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In reply to oski003 • 6:19p, 2/18/23
Yet you defend them at every turn.


You can lie to yourself all you want, but don't waste your time lying to everyone else. We see your post history and it's pretty obvious where you stand.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to AunBear89 • 6:35p, 2/18/23
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Yet you defend them at every turn.


You can lie to yourself all you want, but don't waste your time lying to everyone else. We see your post history and it's pretty obvious where you stand.


You ignorantly assume all sorts of false negative things because I defend or rationalize some actions of police officers? You are messed up.
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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:31a, 2/19/23
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7:23a, 2/19/23
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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5:15p, 2/19/23
18-year-old arrested for fatally shooting Philadelphia cop in the head



https://mol.im/a/11769535
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10:41a, 2/20/23
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In reply to bearister • 10:42a, 2/20/23
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18-year-old arrested for fatally shooting Philadelphia cop in the head



https://mol.im/a/11769535


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In reply to going4roses • 12:48p, 2/20/23
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Stop.resisting.arrest
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In reply to oski003 • 2:39p, 2/20/23
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going4roses said:


Stop.resisting.arrest
Lawful arrest requires probable cause. Reasonable suspicion does not allow custodial arrest. Stop and frisk does not mean bodyslam first, ask questions later. Free crim pro seminar for you, you're welcome.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 2:51p, 2/20/23
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oski003 said:
going4roses said:


Stop.resisting.arrest
Lawful arrest requires probable cause. Reasonable suspicion does not allow custodial arrest. Stop and frisk does not mean bodyslam first, ask questions later. Free crim pro seminar for you, you're welcome.


https://www.seattle.gov/opa/programs/community-engagement/know-your-rights/police-stopped-me-on-the-street

"What are officers allowed to do during a street stop?
When officers detain someone on the street, they may take steps that are proportional to the crime they suspect them of committing.

For example, officers may hold an armed robbery suspect at gunpoint, place them in handcuffs, and frisk them. They can take these extreme steps because it's reasonable to think an armed robbery suspect is armed and might do something violent. It would not be permitted to do so when someone is just jaywalking.

When can officers arrest me during a stop?

If you physically obstruct the officers, such as by attempting to run away or refusing to follow their directions."

Free crim pro seminar for you. You are welcome.
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In reply to oski003 • 3:14p, 2/20/23
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 4:54p, 2/20/23
….but I have to admit, when top law firms have one of their associates (aka @ssholesh@its) research and write an article on a specific area of law (i.e. easements, insurance coverage for fallen trees, etc,) to post on the firm's website for marketing purposes, it is a great source of free research. I always double checked the law and Shepardized the cited cases to cover my arse. I assume the good criminal defense firms do the same.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 7:31p, 2/20/23
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
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In reply to oski003 • 8:01p, 2/20/23
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 9:19p, 2/20/23
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.


What was his warrant for? He was not talking calmly. The video just starts with him telling the cop call my sister in Florida, don't do this, call my sister right now. Is there more context? What is he referring to when he says, "don't do this?". Is there a video that starts earlier in the sequence of events? Also, at least I am quoting an actual source as opposed to just calling myself an expert.
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In reply to oski003 • 9:25p, 2/20/23
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.


What was his warrant for? He was not talking calmly. The video just starts with him telling the cop call my sister in Florida, don't do this, call my sister right now. Is there more context? What is he referring to when he says, "don't do this?". Is there a video that starts earlier in the sequence of events? Also, at least I am quoting an actual source as opposed to just calling myself an expert.
He was not talking calmly? You're delusional. He says he was at the Western Union, just call my sister, you've got a cell phone, don't do this. He's pleading for the officer to use common sense and readily available methods to corroborate his story BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY'VE GOT THE WRONG GUY. At this point, he gets jumped from behind.

EDIT: Everyone here with any legal experience knows the primary case I'm citing. I'll let them post it for you.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 9:34p, 2/20/23
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.


What was his warrant for? He was not talking calmly. The video just starts with him telling the cop call my sister in Florida, don't do this, call my sister right now. Is there more context? What is he referring to when he says, "don't do this?". Is there a video that starts earlier in the sequence of events? Also, at least I am quoting an actual source as opposed to just calling myself an expert.
He was not talking calmly? You're delusional. He says he was at the Western Union, just call my sister, you've got a cell phone, don't do this. He's pleading for the officer to use common sense and readily available methods to corroborate his story BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY'VE GOT THE WRONG GUY. At this point, he gets jumped from behind.

EDIT: Everyone here with any legal experience knows the primary case I'm citing. I'll let them post it for you.


Don't do what? What is he telling the officer not to do? Innocent and guilty people regularly plead that they have the wrong guy. If it wasn't some "contemporaneous crime," which you stated as fact, what does him being at the Western Union have to do with anything?
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In reply to oski003 • 9:39p, 2/20/23
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.


