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11:41a, 6/9/24
Did someone run crying to his mommy er the mods?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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8:54p, 6/10/24
How to think through the moral tangle in Gaza

https://www.pressreader.com/philippines/business-world/20240604/281655375213366

*I assume both Israelis and Palestinians hate that opinion piece, like they both hated Spielberg's film, Munich. Does that mean both are fair?
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:43a, 6/11/24
240+ dead, over 600 wounded. And apparently US Delta Forces were involved.

If Israel has one of the best militaries in the world, who are we providing special forces? They can't help themselves?
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In reply to bearister • 4:54a, 6/11/24
bearister said:
How to think through the moral tangle in Gaza

When the Queers for Palestine are blocking Pride parades, there's a lot that needs to be untangled.
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In reply to movielover • 10:02a, 6/11/24
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240+ dead, over 600 wounded. And apparently US Delta Forces were involved.

If Israel has one of the best militaries in the world, who are we providing special forces? They can't help themselves?

You sound like a disturbed UN official that parrots Hamas lies.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 10:21a, 6/11/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
movielover said:
240+ dead, over 600 wounded. And apparently US Delta Forces were involved.

If Israel has one of the best militaries in the world, who are we providing special forces? They can't help themselves?

You sound like a disturbed UN official that parrots Hamas lies.

Pretty sure he is not the one doing the lying in this thread.

IDF spokeseman: 'The IDF has the highest moral qualities among the armies of the world, and this latest operation has confirmed that'

Here is a footage from this latest IDF operation (warning - graphic footage featuring many victims)
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:59a, 6/11/24
Next time you take hostages, use a real prison and don't keep them in residential areas.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 11:29a, 6/11/24
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Next time you take hostages, use a real prison and don't keep them in residential areas.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html
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In reply to Cal88 • 4:42p, 6/11/24
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 7:55p, 6/11/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

40,000 lives later, and counting, it's pretty clear who the terrorist group is.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:37p, 6/11/24
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

40,000 lives later, and counting, it's pretty clear who the terrorist group is.

You will fail to establish your caliphate and Marxist paradises. It is comical how you cheerlead for a jihadist society that would love to eliminate you. The useful idiot comrades are alive and well, cheerleading for a cause that will devour them in due time.

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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 5:03a, 6/12/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

40,000 lives later, and counting, it's pretty clear who the terrorist group is.

You will fail to establish your caliphate and Marxist paradises. It is comical how you cheerlead for a jihadist society that would love to eliminate you. The useful idiot comrades are alive and well, cheerleading for a cause that will devour them in due time.

Post-9/11 propaganda is not quite as effective in the 2020s. In your zionist dystopia, it's OK for your IDF snipers to shoot old ladies outside their churches.




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In reply to Cal88 • 11:04a, 6/12/24
Cal88 said:


Why isn't Hamas accepting the current peace deal?

"A deal was on the table that was virtually identical to a proposal that Hamas put forward on May 6 a deal that the entire world is behind, a deal Israel has accepted. And Hamas could have answered with a single word: Yes," Blinken said.

Instead, "Hamas has proposed numerous changes to the proposal that was on the table. We discussed those changes last night with Egyptian colleagues, and today with the prime minister," Blinken said. "Some of the changes are workable. Some are not."
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In reply to oski003 • 11:14a, 6/12/24
oski003 said:
Cal88 said:


Why isn't Hamas accepting the current peace deal?

"A deal was on the table that was virtually identical to a proposal that Hamas put forward on May 6 a deal that the entire world is behind, a deal Israel has accepted. And Hamas could have answered with a single word: Yes," BLINKEN SAID.

Instead, "Hamas has proposed numerous changes to the proposal that was on the table. We discussed those changes last night with Egyptian colleagues, and today with the prime minister," BLINKEN SAID. "Some of the changes are workable. Some are not."

I don't think you believe Blinken's version on the Hunter laptop as a Russian psyop. You should probably be at least as skeptical on his attempt to cover for the Netanyahu govt.



Even if Hamas rejected that deal, you seem to believe that the operation that killed over 270 people -including 3 Israeli hostages- in order to liberate 4 hostages is not incredibly stupid and cruel,
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:39a, 6/12/24
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

40,000 lives later, and counting, it's pretty clear who the terrorist group is.

