AunBear89 said:
Do you see Soros in the room with you now?
That would be difficult, as he's currently hiding behind Hunter Biden.
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That would be difficult, as he's currently hiding behind Hunter Biden.
Big C said:AunBear89 said:
Do you see Soros in the room with you now?
That would be difficult, as he's currently hiding behind Hunter Biden.
Hunter is too busy loving his dead brother's wife.
AunBear89 said:
Do you see Soros in the room with you now?
Left-Wing Dark Money Behemoth Behind Bail Fund for 'Free Palestine' Bridge Blockershttps://t.co/vriY8ogOoN
— Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) April 15, 2024
Yes, we're planning on the next bridge to block this weekend.
bear2034 said:Big C said:AunBear89 said:
Do you see Soros in the room with you now?
That would be difficult, as he's currently hiding behind Hunter Biden.
Hunter is too busy loving his dead brother's wife.
I thought that was supposed to be Hillary and Vince Foster's wife, no? Hard to keep track!
Big C said:bear2034 said:Big C said:AunBear89 said:
Do you see Soros in the room with you now?
That would be difficult, as he's currently hiding behind Hunter Biden.
Hunter is too busy loving his dead brother's wife.
I thought that was supposed to be Hillary and Vince Foster's wife, no? Hard to keep track!
I'm pretty sure Hunter is in love with his sister in law.
bear2034 said:So when do we have the conversation about George Soros funding protests in our country every election season?
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) April 26, 2024
A Hungarian oligarch, who assisted the Nazis in rounding up Jews in WW2, has extreme influence over our politicians, District Attorneys, Judges, media, and funds all… pic.twitter.com/5KY5ktdUyZ
When was the last true grassroots protest from the center left?
It's ongoing now. The notion that these students and faculty members are risking their careers because uncle George is paying them is a bit out there.
"There is a fairly high likelihood I will be fired today...I can't sit here and watch this anymore."
— Jeff Melnick (@melnickjeffrey1) April 26, 2024
Chills. https://t.co/FY3UTT9fFT
This kind of proves that right-wing people are just as prone as the left of being manipulated.
Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
When was the last true grassroots protest from the center left?
It's ongoing now. The notion that these students and faculty members are risking their careers because uncle George is paying them is a bit out there.
This kind of proves that right-wing people are just as prone as the left of being manipulated.
Not everyone is on the payroll but the professional agitators and organizers are. The fact that Soros is hardly mentioned in mainstream news narratives leads me to believe that we are all being manipulated.
I can see that. We have tendency to have a hyper awareness to the oppressed/colonized... justifiably to a fault in some folks eyes
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I get it. There's no debate in my eyes - the Palestinian people are oppressed. They face oppression from the Israeli government, but also from Hamas and every sponsor of terrorism. They were previously oppressed by the PLO, etc.going4roses said:
I can see that. We have tendency to have a hyper awareness to the oppressed/colonized... justifiably to a fault in some folks eyes
I don't think the colonizer model fits what's happened at all though - if the middle eastern terrorists got what they wanted (all jewish people killed, state of Israel destroyed), the Palestinian people will continue to be oppressed since they face it from all sides. The Jewish people obviously faced persecution throughout history, including by people who colonized Israel and committed genocide. That's not an excuse for what's happened, I just don't think it's reasonable or fair for anyone to claim that Israel is the sole source of Palestinian oppression. The Palestinian people have been leveraged for generations by powers in the middle east as a weapon against Israel and the Jewish people.
Unfortunately, oppression is endemic throughout the middle east with groups in every single country facing oppression. If Israel falls, I can guarantee you it will not be replaced with a democratic state governed by, for and of the Palestinian people but rather one that continues to oppress them to the advantage of some other authoritarian regime.
