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Unit2Sucks said:Pretty sure that Elno revised Twitter's private information policy in order to prevent the behavior he didn't want. Up until that policy change was made, I don't think it was a violation of Twitter's TOS. Some evidence of that is the fact that when Elno suspended the account, Twitter used an entirely different justification.WalterSobchak said:Maybe if you actually wanted to limit the scope to the TOS issue you should've said: "Regardless of legality Musk has the right under the Twitter TOS to suspend the accounts." But you're being disingenuous because that's not and never has been in dispute. sycasey has already acknowledged it at least once. I've never disputed it.BearGoggles said:WalterSobchak said:I assume this was directed at me since you quoted me despite replying to EOB. To be clear, you're asking me to justify the public policy underlying the FAA's ADS-B rules? Why? What does that have to do with the matter and why am I responsible for it? I assume they had some rational basis for their action but I haven't followed that closely. Do you have some specific complaint about that public policy? Why don't you explain why public information that's legal and not tortious isn't free for public dissemination? Is that really a precedent you want to set?BearGoggles said:Logic fails you.Eastern Oregon Bear said:I did as well, but BG continues to repost his same complaints over and over.WalterSobchak said:I covered this a month and a half ago in this very thread when this was happening.BearGoggles said:
What is the point of posting the location of a prominent person (or their plane/car) in REAL TIME?
Your post below (which is consistent with your prior posts that I could find):
"this is FAA mandated information/capability that is publicly available and still being "posted" by numerous sources, some private and some governmental."
The fact that it is publicly available doesn't answer my question - what is the point of posting real time location of a prominent person? I'm not asking how its possible to post the that. I'm not saying it is illegal or tortious.
I'm asking what is the motivation (and really the consequence) of doing so? It is pretty clear the intent is to, at a minimum, harass and the effect is to impose a privacy/security issue. Regardless of legality, I'm saying its wrong and against the TOS of many websites (not just Twitter).
I offered several real-world legitimate uses for flight tracking of public figures upthread. I also gave an (admittedly sarcastic) comparison to telephone books. More savvy individuals nowadays can easily ascertain specific home address information by aggregating online public data sources. Those are far more personal and have a much higher potential for wrongdoing. Still it's legal and not tortious to do so (without more). Here I pointed out that nobody ever called the police regarding the asserted stalking incident in LA. Why would that be? Why aren't you concerned about that and those other more invasive public information sources?
Yes - I was intending to reply to you
Thank you for proving my point that you're not following. I did not ask you to justify the public policy underlying ADS-B rules. My complaint isn't with public policy. It doesn't matter that there are legitimate uses or justifications for the public policy/information.
My point, again, is that broadcasting public geolocation information in real time is problematic, even if legal.
You are 100% correct there are ways to aggregate public information and find a persons identity, residence, place of employment, etc. Yet doing so and publishing that on most websites (i.e., doxxing) is not permitted and generally considered to be inappropriate.
As an example, THIS VERY WEBSITE has the following terms of use:
"Revealing personal information about others will not be tolerated. Bear Insider has a zero tolerance policy for anyone who posts private or defamatory information on this forum without the consent of the parties involved. This includes, but is not limited to, posters on this forum, athletes/staff/officials of University of California, business owners etc."All that said, no one is disputing that Elno, as the owner of Twitter, could modify the TOS and ban whoever he wants. That argument is really a sideshow. Pretending like a violation of the TOS is the justification for deleting the account is disingenuous given that the TOS were modified after the controversy arose. What Elno can't do is grandstand about free speech and pretend like he's some champion here. Some examples of that which have been shown to be ridiculously false:Quote:
Its note to Sweeney about the suspension, which he shared with the AP, said "You may not use Twitter's services in a manner intended to artificially amplify or suppress information or engage in behavior that manipulates or disrupts people's experience on Twitter." But that rationale was different from what Musk explained later Wednesday.
(hilariously, this tweet includes a reference to context from other users)
Quote:
In the letter to Delaware Attorney General Kathy Jennings, Hunter Biden's attorneys accuse computer repair shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac of unauthorized access of the laptop and distributing its contents to the New York Post for a story published in the weeks before the 2020 election. Mac Isaac has said in a memoir and media interviews that he received the laptop at his store from Hunter Biden in 2019.
"This failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation, and manipulation of Mr. Biden's private and personal information. Mr. Mac Isaac's intentional, reckless, and unlawful conduct allowed for hundreds of gigabytes of Mr. Biden's personal data, without any discretion, to be circulated around the Internet," Hunter Biden's attorney Abbe Lowell wrote in the letter.
The letter asks for investigations into Garrett Ziegler, John Paul Mac Isaac, Robert Costello, Rudy Giuliani and Stephen Bannon. CNN has reached out to each of these individuals or their lawyers for comment. CNN has also reached out to the Justice Department, the IRS, and the Delaware attorney general's office.
