I thought I'd start a thread on the challenges faced by the cop-ial community.

A @RochesterNYPD investigator parked his car in the ambulance bay at Strong, an EMT from @MonroeAmbNY hit the door while unloading a patient.
The investigator insisted on ID, the EMT insisted on bringing the patient inside. This is exclusive video of what happened next ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/2gPVvrokRF

— Jennifer Lewke (@WHEC_JLewke) July 15, 2022

Investigation still ongoing. https://t.co/QT1Q6ruNU7

— Ancommie🏴🏳️‍🌈 (@Ancommiey) July 14, 2022

Law enforcement gets away with too much in our society. Look at the secret service just deleting texts they are supposed to keep.

400 cops is nowhere near enough. Fund more.

Soooo, it takes MORE than 400 good guys with guns to stop ONE bad guy with a gun?

Gun nuts? NRA? RNC? Anyone? Beuller?

So Denver police did a mass shooting, hitting 5 random people, because they decided to fire into a crowd at an armed man. The suspect, on the other hand, didn't fire a shot.https://t.co/ZkkQJyXpAw

— Read Wobblies and Zapatistas (@JoshuaPotash) July 18, 2022

1) SF narrowly elects a mildly reformist DA
2) enraged SFPD stops enforcing the law in response
3) media blames DA for modest increase in crime
4) right-wing big money funds a recall effort, w/centrist assist
5) new DA restores total cop impunityhttps://t.co/9NUHceQkdg

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) July 18, 2022

Terribly sad.

No one wants to be a cop.

No one wants to do their job that they swore an oath to.

The bar continues to be lowered for police recruits.

I hear about it here in the East Bay from law enforcement friends of mine all the time.

The application no longer says, "Have you ever used cocaine?"

It now says . . . "When was the last time that you used cocaine?"

Police academies that start out with 60 candidates are lucky if they have 15 by the end of the class.

Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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That'd be the FBI

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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400 cops is nowhere near enough. Fund more.

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Lawrence O'Donnell devoted a segment to explaining. I will summarize, unless you want to watch.

1. First thing cops heard about the gunman was that he was armed with "an AR".

2. They lacked a "rifle rated protection shield", and thus EVERY ONE OF THEM was afraid to go in there and take him out.

3. Only after shields arrived on scene did they enter.

4. The AR is such a devastating weapon, it stopped all those cops in their tracks.

Viewer Conclusion: maybe we should ban all AR guns!!

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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The last sentence about unfortunate prejudice connects the dots. Black Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than others so cops develop a prejudice against black Americans. Generally, cops also are more likely to have negative encounters with black Americans than other races. This develops or reinforces a stereotype. This goes both ways as black Americans develop a negative stereotype against cops based on their bad behaviors, abuses of power, and negative interactions.

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I dunno man.

With stop and frisk in NYC, cops were far more likely to target people of color, but white people were more likely to have weapons. Who are the bad apples there?

Cops stop black drivers 3x more than white drivers, but are more likely to find drugs and weapons when they stop white drivers. Who are the bad apples there?

The bolded sentence in your comment is doing a lot of work. Maybe if they stopped disproportionately targeting black men, they wouldn't be more likely to have negative encounters with black people.

By the way, if you re-read your initial post in the context of G4R's comment, you might realize that it appears to say that black people are society's bad apples. I do agree that stereotypes are bad and that it appears to be a vicious cycle of police brutality and targeting of black communities that leads to cops having more negative experiences with black people than they otherwise should. I think that mitigations and regulations put in place to curb racial profiling should be effective in reducing these harmful police practices.

oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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The last sentence about unfortunate prejudice connects the dots. Black Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than others so cops develop a prejudice against black Americans. Generally, cops also are more likely to have negative encounters with black Americans than other races. This develops or reinforces a stereotype. This goes both ways as black Americans develop a negative stereotype against cops based on their bad behaviors, abuses of power, and negative interactions.

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I dunno man.

With stop and frisk in NYC, cops were far more likely to target people of color, but white people were more likely to have weapons. Who are the bad apples there?

Cops stop black drivers 3x more than white drivers, but are more likely to find drugs and weapons when they stop white drivers. Who are the bad apples there?

The bolded sentence in your comment is doing a lot of work. Maybe if they stopped disproportionately targeting black men, they wouldn't be more likely to have negative encounters with black people.

By the way, if you re-read your initial post in the context of G4R's comment, you might realize that it appears to say that black people are society's bad apples. I do agree that stereotypes are bad and that it appears to be a vicious cycle of police brutality and targeting of black communities that leads to cops having more negative experiences with black people than they otherwise should. I think that mitigations and regulations put in place to curb racial profiling should be effective in reducing these harmful police practices.

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Some of the reason that cops are more likely to find weapons and drugs on white people per search is because of profiling. Cops may only stop and frisk non-black people when they have actual evidence to make them suspicious. Therefore, they are more likely to find something when searching those people.

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Seems like we both agree that these practices are racist.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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The last sentence about unfortunate prejudice connects the dots. Black Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than others so cops develop a prejudice against black Americans. Generally, cops also are more likely to have negative encounters with black Americans than other races. This develops or reinforces a stereotype. This goes both ways as black Americans develop a negative stereotype against cops based on their bad behaviors, abuses of power, and negative interactions.

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I dunno man.

With stop and frisk in NYC, cops were far more likely to target people of color, but white people were more likely to have weapons. Who are the bad apples there?

Cops stop black drivers 3x more than white drivers, but are more likely to find drugs and weapons when they stop white drivers. Who are the bad apples there?

The bolded sentence in your comment is doing a lot of work. Maybe if they stopped disproportionately targeting black men, they wouldn't be more likely to have negative encounters with black people.

