dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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Community pooled their money to pay for her green card—then ICE locked her up in a private prison instead.

Agents detained her when she showed up for final green card appointment—a process that lasted years & cost $16,009.

Family was waiting at her house planning to celebrate… pic.twitter.com/DgNWqAvkZX

— LongTime🤓FirstTime👨‍💻 (@LongTimeHistory) October 5, 2025

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Assuming the headline isn't misleading, I am glad government employees are being cut. Forcing someone to wait 35 years for green card processing is outrageous.

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I don't follow how would cutting more government employees help this process go faster?

What's actually outrageous is arresting and jailing people who are seemingly trying to do it the "right way."

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You're running up against the MAGA fevered dream of fixing everything by destroying it all. There is no plan beyond that. To hell with the consequences.

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He is also running up against my skepticism and sarcasm when presented only one side of the story.

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So I'm guessing your point is that it's the old woman's fault for not getting citizenship before now?

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It would just be nice to get a balanced story on this.

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Sure. I just fail to see how a balanced story would justify taking a woman who has no criminal history and is clearly trying to become a legal resident, whisking her away, and placing her in some far-off detention center. How is that a good immigration process?

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She likely has a criminal history, but it may just be for immigration violations.

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Let's lay down a marker here that when I say "criminal" in this context it means "besides illegal immigration."

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Being in the country without authorization is a civil offense and not a criminal offense. But she had a green card so they are just guessing at justifications at this point. They don't care.

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

SFCityBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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Community pooled their money to pay for her green card—then ICE locked her up in a private prison instead.

Agents detained her when she showed up for final green card appointment—a process that lasted years & cost $16,009.

Family was waiting at her house planning to celebrate… pic.twitter.com/DgNWqAvkZX

— LongTime🤓FirstTime👨‍💻 (@LongTimeHistory) October 5, 2025

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Assuming the headline isn't misleading, I am glad government employees are being cut. Forcing someone to wait 35 years for green card processing is outrageous.

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I don't follow how would cutting more government employees help this process go faster?

What's actually outrageous is arresting and jailing people who are seemingly trying to do it the "right way."

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You're running up against the MAGA fevered dream of fixing everything by destroying it all. There is no plan beyond that. To hell with the consequences.

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He is also running up against my skepticism and sarcasm when presented only one side of the story.

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So I'm guessing your point is that it's the old woman's fault for not getting citizenship before now?

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It would just be nice to get a balanced story on this.

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Sure. I just fail to see how a balanced story would justify taking a woman who has no criminal history and is clearly trying to become a legal resident, whisking her away, and placing her in some far-off detention center. How is that a good immigration process?

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She likely has a criminal history, but it may just be for immigration violations.

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Let's lay down a marker here that when I say "criminal" in this context it means "besides illegal immigration."

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Being in the country without authorization is a civil offense and not a criminal offense. But she had a green card so they are just guessing at justifications at this point. They don't care.

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This statement is only partially true, and that is if she entered the country at a designated specific port of entry. If she entered at a point not so designated, and stayed in the country without authorization, that would be a felony.

Whether or not crossing the border and remaining here is a felony depends also on whether the person had been in the country previously. If she had previously been deported, and then tried to or did enter the country again, she could be charged with a felony.

If she entered at an official port of entry, and provided false information to the Border Patrol, or did not undergo an inspection, and then remained in the country, those also would be charged as felonies.

If she engaged in a fraudulent marriage to gain entry, she could be charged with a felony.

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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Bro have you not seen the video shot by bystanders?

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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Bro have you not seen the video shot by bystanders?

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Nope.

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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Bro have you not seen the video shot by bystanders?

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Nope.

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In general he is a sucker and falls for easily verifiable lies if they are things he wants to believe so I think he has fallen for the video of a separate incident which circulated online with liars saying it was related to the shooting incident. Misinformation is all they have on their side.

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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Bro have you not seen the video shot by bystanders?

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Nope.

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In general he is a sucker and falls for easily verifiable lies if they are things he wants to believe so I think he has fallen for the video of a separate incident which circulated online with liars saying it was related to the shooting incident. Misinformation is all they have on their side.

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I suspect that is the one he saw, but BS88, perhaps you can share the video with us.

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Zippergate said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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Enforce the law, Bukele style.

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Ah, so you do want authoritarian rule. Thanks for confirming!

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What part of "enforce the law" do you not understand? Do you think the law should NOT be enforced?
And after four years of spying, censorship, state-media merging to create nonstop propaganda, and endless pys-ops and false flags, now you're concerned about authoritarianism. Goldfish have better memories.

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Zippergate said:

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"Bukele style."

Violent criminals belong behind bars, not released dozens of times so that they can commit more violent crimes. Crazy ain't it.

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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But hey, if clamping down on crime is what you want, I suggest we go after the ones who attack law enforcement like "la maggie" here...

"she (and others in her group) had been driving erratically around the ICE vehicles, boxing them in, coming inches from them and behaving in a highly threatening fashion even running red lights and driving the wrong way on one way streets to do so before they, wait for it, rammed the ICE vehicle with multiple vehicles of their own. (report on this)
"la maggie," as she is known, was also armed with a 9mm handgun.
this was not "ICE shooting down some nice lady in cold blood." she quite literally and unequivocally violently attacked them."

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-horns-of-the-ice-dilemma

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Oh, and on this . . . might be that the original claims from DHS are false. Let's see what comes out in evidence.

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her late Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney claimed.https://t.co/befmsGuxyN

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) October 6, 2025

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Bro have you not seen the video shot by bystanders?

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Nope.

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In general he is a sucker and falls for easily verifiable lies if they are things he wants to believe so I think he has fallen for the video of a separate incident which circulated online with liars saying it was related to the shooting incident. Misinformation is all they have on their side.

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I suspect that is the one he saw, but BS88, perhaps you can share the video with us.

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I can admit when I'm wrong, that was a different event. My mistake

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movielover said:

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You mean like the genius idea to let violent repeat felons roam the streets?

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