Here’s the NY Post article on the mysterious mapping procedure Hunter was marketing: https://t.co/r8tXQateMV
— Kingmaker - Big IF! (True) (@KingMakerFT) February 1, 2023
movielover said:
First hapless Biden 'works' for a bank. Then he 'consults' for energy companies in a corrupt nation. Next, investing Billions for CCP Chinese companies. And then mysterious (NSA???) mapping? All in between crack pipe hits.Here’s the NY Post article on the mysterious mapping procedure Hunter was marketing: https://t.co/r8tXQateMV
— Kingmaker - Big IF! (True) (@KingMakerFT) February 1, 2023
scoop: as of mid-January, Twitter only had around 180k paid subscribers in the US, less than .2% of its monetizable monthly active users. with around 290k paying subscribers globally, this would imply just ~$28m in annual revenue — 1% of Twitter's total https://t.co/G3FzrWKreu
— Erin Woo (@erinkwoo) February 6, 2023
The worst offender in US government censorship & media manipulation is an obscure agency called GEChttps://t.co/z6h5975anw
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 6, 2023
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
It is pretty clear:
According to an aide to the senator, Daines' account was suspended due to his profile picture, which had shown Daines and his wife posing while hunting. A separate campaign account for Daines with a different profile picture was unaffected.
A message from Twitter notifying Daines of his suspension, obtained by CNN, shows the company had determined the profile picture violated Twitter's rule against "graphic violence or adult content in profile images...
The intent is to avoid people being forced to see gruesome profile pics."
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
It is pretty clear:
According to an aide to the senator, Daines' account was suspended due to his profile picture, which had shown Daines and his wife posing while hunting. A separate campaign account for Daines with a different profile picture was unaffected.
A message from Twitter notifying Daines of his suspension, obtained by CNN, shows the company had determined the profile picture violated Twitter's rule against "graphic violence or adult content in profile images...
The intent is to avoid people being forced to see gruesome profile pics."
dimitrig said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.
A lot of people find the idea of two yahoos grinning over the carcass of an animal they killed for fun to be sick.
I agree with that. I'm OK with hunting to put food on the table, but hunting to hang something on your wall is just stupid.dimitrig said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
It is pretty clear:
According to an aide to the senator, Daines' account was suspended due to his profile picture, which had shown Daines and his wife posing while hunting. A separate campaign account for Daines with a different profile picture was unaffected.
A message from Twitter notifying Daines of his suspension, obtained by CNN, shows the company had determined the profile picture violated Twitter's rule against "graphic violence or adult content in profile images...
The intent is to avoid people being forced to see gruesome profile pics."
A lot of people find the idea of two yahoos grinning over the carcass of an animal they killed for fun to be sick.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:I agree with that. I'm OK with hunting to put food on the table, but hunting to hang something on your wall is just stupid.dimitrig said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
It is pretty clear:
According to an aide to the senator, Daines' account was suspended due to his profile picture, which had shown Daines and his wife posing while hunting. A separate campaign account for Daines with a different profile picture was unaffected.
A message from Twitter notifying Daines of his suspension, obtained by CNN, shows the company had determined the profile picture violated Twitter's rule against "graphic violence or adult content in profile images...
The intent is to avoid people being forced to see gruesome profile pics."
A lot of people find the idea of two yahoos grinning over the carcass of an animal they killed for fun to be sick.
My not very well expressed point about this photo was that when Elon Musk took over Twitter there were a lot of gleeful posts about the end of censorship on Twitter. Nonsense. We've just traded one version of censorship for Elon Musk's version of censorship. The above image is just the latest example. That's about as family friendly as any hunting photo is going to be. Twitter might as well say posting any hunting photo is grounds for banning that account.
Well, at least you admit both versions are censorship.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:I agree with that. I'm OK with hunting to put food on the table, but hunting to hang something on your wall is just stupid.dimitrig said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yep, that's one gruesome image. I'm glad Elon Musk and Twitter is keeping it from our sensitive eyes.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
I'd be interested in hearing from the Elon Musk worshipers about this "censorship". Twitter banned the account of Sen. Steve Daines of Montana because his profile picture showed the Senator and his wife hunting and posing with a kill showing a small amount of blood. Apparently it was deemed NSFW and thus the account was banned.
Sen. Daines's Twitter account suspended after posting profile picture of himself hunting
It is pretty clear:
According to an aide to the senator, Daines' account was suspended due to his profile picture, which had shown Daines and his wife posing while hunting. A separate campaign account for Daines with a different profile picture was unaffected.
A message from Twitter notifying Daines of his suspension, obtained by CNN, shows the company had determined the profile picture violated Twitter's rule against "graphic violence or adult content in profile images...
The intent is to avoid people being forced to see gruesome profile pics."
A lot of people find the idea of two yahoos grinning over the carcass of an animal they killed for fun to be sick.