By the way, if you re-read your initial post in the context of G4R's comment, you might realize that it appears to say that black people are society's bad apples. I do agree that stereotypes are bad and that it appears to be a vicious cycle of police brutality and targeting of black communities that leads to cops having more negative experiences with black people than they otherwise should. I think that mitigations and regulations put in place to curb racial profiling should be effective in reducing these harmful police practices.

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Some of the reason that cops are more likely to find weapons and drugs on white people per search is because of profiling. Cops may only stop and frisk non-black people when they have actual evidence to make them suspicious. Therefore, they are more likely to find something when searching those people.

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Seems like we both agree that these practices are racist.

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Many times yes. Sometimes it is logical. When I am alone and someone regardless of what race is walking towards me with baggy clothes and a beanie covering their entire body in 80 degree heat, I get nervous. More often than not, that person is black, even if there are hardly any black people living in that neighborhood. Many black Americans have developed a fashion modeled off of what criminals wear and then act surprised when they get stopped and frisked. It's tough both ways.

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Are you saying cops can be racist because you get nervous around black people?

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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The last sentence about unfortunate prejudice connects the dots. Black Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than others so cops develop a prejudice against black Americans. Generally, cops also are more likely to have negative encounters with black Americans than other races. This develops or reinforces a stereotype. This goes both ways as black Americans develop a negative stereotype against cops based on their bad behaviors, abuses of power, and negative interactions.

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I dunno man.

With stop and frisk in NYC, cops were far more likely to target people of color, but white people were more likely to have weapons. Who are the bad apples there?

Cops stop black drivers 3x more than white drivers, but are more likely to find drugs and weapons when they stop white drivers. Who are the bad apples there?

The bolded sentence in your comment is doing a lot of work. Maybe if they stopped disproportionately targeting black men, they wouldn't be more likely to have negative encounters with black people.

By the way, if you re-read your initial post in the context of G4R's comment, you might realize that it appears to say that black people are society's bad apples. I do agree that stereotypes are bad and that it appears to be a vicious cycle of police brutality and targeting of black communities that leads to cops having more negative experiences with black people than they otherwise should. I think that mitigations and regulations put in place to curb racial profiling should be effective in reducing these harmful police practices.

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Some of the reason that cops are more likely to find weapons and drugs on white people per search is because of profiling. Cops may only stop and frisk non-black people when they have actual evidence to make them suspicious. Therefore, they are more likely to find something when searching those people.

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Seems like we both agree that these practices are racist.

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Many times yes. Sometimes it is logical. When I am alone and someone regardless of what race is walking towards me with baggy clothes and a beanie covering their entire body in 80 degree heat, I get nervous. More often than not, that person is black, even if there are hardly any black people living in that neighborhood. Many black Americans have developed a fashion modeled off of what criminals wear and then act surprised when they get stopped and frisked. It's tough both ways.

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Example A : whitesplaining

oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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Does the application ask if one identifies/associates/co mingles with racist/fascists/white supremacists ?

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I am guessing just like society's bad apples grow to hate cops, cops grow to hate society's bad apples. There is unfortunate prejudice on both sides.

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Please connect the dots between cops identifying as "racist/fascists/white supremacists" and "cops grow to hate society's bad apples."

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The last sentence about unfortunate prejudice connects the dots. Black Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than others so cops develop a prejudice against black Americans. Generally, cops also are more likely to have negative encounters with black Americans than other races. This develops or reinforces a stereotype. This goes both ways as black Americans develop a negative stereotype against cops based on their bad behaviors, abuses of power, and negative interactions.

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I dunno man.

With stop and frisk in NYC, cops were far more likely to target people of color, but white people were more likely to have weapons. Who are the bad apples there?

Cops stop black drivers 3x more than white drivers, but are more likely to find drugs and weapons when they stop white drivers. Who are the bad apples there?

The bolded sentence in your comment is doing a lot of work. Maybe if they stopped disproportionately targeting black men, they wouldn't be more likely to have negative encounters with black people.

By the way, if you re-read your initial post in the context of G4R's comment, you might realize that it appears to say that black people are society's bad apples. I do agree that stereotypes are bad and that it appears to be a vicious cycle of police brutality and targeting of black communities that leads to cops having more negative experiences with black people than they otherwise should. I think that mitigations and regulations put in place to curb racial profiling should be effective in reducing these harmful police practices.

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Some of the reason that cops are more likely to find weapons and drugs on white people per search is because of profiling. Cops may only stop and frisk non-black people when they have actual evidence to make them suspicious. Therefore, they are more likely to find something when searching those people.

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Or it could just be bias on the part of the police and the legal system. Take for instance the use of marijuana. When it was illegal there was no difference in the use rates of marijuana when comparing whites and blacks yet blacks were more likely to be arrested. When arrested guess who got prison and who got drug diversion programs. We again saw this in the 80s and 90s with cocaine. Whites were usually caught with powder while blacks with crack guess who got lighter sentences or a drug diversion program and who got prison for the same amounts? Sentencing guidelines didn't change until crack became more prevalent in white communities.

I grew up in the 1960's and early 70's in Oakland. OPD were mean as f@uck in those days and I was afraid of them. BTW, my maternal grandfather was OPD. He retired in 1940 (he was born in 1880 and he was 40 when my Mom was born).
He wore a thick watch in his breast pocket. While investigating a burglary, he got shot. The watch saved his life. My Mom gave me the watch. I will give it to my son some day. The watch:

This is the #Oakland TN police arrest of #BrandonCalloway for allegedly FAILING TO STOP AT A STOP SIGN and DRIVING 32 mph in a 20 mph zone while delivering for @DoorDash (who won’t comment #BoycottDoorDash).

Armed white mass murderers don’t get treated like this by police. pic.twitter.com/jwZQ7rTtge

— Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) July 20, 2022