2020 Election - Catch-all Thread

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sycasey said:


I have never seen so much projection in my life.
Funny, that's what I've claimed and shown that you're doing.

Go ahead and expound
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BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

Eh, it's not much worse than when iwantwinners was spamming every thread.
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sycasey said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

Eh, it's not much worse than when iwantwinners was spamming every thread.
Did he/she call you out and throw cold water on your guys' circle jerks too? (i.e. "spamming")

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GBear4Life said:

sycasey said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

Eh, it's not much worse than when iwantwinners was spamming every thread.
Did he/she call you out and throw cold water on your guys' circle jerks too? (i.e. "spamming")


He couldn't carry an argument to save his life either
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BearsWiin said:

GBear4Life said:

sycasey said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

Eh, it's not much worse than when iwantwinners was spamming every thread.
Did he/she call you out and throw cold water on your guys' circle jerks too? (i.e. "spamming")


He couldn't carry an argument to save his life either

He also voiced cruel and sometimes vaguely racist ideas, all while constantly insulting anyone who disagreed. So actually, it was about the same. We sure GBear is a different guy?
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BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

I disagree, my Finnish friend. This is modern theater of the absurd. Or maybe it's modern bear wrestling...

Either way, it's entertaining to see the hapless underdog getting repeatedly swatted down by various opponents, only to keep coming back with essentially the same reply.
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AunBear89 said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

I disagree, my Finnish friend. This is modern theater of the absurd. Or maybe it's modern bear wrestling...

Either way, it's entertaining to see the hapless underdog getting repeatedly swatted down by various opponents, only to keep coming back with essentially the same reply.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion, of course. I just think it's tiresome
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BearsWiin said:

AunBear89 said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

I disagree, my Finnish friend. This is modern theater of the absurd. Or maybe it's modern bear wrestling...

Either way, it's entertaining to see the hapless underdog getting repeatedly swatted down by various opponents, only to keep coming back with essentially the same reply.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion, of course. I just think it's tiresome


The nuns that taught me said you are only entitled to an opinion that is based on an analysis of facts. Other than that, the "opinion" is little more than white noise. You know, like an "opinion" based on Fox News talking points or a Breitbart article.
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bearister said:

BearsWiin said:

AunBear89 said:

BearsWiin said:

This board's never been all that great, but it really went downhill two months ago when that turd joined

I disagree, my Finnish friend. This is modern theater of the absurd. Or maybe it's modern bear wrestling...

Either way, it's entertaining to see the hapless underdog getting repeatedly swatted down by various opponents, only to keep coming back with essentially the same reply.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion, of course. I just think it's tiresome


The nuns that taught me said you are only entitled to an opinion that is based on an analysis of facts. Other than that, the "opinion" is little more than white noise. You know, like an "opinion" based on Fox News talking points or a Breitbart article.
I wasn't clear. I meant that AB89 is entitled to his opinion about how fun it is to have the persistently ignorant foul this board. Said persistently ignorant can **** themselves with a rusty Ka-bar. I don't give two runny craps about their opinions
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"At a rally in Pennsylvania Monday night, President Donald Trump made it clear that he's still holding a grudge against Fox News for giving airtime to Democratic rival Pete Buttigieg.

Trump continued the feud on-stage, making several jibes at his favorite news network, and prompting a chorus of boos at Fox's expense from the large crowd." Business Insider

What media outlet do tRumpists have left? RT?



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Had to rec BABs best post
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Nice graphic on the age of candidates.
I'm thinking late 70's is past ones prime (sorry older Bears.)

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2019/05/03/2020-candidates-ages/3643967002/
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"He oversold, and the customers, the public, tired of the pitch, and the pitchman." Roy Cohn, on the fall of Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
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Really nice from Mayor Pete. Talks about DT's draft dodge. Watch the first two minutes.

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Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
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Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
Did you serve in the U.S. military?
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Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.
He said his only beef with what DT did was that he used his privilege to get a doctor to lie for him, and that he would have had no issue if he chose not to go as a conscientious objector.