Unit2Sucks said:I get it. There's no debate in my eyes - the Palestinian people are oppressed. They face oppression from the Israeli government, but also from Hamas and every sponsor of terrorism. They were previously oppressed by the PLO, etc.going4roses said:
I can see that. We have tendency to have a hyper awareness to the oppressed/colonized... justifiably to a fault in some folks eyes
I don't think the colonizer model fits what's happened at all though - if the middle eastern terrorists got what they wanted (all jewish people killed, state of Israel destroyed), the Palestinian people will continue to be oppressed since they face it from all sides. The Jewish people obviously faced persecution throughout history, including by people who colonized Israel and committed genocide. That's not an excuse for what's happened, I just don't think it's reasonable or fair for anyone to claim that Israel is the sole source of Palestinian oppression. The Palestinian people have been leveraged for generations by powers in the middle east as a weapon against Israel and the Jewish people.
Unfortunately, oppression is endemic throughout the middle east with groups in every single country facing oppression. If Israel falls, I can guarantee you it will not be replaced with a democratic state governed by, for and of the Palestinian people but rather one that continues to oppress them to the advantage of some other authoritarian regime.
The U.S. should be out of the middle east. Completely.
With President Trump's pro-energy policies, that was doable.
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This would earn a statement denouncing it from the president of the United States and the Speaker of the House if it wasn’t aimed at pro-Palestine protesters https://t.co/IMiXoUszwX
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) April 26, 2024
There are fine people on both sides of the debate. I said the quiet part out loud so Biden doesn't have to just in case the media and the Republicans lose their minds and take his statements out of context and use them for political purposes. Will Biden condemn the antisemitism in our country though?
NEW: Cal Poly Humboldt campus *closes* through the end of the semester as students have seized multiple buildings on campus.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) April 27, 2024
Siemens Hall and Nelson Hall East have been barricaded and taken over by pro-Palestine protesters.
The buildings are completely trashed with graffiti… pic.twitter.com/rFobgUyIPk
Israel open to discussing "sustainable calm" in Gaza after initial hostage release: officials
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
Question
Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
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Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
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Israel supporters -- after spending months falsely claiming it was happening -- finally found someone on a US college campus who yelled "Kill the Jews."
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 28, 2024
Unfortunately for their enduring victimization and censorship campaign, it was yelled by a pro-Israel activist. Another hoax. https://t.co/QHcVFJBA05
Karen has a breakdown because she stumbled across a Palestine protest at Northwestern while walking her dog
— HOT SPOT (@HotSpotHotSpot) April 28, 2024
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Sorry B, but this is a bizarre lens through which to evaluate the response. Palestine engaged in a terrorist and militarist attack on Israel. It's not like they stole $5 and Israel stole $300 back. Palestine's "government" (whatever you want to call Hamas along with its foreign backers) aims to destroy Israel and 10/7 wasn't meant to be a one time thing. It wasn't an accident or mistake.bearister said:
Israel open to discussing "sustainable calm" in Gaza after initial hostage release: officials
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
Question
Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
Israel's not just looking for 'justice" whatever that could mean - their goal is to dismantle Hamas and Palestine's military capabilities so that they no longer pose a threat to Israel or its population. It turns out that because Hamas hides among civilians, this can't be fought like a normal war. Hamas isn't complying with the Geneva Convention and it would be impossible for Israel to protect its sovereignty without disproportional civilian casualties.
Any comparison between the number dead in Gaza (whatever it is, I put no faith in Hamas' made up numbers) and the civilians killed on 10/7 is pointless. Hamas continues to wage war against Israel. They (along with Iran, Hezbollah and others) continue to launch offensive attacks against Israel. They remain committed to destroying Israel, so why would Israel just stop because some arbitrary made up number is publicized?
Everyone who cares about the Palestinian people should see that they have been failed by their militant leaders (and foreign enablers). Pretending like Israel is entitled to kill x people because y people were raped and killed is not consistent with international law or any other moral code.
Israel can and should do a much better job protecting Palestinian civilians from the war with Hamas (and others). Obviously that's complicated by the way Hamas (and others) operate, but it's clear that Israel has made too many mistakes and that they continue to happen. I don't know what the number is but I know it would be a hell of a lot lower if Hamas wasn't intentionally endangering Palestinians. But that won't change because Hamas DGAF what happens to Palestinians and never has. They got what they wanted - a war that Russia, Iran and others could use to distract from Ukraine and help turn the tide against Israel and Jewish people.
