2020 Election - Catch-all Thread

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In reply to GBear4Life • 10:38p, 6/26/19
GBear4Life said:
Why don't the networks just give each candidate a 30 min live interview on prime time over the course of a week?


Because most people won't listen. They can't follow. They don't understand the policies. They fall asleep and say BORING. (See tweet above).



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Each candidate knows they may only have two 60 second sound bite opportunities, so they say cringy a*s sh*t to distinguish themselves. The format invites virtue signaling and self aggrandizing.
Wow, you said something intelligent. Too bad it's dark out - I can't go look and see if there are any pigs flying.
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In reply to GBear4Life • 12:51a, 6/27/19
GBear4Life said:
okaydo said:
GBear4Life said:


Rogan despises the Left now? He's just outspoken against the SJWs leftist mob and its apologists. So does 80% of the country.
You clearly like him, which says all that really needs to be said.
Like him? I mean, I like the open, long-form platform he provides a diverse group of people from all walks of life to talk about all sorts of topics. I agree with him on some stuff, disagree on others.

That you so dislike a largely run-of-the-mill liberal/centrist who engages a diverse range of people is, as far as I can tell, a poor reflection on you.

Yes, Joe Rogan is a liberal/centrist. That's why so many liberals/centrists go on his show.


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6:12a, 6/27/19
So who won? I don't watch primary debates. They're boring unless there is a clown on stage.
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In reply to dajo9 • 6:37a, 6/27/19
dajo9 said:
So who won? I don't watch primary debates. They're boring unless there is a clown on stage.


Last night there were ten.
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In reply to oski003 • 10:10a, 6/27/19
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dajo9 said:
So who won? I don't watch primary debates. They're boring unless there is a clown on stage.
Last night there were ten.
Your comic sensibilities are directly aligned with members of the royal family named Eric and Don. Don't take that as an insult because I don't think you consider being compared to them as an insult.

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11:21a, 6/27/19
It's hard not to come off as a clown in these formats. I empathize with them having to make a mark on these "debates". Which of course, nothing about these when it's got 10 people is a debate. It's a series of questions posed at individuals who get 60 seconds to answer *I mean make their pitch*.

It's funny that people think 30 minute long form interviews would be boring. I mean if last night's "debate" doesn't qualify as boring (and lame and uninformative), what does?
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In reply to GBear4Life • 11:58a, 6/27/19
GBear4Life said:
It's hard not to come off as a clown in these formats. I empathize with them having to make a mark on these "debates". Which of course, nothing about these when it's got 10 people is a debate. It's a series of questions posed at individuals who get 60 seconds to answer *I mean make their pitch*.

It's funny that people think 30 minute long form interviews would be boring. I mean if last night's "debate" doesn't qualify as boring (and lame and uninformative), what does?

Long-form interviews are a dime a dozen. There are countless podcasts of people interviewing people. There are countless web shows where people interview people each other.

When a popular person like Aaron Rodgers submits to a 2-hour interview, and nobody cares, you know the format isn't special.

Viewers aren't going to tune into an interview with a candidate, who has done many interviews. They want something special. Something with the potential for drama. The debate format, as bad as it is, offers something unique. An interview does not.
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12:02p, 6/27/19
The format is feasible with lesser people.

That these platforms get high ratings is an indictment of the electorate. It's not unique to any one party
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In reply to okaydo • 12:09p, 6/27/19
Podcasts are extremely popular because they have high advertising rates compared to other digital ads.

There's more to it than just the below, like very low production and start-up costs and super easy delivery. It can be a 1 or 2 person crew. These are the reasons why there's so many podcasts.

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And while the reported numbers are still mostly for downloads and don't report if the sponsor ads are actually heard, the growth is still impressive. As FastCompany reported, *** with Marc Maron guarantees advertisers 325,000 downloads an episode. Using the popular podcasts rates $18 to $25 per thousand listenersthat means *** is bringing in about $8,125 per announcement. It's not TV money, more like the high end of medium-market radio.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenrosenbaum/2016/05/02/podcasting-the-economics-passions-and-profits/#b53111112089
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In reply to okaydo • 12:14p, 6/27/19
okaydo said:

Yes, Joe Rogan is a liberal/centrist. That's why so many liberals/centrists go on his show.
LOL you're so triggered by him.

That Slate piece is trash, which doesn't surprise me as it is Vox's ugly step sibling. Shows a video of Rogan with Sam Harris -- a bona fide liberal who is critical of leftist apologetics regarding Islam, speech, and ethics -- and reflexively dismisses their criticism of PC culture as some sort of tacit endorsement of racist and bigoted speech, and also some form of apologetics for white men saying stupid things.