You will fail to establish your caliphate and Marxist paradises. It is comical how you cheerlead for a jihadist society that would love to eliminate you. The useful idiot comrades are alive and well, cheerleading for a cause that will devour them in due time.

Post-9/11 propaganda is not quite as effective in the 2020s. In your zionist dystopia, it's OK for your IDF snipers to shoot old ladies outside their churches.





Your club has genocided all the Jews out of the Middle East and most Christians too. Any remaining Christian community living under the control of your Islamist pals is under grave threat. Meanwhile, the Christian population in Israel is growing. You spew nothing but lies like a Bolshevik true to form.
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In reply to oski003 • 9:10p, 6/12/24
oski003 said:
Cal88 said:


Why isn't Hamas accepting the current peace deal?

"A deal was on the table that was virtually identical to a proposal that Hamas put forward on May 6 a deal that the entire world is behind, a deal Israel has accepted. And Hamas could have answered with a single word: Yes," Blinken said.

Instead, "Hamas has proposed numerous changes to the proposal that was on the table. We discussed those changes last night with Egyptian colleagues, and today with the prime minister," Blinken said. "Some of the changes are workable. Some are not."

Mearsheimer dismantles Blinken's terrible spin about Hamas not accepting the cease fire:



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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 10:01p, 6/12/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Your nasty Jew hating friends should be locked up for providing support to designated terrorist groups. This is who you are.

40,000 lives later, and counting, it's pretty clear who the terrorist group is.

You will fail to establish your caliphate and Marxist paradises. It is comical how you cheerlead for a jihadist society that would love to eliminate you. The useful idiot comrades are alive and well, cheerleading for a cause that will devour them in due time.

Post-9/11 propaganda is not quite as effective in the 2020s. In your zionist dystopia, it's OK for your IDF snipers to shoot old ladies outside their churches.





Your club has genocided all the Jews out of the Middle East and most Christians too. Any remaining Christian community living under the control of your Islamist pals is under grave threat. Meanwhile, the Christian population in Israel is growing. You spew nothing but lies like a Bolshevik true to form.

Your snipers shoot in the stomach an old Christian Palestinian lady coming out in front of her church, who falls down and bleeds profusely, then the snipers proceed to shoot at her family members courageously trying to save her, killing her daughter, while her family and parish helplessly watches the grandmother and her daughter who tried to save her bleed to death, and you have the gall to lecture me about how virtuous Israel is in its treatment of Christian Palestinians, using stale Dubya-era islamophobia???

Israel's secret services BOMBED JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS in false flag operations on Arab countries like Iraq in order to terrorize those communities and push them to emigrate to Palestine:





These types of operations have been their bread and butter since day one in Israel, when they've bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing dozens of Arabs and Europeans, dressed up as Arabs, or when they killed 34 American soldiers and injured 171 in the 1967 false flag attack on the USS Liberty, which they tried to pin on Arabs.







Christians in Israel have been the victims for decades of daily harassment by zionists, who spit with impunity on clergy members and burn churches that somehow have stood there for centuries under Muslim rule.


High-ranking Israeli religious leaders preach that it is the duty of their countrymen to burn down all churches in Israel:







There are still a lot of people who are completely unaware of the true nature of the Israeli government, who is run by fanatical psychopaths like Ben-Gvir, a zealot who celebrated the burning of a Palestinian toddler. But thankfully there is also an increasing number of people who know what really goes on there and are able to easily refute the kind of drivel that has been fed about that region and its history.



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9:23a, 6/13/24
Colonel McGregor claims Hezbollah is active in northern Israel, and has over 120,000 rockets. NO inhabitants have moved south?, and we have bombers parked in the vicinity.

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
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In reply to movielover • 10:00a, 6/13/24
movielover said:

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
So could Bolivia and Fiji but so far there's no evidence any of those countries are doing so.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 10:19a, 6/13/24
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
movielover said:

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
So could Bolivia and Fiji but so far there's no evidence any of those countries are doing so.


Erdogan backs Hamas, calls them freedom fighters, calls Israel Nazi terrorists, and has made claims that Hamas not only defends Gaza from the rogue terrorist state of Israel but actually defends Turkey as well. Can you say the same about Fiji and Bolivia?
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In reply to oski003 • 11:45a, 6/13/24
oski003 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
movielover said:

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
So could Bolivia and Fiji but so far there's no evidence any of those countries are doing so.


