2020 Election - Catch-all Thread

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Another Bear
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OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

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Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.
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dajo9 said:

Another Bear said:

Q: Which Democratic Candidates are National Security Employees Opening Their Wallets for?
A: Bernie, the Mayor Pete. Bernie more than doubles Trump.

Very interesting results...like government workers want a socialist.



https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/2020-presidential-election-democratic-candidates-national-security-employees-contributions/




National security employees, huh. I sense a trend.
1. White man
2. White man
3. White woman
4. White man
5. White man
6. Minority woman
7. Minority man
8. White woman
9. White woman
10. Minority man
Interesting take, perhaps more than a little truth...or they want socialist. In any case, interesting that national security types liked Obama over McCain, because he was a "steady Eddie", vs. combustible McCain. Could be sexism too. I'm guessing security types can interact with women on a daily level...but maybe not so much when dealing spooks, nukes and other weirdness.
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OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

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Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Always nice to get Republican input on what Democrats should do.
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Bloomberg should run as an independent. If he spends enough you can pretty much guarantee a win for the democrat. All he has to do is target republicans on Facebook. He could easily get 2-3% of the vote in battleground states which would create a landslide for any of the Dems.
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OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

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Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.


Trump won the Midwest by promising to forward conservative Christian policies and by falsely promising to help the coal miners and factory workers fight against Wall Street, immigration and globalization. So you think a pro choice socially liberal Jewish candidate from NY who will run on free trade taking their soda away and everything Wall Street likes is going to get their votes? He might be electable if George Will decides.

I like his voice in politics and I wish there were more socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidates out their, though that is not my ideology. But there just ain't a lot out there.
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The latest New Hampshire Poll:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/nh/nh11112019_nhvr38.pdf/

Things I find interesting:

1. Biden leads with 20%, Warren second at 16%, Buttigieg third at 15%, and Sanders 4th at 14%.
2. Sanders polls at 4th (though is within 2% of Warren (2) and Buttigieg (3).
3. Tulsi is in 5th at 6%?!?! Her and Williamson are the two Democrats I don't like.
4. The people who consider themselves somewhat liberal are exactly split between the main four front runners (at 21%).
5. Buttigieg is second in rural areas (to Biden), and leads with people that make over 100k.
6. Yang does comparatively well with suburban voters at 7% (I thought his proposals would be playing best in the cities or countryside). He is also doing well with the youth vote (tied for 3rd with Biden at 12%).
7. Sanders leads with the youth at 29%.
8. The Independent vote is as follows: Biden 16%, Sanders & Buttigieg 14%, Warren & Tulsi 10%, Yang 5%.
9. Finally in the excitement category splitting the categories in two groups of Extremely/Very excited versus Not that excited or N/A: Biden had 49% excited 16% not, Sanders 67% excited to 10% not, Warren 65% to 4%, and Buttigieg 57% to 4%.
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Things I find interesting - anyone who looks at a single poll and tries to derive meaning from it.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Things I find interesting - anyone who looks at a single poll and tries to derive meaning from it.
Agreed. Look at the aggregates. They haven't changed much in the last few weeks.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Things I find interesting - anyone who looks at a single poll and tries to derive meaning from it.


Because new information should not be evaluated?

I agree that you should not go overboard and believe it means everything (much like fan overreaction to whatever happened last game), but it should at least be considered.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s
Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Always nice to get Republican input on what Democrats should do.
What would Meatloaf do is the question.
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kelly09 said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s
Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Always nice to get Republican input on what Democrats should do.
What would Meatloaf do is the question.

Easy answer:

Anything for love.
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sycasey said:

kelly09 said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s
Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Always nice to get Republican input on what Democrats should do.
What would Meatloaf do is the question.

Easy answer:

Anything for love.
But he wouldn't do that.
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golden sloth
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Buttigieg appears to be making a serious run at Iowa. The latest poll has him in the lead by 9 points, and he is leading in the last two Iowa polls taken.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

Also, of note Klobuchar may be pulling ahead of the non-big 4 candidates as the moderates may be starting to chime in.
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In 2012 Obama railed against the corporate raider, Mitt Romney of Bain . Now, Deval Patrick emerges from Bain to save the Democrats center.