Which definition of hypocrisy are you using? The earth one?
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Cal88 said:

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.


But yeah, sounds like he was just alphabetizing stacks of paper while checking Instagram:

"In 2009 and 2013, Buttigieg was commissioned as a Navy intelligence officer while serving as mayor. He took a leave of absence to serve in Afghanistan in 2014 for a seven-month deployment and earned the Joint Service Commendation Medal for his counterterrorism work." [ABC News]
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B.A. Bearacus said:

Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
He said his only beef with what DT did was that he used his privilege to get a doctor to lie for him, and that he would have had no issue if he chose not to go as a conscientious objector.

Which definition of hypocrisy are you using? The earth one?
That didn't work out well for the conscientious objectors who ended up having to do jail time or escaping to Canada. I can't blame someone for getting out of from a useless, morally corrupt war like Vietnam. But in the case of Buttigieg, as in the case of chickehawks like GWB and Cheney, there is some hypocrisy in dodging the war while being pro-war. I know Buttigieg did serve, but he was never in the line of fire, and his service was very limited, and it was most likely a politically motivated careerist move.

Are you in favor of interventionism in Afghanistan, Syria or Venezuela? Do you think we should spend another $6 trillion on those wars in the next decade? Buttigieg is arguably the most hawkish Democrat candidate, one of the main reasons I dislike him.
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Another Bear said:

Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
Did you serve in the U.S. military?

No, but I paid my share of income tax funding the $6 trillion and counting post-2001 endless wars.
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Cal88 said:

Another Bear said:

Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
Did you serve in the U.S. military?

No, but I paid my share of income tax funding the $6 trillion and counting post-2001 endless wars.
Paying taxes for the endless war certainly allows you to complain about the war debt (like the rest of us) but frankly it's a far reach to criticize service members criticizing a draft dodger. Of course you added the extra stupid a-hole factor by calling his 7 month stint in Afghanistan resume-padding for political gain. He was called up, so he served. In any case, very weird and hypocritical position for a right winger.
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Another Bear said:


Paying taxes for the endless war certainly allows you to complain about the war debt (like the rest of us) but frankly it's a far reach to criticize service members criticizing a draft dodger. Of course you added the extra stupid a-hole factor by calling his 7 month stint in Afghanistan resume-padding for political gain. He was called up, so he served. In any case, very weird and hypocritical position for a right winger.
Cal88 isn't really a right winger. He sometimes overlaps with them, in large part due to a shared love of conspiracy theories, but he doesn't toe the republican line in his posts on BI.

He is likely to advocate positions that are beneficial to Putin, so I could see how you would interpret him as being a right winger - they have that in common.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Another Bear said:


Paying taxes for the endless war certainly allows you to complain about the war debt (like the rest of us) but frankly it's a far reach to criticize service members criticizing a draft dodger. Of course you added the extra stupid a-hole factor by calling his 7 month stint in Afghanistan resume-padding for political gain. He was called up, so he served. In any case, very weird and hypocritical position for a right winger.
Cal88 isn't really a right winger. He sometimes overlaps with them, in large part due to a shared love of conspiracy theories, but he doesn't toe the republican line in his posts on BI.

He is likely to advocate positions that are beneficial to Putin, so I could see how you would interpret him as being a right winger - they have that in common.
Fair enough. Not RW...but still NJ. Gotcha.
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If the goal is to avoid war-mongering and foreign intervention, then voting Republican is clearly the way to go.
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Another Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Another Bear said:


Paying taxes for the endless war certainly allows you to complain about the war debt (like the rest of us) but frankly it's a far reach to criticize service members criticizing a draft dodger. Of course you added the extra stupid a-hole factor by calling his 7 month stint in Afghanistan resume-padding for political gain. He was called up, so he served. In any case, very weird and hypocritical position for a right winger.
Cal88 isn't really a right winger. He sometimes overlaps with them, in large part due to a shared love of conspiracy theories, but he doesn't toe the republican line in his posts on BI.