The USA lost around 2,500 people at Pearl Harbor and around 3,000 on 9/11. How many people did we kill in fighting the resulting wars? Literally hundreds of thousands.bearister said:
Israel open to discussing "sustainable calm" in Gaza after initial hostage release: officials
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
Question
Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
This is a war, not a video game. In a war, you win when the other side surrenders or, at a minimum, when your security has been restored.
Israel has blundered by not just finishing the job weeks ago. Had Biden given his full support, they would have. But instead, with all the constraints he has placed on tactics and weaponry, Biden refuses to let Israel or Ukraine win.
Well one of you is basically saying there is no limit to how many civilians you can kill in the quest to destroy Hamas, and the other views October 7 as equivalent to one of the Axis Powers making it's first move on America in its quest for world domination.
You're entitled to your opinions.
*BTW, the countless thousands killed in the pretextual Iraq Invasion had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with the Neocon (Dick Cheney/Paul Wofowitz) wet dream of controlling the Middle East.
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You're entitled to your opinions.
*BTW, the countless thousands killed in the pretextual Iraq Invasion had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with the Neocon (Dick Cheney/Paul Wofowitz) wet dream of controlling the Middle East.
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BearGoggles said:The USA lost around 2,500 people at Pearl Harbor and around 3,000 on 9/11. How many people did we kill in fighting the resulting wars? Literally hundreds of thousands.bearister said:
Israel open to discussing "sustainable calm" in Gaza after initial hostage release: officials
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
Question
Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
This is a war, not a video game. In a war, you win when the other side surrenders or, at a minimum, when your security has been restored.
Israel has blundered by not just finishing the job weeks ago. Had Biden given his full support, they would have. But instead, with all the constraints he has placed on tactics and weaponry, Biden refuses to let Israel or Ukraine win.
Are you saying that you don't find Israel's response to October 7 to be overly blunt and disproportionate?
Because I believe in the idea of the state of Israel and I want to be on their side on this, but c'mon, man.
Unclear to me how Israel can actually "win" this war at this point. Hamas maintains high levels of support among the "civilian" population in Gaza and still has its foreign leaders and sovereign supporters, all of whom would rather score points against Israel than spare civilian Palestinians. And given that Israel has less than zero support from other Middle Eastern nations despite the fake and meaningless peace treaties it signed, it's got to do it alone.BearGoggles said:
Israel has blundered by not just finishing the job weeks ago. Had Biden given his full support, they would have. But instead, with all the constraints he has placed on tactics and weaponry, Biden refuses to let Israel or Ukraine win.
This looks like Vietnam to me.
And IMO this was all foreseeable when the whole operation started. But Bibi and crew have tunnel vision. It's always been their problem.Unit2Sucks said:Unclear to me how Israel can actually "win" this war at this point. Hamas maintains high levels of support among the "civilian" population in Gaza and still has its foreign leaders and sovereign supporters, all of whom would rather score points against Israel than spare civilian Palestinians. And given that Israel has less than zero support from other Middle Eastern nations despite the fake and meaningless peace treaties it signed, it's got to do it alone.BearGoggles said:
Israel has blundered by not just finishing the job weeks ago. Had Biden given his full support, they would have. But instead, with all the constraints he has placed on tactics and weaponry, Biden refuses to let Israel or Ukraine win.
This looks like Vietnam to me.
Big C said:BearGoggles said:The USA lost around 2,500 people at Pearl Harbor and around 3,000 on 9/11. How many people did we kill in fighting the resulting wars? Literally hundreds of thousands.bearister said:
Israel open to discussing "sustainable calm" in Gaza after initial hostage release: officials
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/27/israel-gaza-ceasefire-humanitarian-hostage-release
Question
Netanyahu at one point justified the severity of Israel's response to the October 7 terror attack by stating that 1200 Israelis being murdered is equivalent, proportion wise, to 30,000 Americans being murdered on 9/11.
