a, 12/22/23
Joe Rogan is very credible. In a clip where he bashes the media for not reporting accurately on Biden, he accuses Biden of being unfit for the office because of something Trump said. Once Rogan realizes that it was Biden quoting Trump, he excused the idiotic comment and went back to blaming the media for being inaccurate.

This is the state of the GOP world.


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1:34p, 12/22/23
"We must not allow the Constitution to get in the way of Democracy." - Democrats
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In reply to bear2034 • 10:04p, 12/22/23
bear2034 said:
"We must not allow the Constitution to get in the way of Democracy." - Democrats
Pro-tip: Quote marks imply that someone actually said that.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 11:26a, 12/23/23
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
bear2034 said:
"We must not allow the Constitution to get in the way of Democracy." - Democrats
Pro-tip: Quote marks imply that someone actually said that.
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