My not very well expressed point about this photo was that when Elon Musk took over Twitter there were a lot of gleeful posts about the end of censorship on Twitter. Nonsense. We've just traded one version of censorship for Elon Musk's version of censorship. The above image is just the latest example. That's about as family friendly as any hunting photo is going to be. Twitter might as well say posting any hunting photo is grounds for banning that account.
Your post is nonsense. It isn't a posted picture. It is a profile photo. We traded arbitrary secretive viewpoint based censorship for transparent objective censorship.
.@RepMTG to Yoel Roth: "You permanently banned my Twitter account but you allowed child porn all over Twitter." pic.twitter.com/kshgUbXD8x
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) February 8, 2023
Credit where due - @RepNancyMace just *roasted* Twitter censor boss Vijaya Gadde
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2023
Rep. Mace disclosed she regrets getting the vaccine and now has asthma and chronic heart pain
She calls out Twitter for censoring Harvard & Stanford doctors that didn’t support the vax pic.twitter.com/zDboloN6oZ
Cal88 said:Credit where due - @RepNancyMace just *roasted* Twitter censor boss Vijaya Gadde
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2023
Rep. Mace disclosed she regrets getting the vaccine and now has asthma and chronic heart pain
She calls out Twitter for censoring Harvard & Stanford doctors that didn’t support the vax pic.twitter.com/zDboloN6oZ
dimitrig said:Cal88 said:Credit where due - @RepNancyMace just *roasted* Twitter censor boss Vijaya Gadde
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2023
Rep. Mace disclosed she regrets getting the vaccine and now has asthma and chronic heart pain
She calls out Twitter for censoring Harvard & Stanford doctors that didn’t support the vax pic.twitter.com/zDboloN6oZ
Without knowing who she was I assumed she was a Republican.
Yep, she is a representative from South Carolina.
Weird how mostly RWNJs have all these vaccine side effects.
Interestingly, they are also the ones more likely to die of COVID.
Cal88 said:dimitrig said:Cal88 said:Credit where due - @RepNancyMace just *roasted* Twitter censor boss Vijaya Gadde
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2023
Rep. Mace disclosed she regrets getting the vaccine and now has asthma and chronic heart pain
She calls out Twitter for censoring Harvard & Stanford doctors that didn’t support the vax pic.twitter.com/zDboloN6oZ
Without knowing who she was I assumed she was a Republican.
Yep, she is a representative from South Carolina.
Weird how mostly RWNJs have all these vaccine side effects.
Interestingly, they are also the ones more likely to die of COVID.
45 year old fit woman experiences heart pain.
You think her chronic heart pain is psychosomatic?
Roth says that it would not surprise him if "visibility filters" were placed on the accounts of elected officials without their knowledge.
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) February 8, 2023
Since he placed many of them there himself, he would indeed not be “surprised” lmao
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 9, 2023
I just watched 3 Twitter execs noticeably squirm in their seats when FL Rep @realannapaulina exposed their secret chat forum w/government officials to coordinate censorship
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 8, 2023
It’s called Jira and it makes Twitter a Joint State Actor under the law when they collude this extensively https://t.co/xDowHycG6F
Elon Musk fired a top Twitter engineer over his declining view count
— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) February 9, 2023
“This is ridiculous,” he reportedly said. “I have more than 100 million followers, and I’m only getting tens of thousands of impressions.”https://t.co/eE6butciGG
Wow. Elon fired an engineer who told him he might not be as popular today as he used to be. From @ZoeSchiffer and @CaseyNewton https://t.co/szbcMHl4Zt pic.twitter.com/X9pa4K8OJn
— Jay Yarow (@jyarow) February 9, 2023
Elon Musk was hanging out with Jared Kushner and the Saudis at the World Cup
— Lindy Li (@lindyli) February 13, 2023
Last week he was hanging out with Kevin McCarthy
Now he’s hanging out with Merchant of Death Rupert Murdoch at the Super Bowl
Tell me who you’re in bed with and I will tell you who you are
When will Fox get banned from Twitter for doxxing Elno's location in real time? Remember when conservatives used to pretend this was a thing?dajo9 said:
This is what Elmo Musk bought with TwitterElon Musk was hanging out with Jared Kushner and the Saudis at the World Cup
— Lindy Li (@lindyli) February 13, 2023
Last week he was hanging out with Kevin McCarthy
Now he’s hanging out with Merchant of Death Rupert Murdoch at the Super Bowl
Tell me who you’re in bed with and I will tell you who you are
The NFL just broadcast his assassination coordinates https://t.co/WWEMPAavEM
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 13, 2023
DiabloWags said:
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE???
AunBear89 said:
Riiiiiight. Because a football stadium filled with 10s of thousands of random is much safer than a private jet landing at a federally protected airport and using a private terminal at said airport.
All some allegedly smart people have is false equivalency.