Bloomberg apologizes for his signature public safety program- stop and frisk. " I was wrong and I am sorry."

Republicans say impeachment trial might last 6-8 weeks keeping Senators off the campaign trail in early 2020 - benefiting who? Bootycheek. Is he the the latest Russian asset?
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Anarchistbear said:

In 2012 Obama railed against the corporate raider, Mitt Romney of Bain . Now, Deval Patrick emerges from Bain to save the Democrats center.

Bloomberg apologizes for his signature public safety program- stop and frisk. " I was wrong and I am sorry."

Republicans say impeachment trial might last 6-8 weeks keeping Senators off the campaign trail in early 2020 - benefiting who? Bootycheek. Is he the the latest Russian asset?


There is only one candidate that it has been proven that the Russian have tried to get elected. I think we should leave that accusation for him.

Of the main candidates there are two, Biden and Buttigieg, who stand to gain from keeping the senators out of the field late.
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Anarchistbear said:

In 2012 Obama railed against the corporate raider, Mitt Romney of Bain . Now, Deval Patrick emerges from Bain to save the Democrats center.

Bloomberg apologizes for his signature public safety program- stop and frisk. " I was wrong and I am sorry."

Republicans say impeachment trial might last 6-8 weeks keeping Senators off the campaign trail in early 2020 - benefiting who? Bootycheek. Is he the the latest Russian asset?
So is the new normal to just classify anyone you don't like as a Russian asset? It would also benefit a bunch of other candidates like Biden.
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New York Times reporter:

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Another Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s






Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.


Bloomberg for Prez!!

He will hire experts in the fields for his cabinet and to head up the various departments. They will consult with him but he will delegate authority to them and allow them to run their area.

He sees the job of president as an organizational manager, not a popular figure head. He has actually built a very successful business with many many employees and so the federal government is an e tension of that.

Similarly, as 3-term Mayor of NYC, a city larger than some nations in terms of population and $$$, he has political experience to do the job.

Trump had neither the business management not political experience, and he certainly doesn't have the personality nor communication skills required for the job.

Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative - necessary to reign in the insane deficit!!!

Bloomberg is a social liberal and environmentalist, aligning with my personal values.

It's sad that you say it's hard to know what he stands for. All you have to do is a bit of research. He's not an unknown.

Regarding sugar and tobacco, he didn't take away people's right to it. He merely made it more expensive or difficult - which is a good thing when trying to break an unhealthy vise.

Maybe he could rewrite the tax code and wean some entrenched industries off their pork barrel subsidies.

As a moderate, he could win lots of republicans and destroy trump in the general!!! Like, massive landslide. He just needs to win the Democratic nomination first. I'm all for it!
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Another Bear said:

Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
That's twice you've referred to him as a .1%er.
What do you have against rich people?
Does the size of one's bank account disqualify a candidate?
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concordtom said:

Another Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

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Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.


Bloomberg for Prez!!

He will hire experts in the fields for his cabinet and to head up the various departments. They will consult with him but he will delegate authority to them and allow them to run their area.

He sees the job of president as an organizational manager, not a popular figure head. He has actually built a very successful business with many many employees and so the federal government is an e tension of that.

Similarly, as 3-term Mayor of NYC, a city larger than some nations in terms of population and $$$, he has political experience to do the job.

Trump had neither the business management not political experience, and he certainly doesn't have the personality nor communication skills required for the job.

Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative - necessary to reign in the insane deficit!!!

Bloomberg is a social liberal and environmentalist, aligning with my personal values.

It's sad that you say it's hard to know what he stands for. All you have to do is a bit of research. He's not an unknown.

Regarding sugar and tobacco, he didn't take away people's right to it. He merely made it more expensive or difficult - which is a good thing when trying to break an unhealthy vise.