What was his warrant for? He was not talking calmly. The video just starts with him telling the cop call my sister in Florida, don't do this, call my sister right now. Is there more context? What is he referring to when he says, "don't do this?". Is there a video that starts earlier in the sequence of events? Also, at least I am quoting an actual source as opposed to just calling myself an expert.
He was not talking calmly? You're delusional. He says he was at the Western Union, just call my sister, you've got a cell phone, don't do this. He's pleading for the officer to use common sense and readily available methods to corroborate his story BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY'VE GOT THE WRONG GUY. At this point, he gets jumped from behind.

EDIT: Everyone here with any legal experience knows the primary case I'm citing. I'll let them post it for you.


Don't do what? What is he telling the officer not to do? Innocent and guilty people regularly plead that they have the wrong guy. If it wasn't some "contemporaneous crime," which you stated as fact, what does him being at the Western Union have to do with anything?
How are you possibly this slow?
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 8:43a, 2/21/23
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
oski003 said:
WalterSobchak said:
I get my crim pro from statutes and cases, not websites. This may come as a surprise to you, but websites aren't very reliable legal sources.


Can you cite some holdings that contradict the city of Seattle?
Yes I can. Can you cite any in support?

Also, it's important to note that even the text I assume you copied doesn't support what was done in this video. Here, the man was misidentified as having an outstanding warrant. He was not suspected of any contemporaneous crime, let alone a violent crime or possession of a weapon. Moreover, he never resisted arrest. He was talking calmly with one officer when another officer approached from behind and detained him forcefully and bodyslammed him without any other interaction. So whatever case(s) you cite should specifically endorse this conduct.


What was his warrant for? He was not talking calmly. The video just starts with him telling the cop call my sister in Florida, don't do this, call my sister right now. Is there more context? What is he referring to when he says, "don't do this?". Is there a video that starts earlier in the sequence of events? Also, at least I am quoting an actual source as opposed to just calling myself an expert.
He was not talking calmly? You're delusional. He says he was at the Western Union, just call my sister, you've got a cell phone, don't do this. He's pleading for the officer to use common sense and readily available methods to corroborate his story BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY'VE GOT THE WRONG GUY. At this point, he gets jumped from behind.

EDIT: Everyone here with any legal experience knows the primary case I'm citing. I'll let them post it for you.


Don't do what? What is he telling the officer not to do? Innocent and guilty people regularly plead that they have the wrong guy. If it wasn't some "contemporaneous crime," which you stated as fact, what does him being at the Western Union have to do with anything?
How are you possibly this slow?
Sheesh! When I pull that kind of pedantic behavior on him, he gets all hostile and abusive.
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1:03p, 2/21/23

The Uplands off of Old Tunnel Road yesterday.
I drove past this mess.

PG&E must have had over a dozen trucks and crews working on this for 4 hours.

Garbage truck takes down power poles, lines in Berkeley (berkeleyscanner.com)
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In reply to okaydo • 4:04p, 2/21/23
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003 will tell us the two year old should have complied.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to AunBear89 • 4:13p, 2/21/23
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okaydo said:


003 will tell us the two year old should have complied.


Can you point me to the article where a cop purposely shot a two year old? If so, did they get charged with murder? Someone with brain cells can differentiate the points I am making with a situation where a cop murders a toddler. It is not cute to frame me as advocating for toddler murder because you are too biased to understand the difficulty cops have dealing with actual criminals and unruly suspects.
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In reply to oski003 • 4:19p, 2/21/23
You are implying a nuance to your position that has never been evident in any of your fan boy posts praising the police.
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You are implying a nuance to your position that has never been evident in any of your fan boy posts praising the police.


You make poor inferences based on your bigotry.
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In reply to oski003 • 5:47p, 2/21/23
And you seem confused by the words "inference " and "bigotry."
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In reply to AunBear89 • 6:11p, 2/21/23
AunBear89 said:
And you seem confused by the words "inference " and "bigotry."


And you seem confused by the words "seem" and "confused." Darsh!
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:15p, 2/21/23
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The Uplands off of Old Tunnel Road yesterday.
I drove past this mess.

PG&E must have had over a dozen trucks and crews working on this for 4 hours.

Garbage truck takes down power poles, lines in Berkeley (berkeleyscanner.com)


Emily Raguso of Berkeley Scanner (she was formerly with Berkeleyside) is my favorite Bay Area criminal news journalist. You get the straight facts from her. She is a Cal Bear.

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In reply to oski003 • 7:26p, 2/21/23
Your debate skills aren't even middle school level. The old joke about a battle of wits with an unarmed foe comes to mind.
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In reply to okaydo • 7:53a, 2/23/23
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This is sad. Please stop resisting.

Tenth Judicial District Attorney Jeff Chostner in October chose not to charge the deputies in connection to Ward's death because he found they justifiably feared for their lives and acted reasonably. In interviews with investigators, McWhorter said Ward was grabbing his duty belt and he feared Ward would take his gun.

I wonder if there is a good way to secure guns so both officers can fire them right away if necessary, and they don't fear those wrestling with them from taking their guns and shooting them...
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