I mean yeah, triggered liberals probably won't care to come on his show. But some triggered leftists like Ana Kasperian, Cenk Uygur, Brett Weinstein, Bari Weiss, Abby Martin, Russel Brand go on and they have pleasant conversations. Weird. Put another way, an overwhelming majority of his guests *aren't* conservative.
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In reply to oski003 • 12:20p, 6/27/19
oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
So who won? I don't watch primary debates. They're boring unless there is a clown on stage.


Last night there were ten.
Yeah, last night's debate is best characterized as "the 10 dwarfs". Or, if you want to be very generous, "Elizabeth Warren and the nine dwarfs".
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In reply to B.A. Bearacus • 1:38p, 6/27/19
Judd appears to be a sufferer of DTS, as he's reaching here. Using "ad campaign" and "highly manipulative" like it's novel...
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2:39p, 6/27/19
I'm a little surprised only two-of-ten raised their hands when asked if they'd give up their cadillac private insurance for government run health care



I've had uninterrupted employer-provided private health insurance in my name since I was 18 with a handful of carriers, both HMOs and PPOs and 70/30 coinsurance plans. They've all been trash. I honestly can't make out what I should owe for this service and that service when reading the plans and what it covers. And I haven't needed care for any major health issues.

All my MDs were most interested in seeing as many patients as possible to collect payments, over-booking patients (because why not), never refilling prescriptions over the phone (because why not force them to come in and collect $125 from insurance for a 90 second "consult"?). Every 5 minutes for 7 hours seeing a patient at $125 ea is $10,500/day. Mostly to be a professional drug gatekeeper. Needing referrals to see a specialist or get tests done makes some sense if the government is fitting the bill, but not when the patient and insurance are.

But obviously I'd have been relatively screwed without my trash insurance from cheap, employer subsidized monthly premiums (always less than $80/month). Most middle class and above families employer insurance and are shielded from the real cost of health care and the idea of flipping that upside down makes people nervous. It's hard to get public support when *most* people are covered.
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2:44p, 6/27/19
LOL I for one will miss these when he's done...



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5:26p, 6/27/19
Meanwhile, from that irrational fear factory...
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6:45p, 6/27/19
Just spit balling here: whomever wins the Democratic nomination will, in the general election campaign, walk back their commitment to free health care for illegal immigrants (all 10 today support), or they're a dead candidate walking...
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7:25p, 6/27/19
Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

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7:26p, 6/27/19
2 of the candidates on stage tonight were deputy district attorneys for Alameda County when I lived in Alameda County.
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7:56p, 6/27/19
Glad Mayor Pete got this in earlier for the broader audience of this debate.
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8:42p, 6/27/19
One half of Dumb and Dumber.

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9:17p, 6/27/19
Don, Jr. is a POS that should set himself on fire. The accelerant in his hair product will be very useful.

Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
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9:59p, 6/27/19
I have vertigo from all the virtue signaling
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10:16p, 6/27/19


Democrats 2020 hopes:


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In reply to B.A. Bearacus • 10:32p, 6/27/19
B.A. Bearacus said:
One half of Dumb and Dumber.



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In reply to GBear4Life • 10:34p, 6/27/19
GBear4Life said:


Democrats 2020 hopes:


Democrats have pandered to blacks for decades. Now that they think they have that segment of the electorate in their pocket, they're doing the same with the LGBTQ and illegal immigrant communities.
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In reply to GBear4Life • 6:09a, 6/28/19
GBear4Life said:


Democrats 2020 hopes:


Democrats have this crazy idea that everybody should get health care. Same as Harry Truman 70 years ago. Same as the rest of the advanced world.
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In reply to B.A. Bearacus • 6:11a, 6/28/19
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Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

Kind of odd to me that the big slam dunk moment of the night was on bussing to desegregate. I was bussed in a desegregation plan and it was terrible. Kamala Harris may have had a good experience but I don't think most bussed kids did (in fairness, I haven't spoken to many blacks about their bussing experience). My view is that you don't use kids to solve adult problems. Kids should go to school in their communities. Communities should be desegregated (easier said than done, I know).
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In reply to B.A. Bearacus • 6:14a, 6/28/19
B.A. Bearacus said:
Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

Kamala Harris has an upper middle class/professional background on both sides of her family, her parents, like Yang's, met at Cal in grad school, both were college profs, at Furd and McGill respectively. When she says she was "bussed" in high school, she really means she took the school bus to go to from her middle class home to well-funded schools that had been integrated long before she attended. It's not like she was bused into a segregated environment, or that she was struggling as a child in 1960s Selma Alabama...