Maybe he could rewrite the tax code and wean some entrenched industries off their pork barrel subsidies.

As a moderate, he could win lots of republicans and destroy trump in the general!!! Like, massive landslide. He just needs to win the Democratic nomination first. I'm all for it!


Why do you say a fiscal conservative will reign in the deficit? Every conservative President in my life has exploded the deficit.
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https://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm

From summertime.
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sycas said:

Always nice to get Republican input on what Democrats should do.
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What would Meatloaf do is the question.

Easy answer:

Anything for love.

+1000






Being a Cal fan: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave
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As I stated previously, Bloomberg should lean hard into his conservative side and run as an independent. He would take just enough Republican votes to ensure Trump loses.

I don't think he is a slam dunk by any means in a one on one race.

You have to remember, this world (Trump as Republican nominee) only happens because Republicans ignore serious and extremely well proven bribery/abuse of power by Trump, so they will use all the dirty tricks they can think up.
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Bloomberg vs Trump-Jesus ,two more New Yorkers!-would not be a one on one race. There would be a credible leftist candidate
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dajo9 said:

concordtom said:

Another Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s






Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.


Bloomberg for Prez!!

He will hire experts in the fields for his cabinet and to head up the various departments. They will consult with him but he will delegate authority to them and allow them to run their area.

He sees the job of president as an organizational manager, not a popular figure head. He has actually built a very successful business with many many employees and so the federal government is an e tension of that.

Similarly, as 3-term Mayor of NYC, a city larger than some nations in terms of population and $$$, he has political experience to do the job.

Trump had neither the business management not political experience, and he certainly doesn't have the personality nor communication skills required for the job.

Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative - necessary to reign in the insane deficit!!!

Bloomberg is a social liberal and environmentalist, aligning with my personal values.

It's sad that you say it's hard to know what he stands for. All you have to do is a bit of research. He's not an unknown.

Regarding sugar and tobacco, he didn't take away people's right to it. He merely made it more expensive or difficult - which is a good thing when trying to break an unhealthy vise.

Maybe he could rewrite the tax code and wean some entrenched industries off their pork barrel subsidies.

As a moderate, he could win lots of republicans and destroy trump in the general!!! Like, massive landslide. He just needs to win the Democratic nomination first. I'm all for it!


Why do you say a fiscal conservative will reign in the deficit? Every conservative President in my life has exploded the deficit.

I hear no Democrats speaking of deficit control. I stead, Warren and Bernie have large social programs proposed, and I hear nothing about how they'll pay for it. The 2% solution? I don't believe that will work. Either it won't ever get passed or it... it's just a bridge too far. If you want to implement something like that, start with .25% and build a mechanism for collection and enforcement. People can change their citizenship, you know.

But anyways, to continue, Trump certainly IS NOT going to control debt. His economic mouthpiece is charming but disingenuous. I don't believe the plan!!!

So, Bloomberg understands finance, has run a city budget very successfully, and his own company as well. I respect the Bloomberg business product, as a former customer. Meanwhile, Trump's past business reputation was a massive train wreck of unpaid contractors, bankruptcies, Atlantic City got stuffed with his failure (much like what Al Davis did to Oakland in moving back and having income guaranteed).
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Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg vs Trump-Jesus ,two more New Yorkers!-would not be a one on one race. There would be a credible leftist candidate

I don't understand your point, only that you don't like NYers.
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Leaving aside two New Yorkers ( for the second time in four years), a race between a moderate Republican and Trump is not going to save the Republic. It would excite you but few others, especially anyone interested in radically changing the country's policies not returning to the Eisenhower administration. Sanders/Warren supporters and others would find someone else to vote for and someone would emerge.. This is all theoretical of course because Bloomberg hasn't a chance of getting the nomination but Biden does and returning to normalcy is not the mood of the country.
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concordtom said:

Another Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s






Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.


Bloomberg for Prez!!

He will hire experts in the fields for his cabinet and to head up the various departments. They will consult with him but he will delegate authority to them and allow them to run their area.