His logic has a problem when applied to the invasion of Gaza. Killing 34,000 residents of Gaza, proportionally, is equivalent to over 140,000 Israelis being killed.
Couldn't have Netanyahu returned Israel to the pre October 7 security status quo without this disproportionate response?
*An eye for an eye proportional response would have been 300 Gaza resident's deaths. Regardless of how firm you think the retaliation should have been, 300 deaths to 34,000 deaths is a large gap for any argument to bridge.
This is a war, not a video game. In a war, you win when the other side surrenders or, at a minimum, when your security has been restored.
Israel has blundered by not just finishing the job weeks ago. Had Biden given his full support, they would have. But instead, with all the constraints he has placed on tactics and weaponry, Biden refuses to let Israel or Ukraine win.
Are you saying that you don't find Israel's response to October 7 to be overly blunt and disproportionate?
Because I believe in the idea of the state of Israel and I want to be on their side on this, but c'mon, man.
Alan Dershowitz was on Maria Baritomo's show and he said there have been "fewer civilian casualties in proportion to combatants than any country in modern history." I don't know what the real casualty numbers are but do you think the U.S. did a much better job when we were bombing and drone striking the Middle East?
Are all Hamas, Muslims?
Israel has been illegally stealing land from people through "settlements" for its entire existence. We don't want allies like that.
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.
The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.
Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
🇮🇱🇺🇸 Pro Israel supporters at UCLA deploy a backpack of mice reportedly injected with some kind of chemical substance in what appears to be a chemical weapons attack pic.twitter.com/WcAKwJ7nPk
— HOT SPOT (@HotSpotHotSpot) April 29, 2024
The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
CaliforniaEternal said:The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
Why?
dajo9 said:CaliforniaEternal said:The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
Why?
20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.
CaliforniaEternal said:dajo9 said:CaliforniaEternal said:The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
Why?
20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.
Not a critical concern for the U.S.
You should be more concerned about the drought limiting traffic through the Panama Canal but you probably don't want to lift a finger for climate change.
CaliforniaEternal said:dajo9 said:CaliforniaEternal said:The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
Why?
20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.
Dajo9 is making a pretty serious allegation against you. Out of curiosity, have you wanted to lift a finger for climate change in the past? Will you want to lift a finger for climate change in the future?
CaliforniaEternal said:dajo9 said:CaliforniaEternal said:The notion that the US can avoid a presence in the Middle East is asylum-level delusion. It takes a two second look at Google Maps to realize that without security there, the world economy can't function.dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
Humanitarians like the Ayatollah and college kids agree.The leader of the most brutal, oppressive police state in the world—where police beat, rape, torture, and shoot out the eyes of protestors—tweets that people in west are waking up to Israel and America. He’s not wrong, is he? While the world remains asleep to the daily mass… pic.twitter.com/7Zk4KdsiC1
— Elica Le Bon الیکا ل بن (@elicalebon) April 28, 2024
Imagine if our kids ever found out what happens in the Middle East outside of Israel.Quote:
It's also worth noting that the Supreme Leader is tweeting on a platform which is banned in Iran, praising free speech and free assembly that is also illegal in Iran, and celebrating protestors abroad while lynching them at home.
We don't want allies like that either. Get out of the middle east. It only drags us down. We don't have to choose sides in a fight between *******s.
Why?
20-30% of the world's shipping container traffic moves between the Red Sea. There is no reasonable alternative to the Suez Canal for a large part of the world's trade.
The northern/arctic route is emerging as an alternative for maritime trade between Asia and Europe, it is roughly one third shorter than through the Red Sea.
This being said, what we are seeing now is that it is Israel that is destabilizing the region. The Houthis' main condition for stopping their disruption on Bab-al-Mandab traffic is for Israel to lift its medieval starvation blockade on Gaza.
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