He is likely to advocate positions that are beneficial to Putin, so I could see how you would interpret him as being a right winger - they have that in common.
Fair enough. Not RW...but still NJ. Gotcha.
Right, because you're either pro-endless war, or you're a Putin-loving Nut Job (or from New Jersey?)


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If the goal is to avoid war-mongering and foreign intervention, then voting Republican is clearly the way to go.

Trump did run on a non-interventionist platform, but he might be pulling a 180 with neocons like Bolton, Pompeo and Abrams running foreign policy. Voting for Sanders, Tulsi, Yang or maybe Warren over Biden or Buttigieg would be the better option here if you're against endless war.

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Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
I don't see the inherent hypocrisy or immorality of not wanting to serve in the military while supporting certain foreign interventions. Otherwise Obama is a hypocrite and thus it handicaps every politician who has never served (which is most). It can be hypocritical, but not inherently so.

Buttgieg seems like a candidate worthy of consideration from Dems to me.


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Cal88 said:

B.A. Bearacus said:

Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.

In any case, Trump would crush him in the general.
He said his only beef with what DT did was that he used his privilege to get a doctor to lie for him, and that he would have had no issue if he chose not to go as a conscientious objector.

Which definition of hypocrisy are you using? The earth one?
That didn't work out well for the conscientious objectors who ended up having to do jail time or escaping to Canada. I can't blame someone for getting out of from a useless, morally corrupt war like Vietnam. But in the case of Buttigieg, as in the case of chickehawks like GWB and Cheney, there is some hypocrisy in dodging the war while being pro-war. I know Buttigieg did serve, but he was never in the line of fire, and his service was very limited, and it was most likely a politically motivated careerist move.

Are you in favor of interventionism in Afghanistan, Syria or Venezuela? Do you think we should spend another $6 trillion on those wars in the next decade? Buttigieg is arguably the most hawkish Democrat candidate, one of the main reasons I dislike him.


Let's be honest here. Cal88 is going to trash whichever Dem gets the nomination.
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Cal88 said:

Another Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Another Bear said:


Paying taxes for the endless war certainly allows you to complain about the war debt (like the rest of us) but frankly it's a far reach to criticize service members criticizing a draft dodger. Of course you added the extra stupid a-hole factor by calling his 7 month stint in Afghanistan resume-padding for political gain. He was called up, so he served. In any case, very weird and hypocritical position for a right winger.
Cal88 isn't really a right winger. He sometimes overlaps with them, in large part due to a shared love of conspiracy theories, but he doesn't toe the republican line in his posts on BI.

He is likely to advocate positions that are beneficial to Putin, so I could see how you would interpret him as being a right winger - they have that in common.
Fair enough. Not RW...but still NJ. Gotcha.
Right, because you're either pro-endless war, or you're a Putin-loving Nut Job (or from New Jersey?)


Quote:

If the goal is to avoid war-mongering and foreign intervention, then voting Republican is clearly the way to go.

Trump did run on a non-interventionist platform, but he might be pulling a 180 with neocons like Bolton, Pompeo and Abrams running foreign policy. Voting for Sanders, Tulsi, Yang or maybe Warren over Biden or Buttigieg would be the better option here if you're against endless war.




Only stupid people and Putin propagandists believed Hillary would be more aggressive with the military than Trump.
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(^Gets up at 5am to post the usual nasty Putin one-liner)
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Cal88 said:

(^Gets up at 5am to post the usual nasty Putin one-liner)


5:56 am PST is 8:56 am EST. Sorry if that's too early for you.
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Cal88 said:

Buttigieg is a hypocrite, denouncing Trump's dodging the Vietnam draft, while at the same time having pro-war interventionist policies in favor of other useless wars that are the equivalent of Vietnam.

As well he had a glorified resume-padding desk job for 7 months in Afghanistan, designed to bolster his political ambitions.



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