He sees the job of president as an organizational manager, not a popular figure head. He has actually built a very successful business with many many employees and so the federal government is an e tension of that.

Similarly, as 3-term Mayor of NYC, a city larger than some nations in terms of population and $$$, he has political experience to do the job.

Trump had neither the business management not political experience, and he certainly doesn't have the personality nor communication skills required for the job.

Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative - necessary to reign in the insane deficit!!!

Bloomberg is a social liberal and environmentalist, aligning with my personal values.

It's sad that you say it's hard to know what he stands for. All you have to do is a bit of research. He's not an unknown.

Regarding sugar and tobacco, he didn't take away people's right to it. He merely made it more expensive or difficult - which is a good thing when trying to break an unhealthy vise.

Maybe he could rewrite the tax code and wean some entrenched industries off their pork barrel subsidies.

As a moderate, he could win lots of republicans and destroy trump in the general!!! Like, massive landslide. He just needs to win the Democratic nomination first. I'm all for it!


In CNN's poll of Iowa Democrats, Bloomberg's favorable rating was 18%. His unfavorable was 59%. In conservative Iowa. That is what being a socially liberal, fiscally conservative billionaire gets you with Midwest voters. Bloomberg would get slaughtered by Trump throughout the Midwest. People have got to go beyond the top line liberal and conservative designations
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concordtom said:

dajo9 said:

concordtom said:

Another Bear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

Another Bear said:

Anarchistbear said:

Bloomberg is in because we need a return to normalcy

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4UokjLmsoFhKq0f0Edpbih06QyZupoA7xchoMSX0dfh6FgZHKNQ&s






Michael .1% Bloomberg can go to hell.
Heck, I was about to come over here to suggest you Dems may finally have something going. Went down MB's positions on all sectors, and he sounds electable, maybe even drawing away a number of evil Republicans. Ah, but then even his own party wishes hell upon him. I better just stick with the FB and BB boards. The homogeny of thought here gives one stomach acid.
Well the thing with Mike Bloomberg is it's difficult to tell which party he's in, given he's switched a few times. He's gong to enter the Alabama Democratic primary...but was a GOP as mayor of NYC? At this point I'd say he has some good policy positions for people...but it's difficult to tell exactly what he stands for besides lowering sugar and tobacco consumption. Economy-wise, he's a .1%'er. He can't win.


Bloomberg for Prez!!

He will hire experts in the fields for his cabinet and to head up the various departments. They will consult with him but he will delegate authority to them and allow them to run their area.

He sees the job of president as an organizational manager, not a popular figure head. He has actually built a very successful business with many many employees and so the federal government is an e tension of that.

Similarly, as 3-term Mayor of NYC, a city larger than some nations in terms of population and $$$, he has political experience to do the job.

Trump had neither the business management not political experience, and he certainly doesn't have the personality nor communication skills required for the job.

Bloomberg is a fiscal conservative - necessary to reign in the insane deficit!!!

Bloomberg is a social liberal and environmentalist, aligning with my personal values.

It's sad that you say it's hard to know what he stands for. All you have to do is a bit of research. He's not an unknown.

Regarding sugar and tobacco, he didn't take away people's right to it. He merely made it more expensive or difficult - which is a good thing when trying to break an unhealthy vise.

Maybe he could rewrite the tax code and wean some entrenched industries off their pork barrel subsidies.

As a moderate, he could win lots of republicans and destroy trump in the general!!! Like, massive landslide. He just needs to win the Democratic nomination first. I'm all for it!


Why do you say a fiscal conservative will reign in the deficit? Every conservative President in my life has exploded the deficit.

I hear no Democrats speaking of deficit control. I stead, Warren and Bernie have large social programs proposed, and I hear nothing about how they'll pay for it. The 2% solution? I don't believe that will work. Either it won't ever get passed or it... it's just a bridge too far. If you want to implement something like that, start with .25% and build a mechanism for collection and enforcement. People can change their citizenship, you know.