Erdogan backs Hamas, calls them freedom fighters, calls Israel Nazi terrorists, and has made claims that Hamas not only defends Gaza from the rogue terrorist state of Israel but actually defends Turkey as well. Can you say the same about Fiji and Bolivia?
Muslim countries like Turkey are not going to side with Israel in this conflict where there is so much suffering from the normal Palestinians. Not coming strongly against Israel at least from a PR perspective would dilute their influence with other Muslim countries.

Now, whether they actually back them with funds is a different story.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:47p, 6/13/24
You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 10:03p, 6/13/24
Ya, sure.
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In reply to oski003 • 9:33a, 6/15/24
oski003 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
movielover said:

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
So could Bolivia and Fiji but so far there's no evidence any of those countries are doing so.


Erdogan backs Hamas, calls them freedom fighters, calls Israel Nazi terrorists, and has made claims that Hamas not only defends Gaza from the rogue terrorist state of Israel but actually defends Turkey as well. Can you say the same about Fiji and Bolivia?
Jesus, how geopolitically illiterate are you. You are really listening to what Erdogan says? He literally backs Israel. Please explain why Baykar and Bayraktar tech are possed by the Israelis...

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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 9:35a, 6/15/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.
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In reply to Grigsby • 12:23p, 6/15/24
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Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.
I don't think anyone should be taking the argument down this road.
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In reply to Grigsby • 12:53p, 6/15/24
Grigsby said:
oski003 said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
movielover said:

Egypt and Turkey could back Hamas.
So could Bolivia and Fiji but so far there's no evidence any of those countries are doing so.


Erdogan backs Hamas, calls them freedom fighters, calls Israel Nazi terrorists, and has made claims that Hamas not only defends Gaza from the rogue terrorist state of Israel but actually defends Turkey as well. Can you say the same about Fiji and Bolivia?
Jesus, how geopolitically illiterate are you. You are really listening to what Erdogan says? He literally backs Israel. Please explain why Baykar and Bayraktar tech are possed by the Israelis...



Jesus, how geopolitically illiterate are you.

-I am fairly geopolitically literate.


You are really listening to what Erdogan says?

Sure, I would evaluate what one says and does when predicting what they'd do in the future.

He literally backs Israel.

-no he doesn't.

Please explain why Baykar and Bayraktar tech are possed by the Israelis...

They were normalizing relations prior to May 2024 when Turkey stopped all trade with Israel.
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In reply to Grigsby • 9:47p, 6/15/24
Grigsby said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.

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In reply to 138 Days Til No Joe • 12:17a, 6/20/24
The Israeli Lobby appears extremely powerful. They apparently have a minder for every Congress person, and some reportedly volunteer for staff positions. Only one Congress person refused the minder.
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In reply to 136 Days Til No Joe • 2:31p, 6/21/24
136 Days Til No Joe said:


Israel has been a colonial-settler project for nearly a century now, with constant takeover of native land and property, occupation, and every foew decades mass ethnic cleanisng events like the one ongoing in Gaza.

Israel is the only country in the world that doesn't have defined borders, their ultimate lebesnraum ambition is to expand even beyond the Jordan Valley, and north into Lebanon.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 5:11p, 6/22/24
CaliforniaEternal said:
Grigsby said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.

The irony here is that Israel does exactly this, they use DNA tests to screen immigrants for racial purity, the only country in the world that does this. It is an apartheid state that is literally based on racial supremacy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5034383/

Quote:
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The Israeli State recently announced that it may begin to use genetic tests to determine whether potential immigrants are Jewish or not.

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In reply to Cal88 • 6:09p, 6/22/24
Cal88 said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
Grigsby said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.

The irony here is that Israel does exactly this, they use DNA tests to screen immigrants for racial purity, the only country in the world that does this. It is an apartheid state that is literally based on racial supremacy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5034383/

Quote:
Abstract

The Israeli State recently announced that it may begin to use genetic tests to determine whether potential immigrants are Jewish or not.
This article states that the government MIGHT begin to use genetic tests for immigrant screening. Is there one that actually shows they are?

The only articles I can find are about genetic testing for diseases and whatnot.
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