And after her parents' divorce, she grew up in Westmount, the most exclusive neighborhood in all of Canada, the equivalent of Presidio Heights or Atherton. She's really misrepresenting her background here by suggesting that she's experienced social or racial hardship growing up, like many African Americans her age or older did.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:19a, 6/28/19
Cal88 said:
B.A. Bearacus said:
Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

Kamala Harris has an upper middle class/professional background on both sides of her family, her parents, like Yang's, met at Cal in grad school, both were college profs, at Furd and McGill respectively. When she says she was "bussed" in high school, she really means she took the school bus to go to from her middle class home to well-funded schools that had been integrated long before she attended. It's not like she was bused into a segregated environment, or that she was struggling as a child in 1960s Selma Alabama...

And after her parents' divorce, she grew up in Westmount, the most exclusive neighborhood in all of Canada, the equivalent of Presidio Heights or Atherton. She's really misrepresenting her background here by suggesting that she's experienced social or racial hardship growing up, like many African Americans her age or older did.
I really don't understand your point. I was in a middle class home and got bussed to desegregate. That's irrelevant to the issue. She was part of the 2nd class to desegregate. You shouldn't presume to speak for her experience.
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In reply to dajo9 • 6:22a, 6/28/19
dajo9 said:
GBear4Life said:


Democrats 2020 hopes:


Democrats have this crazy idea that everybody should get health care. Same as Harry Truman 70 years ago. Same as the rest of the advanced world.
If you have open borders, which all of these candidates now advocate, and free health care for illegals on top of that, any of the 150 million citizens of Mexico and Central America with a serious ailment can walk through the border and get free health care. This is not going to play well with the electorate...
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:29a, 6/28/19
Cal88 said:
dajo9 said:
GBear4Life said:


Democrats 2020 hopes:


Democrats have this crazy idea that everybody should get health care. Same as Harry Truman 70 years ago. Same as the rest of the advanced world.
If you have open borders, which all of these candidates now advocate, and free health care for illegals on top of that, any of the 150 million citizens of Mexico and Central America with a serious ailment can walk through the border and get free health care. This is not going to play well with the electorate...
If you want to lie about the Democratic position on borders, that's one strategy
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In reply to dajo9 • 6:34a, 6/28/19
dajo9 said:
Cal88 said:
B.A. Bearacus said:
Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

Kamala Harris has an upper middle class/professional background on both sides of her family, her parents, like Yang's, met at Cal in grad school, both were college profs, at Furd and McGill respectively. When she says she was "bussed" in high school, she really means she took the school bus to go to from her middle class home to well-funded schools that had been integrated long before she attended. It's not like she was bused into a segregated environment, or that she was struggling as a child in 1960s Selma Alabama...

And after her parents' divorce, she grew up in Westmount, the most exclusive neighborhood in all of Canada, the equivalent of Presidio Heights or Atherton. She's really misrepresenting her background here by suggesting that she's experienced social or racial hardship growing up, like many African Americans her age or older did.
I really don't understand your point. I was in a middle class home and got bussed to desegregate. That's irrelevant to the issue. She was part of the 2nd class to desegregate. You shouldn't presume to speak for her experience.

You're trying hard not to, it's quite simple.

She has an upper middle class background and has not faced the kind of social and racial adversity growing up that many of her older African American peers faced, and that she is implying she has faced in her tweet above.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:36a, 6/28/19
Cal88 said:
dajo9 said:
Cal88 said:
B.A. Bearacus said:
Hehe, damn. Kamala came to thrown down. We all know it ain't ever gonna be Biden-Harris.

Kamala Harris has an upper middle class/professional background on both sides of her family, her parents, like Yang's, met at Cal in grad school, both were college profs, at Furd and McGill respectively. When she says she was "bussed" in high school, she really means she took the school bus to go to from her middle class home to well-funded schools that had been integrated long before she attended. It's not like she was bused into a segregated environment, or that she was struggling as a child in 1960s Selma Alabama...

And after her parents' divorce, she grew up in Westmount, the most exclusive neighborhood in all of Canada, the equivalent of Presidio Heights or Atherton. She's really misrepresenting her background here by suggesting that she's experienced social or racial hardship growing up, like many African Americans her age or older did.
I really don't understand your point. I was in a middle class home and got bussed to desegregate. That's irrelevant to the issue. She was part of the 2nd class to desegregate. You shouldn't presume to speak for her experience.

You're trying hard not to, it's quite simple.

She has an upper middle class background and has not faced the kind of social and racial adversity growing up that many of her older African American peers faced, and that she is implying she has faced in her tweet above.
"There was a little girl who was bussed to school in California. That little girl was me"

You need to stop typing. You know nothing about the bussing experience here in America for kids growing up at the time.
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6:47a, 6/28/19
You're the one who is digging deeper here, pushing the notion that going to school in 1977 Berkeley or 1980 Westmount, Canada as a minority daughter of college professors had anything to do with the experience of 1960s school busing pioneers. I don't think Harris was even really "bused", she has never lived in an urban ghetto.

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