But anyways, to continue, Trump certainly IS NOT going to control debt. His economic mouthpiece is charming but disingenuous. I don't believe the plan!!!

So, Bloomberg understands finance, has run a city budget very successfully, and his own company as well. I respect the Bloomberg business product, as a former customer. Meanwhile, Trump's past business reputation was a massive train wreck of unpaid contractors, bankruptcies, Atlantic City got stuffed with his failure (much like what Al Davis did to Oakland in moving back and having income guaranteed).


It is a legitimate criticism, but no one is talking about the deficit because it's a loser issue. We've run huge deficits for decades with much handwringing, usually by opposition parties wanting to block a proposed policy of the party in power. For the most part people don't see the impact on their lives. What Americans want is no taxes and tons of government programs simultaneously.

The most impact the deficit/debt had on a race was 1992 with Perot and that culminated with Clinton slaughtering Bush at the townhall debate when an audience member asked Bush a nonsensical question about the debt and he couldn't figure out what she was talking about, while Clinton understood she really meant the economy and didn't understand the difference
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Anarchistbear said:

Leaving aside two New Yorkers ( for the second time in four years), a race between a moderate Republican and Trump is not going to save the Republic. It would excite you but few others, especially anyone interested in radically changing the country's policies not returning to the Eisenhower administration. Sanders/Warren supporters and others would find someone else to vote for and someone would emerge.. This is all theoretical of course because Bloomberg hasn't a chance of getting the nomination but Biden does and returning to normalcy is not the mood of the country.

I suppose there are two things most important to me:
1) Ousting Trump and a corrupt Republican Party culture filled with lying, manipulation, insanely wacky conspiracy theories.
2) the National Debt, at $21T and growing at $1T annually.


We can debate lots of different issues, but corruption and bankruptcy will absolutely destroy this nation.

I believe Bloomberg speaks honestly and can restore truth. I believe he has as good of a chance as anyone to address the debt.

Meanwhile, on secondary issues, he is pro open-trade, which I believe in, and he is a climate change believer who advocates for rapid change to industry as a result - also something I'm for. Bloomberg has also spoken favorably for Dreamers, i believe, and he doesn't seem to care about gender issues, lgbtq, which is progressive and important to many.

I read yesterday he was a womanizer with "a girlfriend in every city". I didn't like that. But, you can't get everything you want.
concordtom
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OaktownBear said:


In CNN's poll of Iowa Democrats, Bloomberg's favorable rating was 18%. His unfavorable was 59%. In conservative Iowa. That is what being a socially liberal, fiscally conservative billionaire gets you with Midwest voters. Bloomberg would get slaughtered by Trump throughout the Midwest. People have got to go beyond the top line liberal and conservative designations


Polls won't be favorable until he begins to sell himself. Get out there and campaign. Show yourself.
He's better get started and quit letting pop quiz suppositions define him.
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Ousting Trump and the national debt aren't big deals to me. I wouldn't necessarily vote for either.
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OaktownBear said:


It is a legitimate criticism, but no one is talking about the deficit because it's a loser issue. We've run huge deficits for decades with much handwringing, usually by opposition parties wanting to block a proposed policy of the party in power. For the most part people don't see the impact on their lives. What Americans want is no taxes and tons of government programs simultaneously.


Thank you.
And, well, Jesus, then, let's just stick our heads in the sand until the nuclear bombs go off.
I mean, seriously, that is asinine to recognize the Debt is a major issue but just ignore it because people haven't had the temerity to deal with it? Come on, man. Then you are just another part of the problem.

The most important advantage that the USA has over all other nations is the fact that the US Dollar is THE premier reserve currency of wealth globally. We cannot lose that advantage. And yet, the debt is a ticking time bomb that threatens exactly that!!

The issue must be addressed. We cannot achieve all the things we hope to achieve (medical care issues, environmental issues, healthy middle class, blue collar manufacturing jobs in Trump flyover states, etc.) without a strong dollar, a strong economy.
 
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