dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Two tiered justice.

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Just in case it wasn't crystal clear Biden is behind the lawfare and election interference against Trump:

"In recent weeks, President Biden has grumbled to aides and advisers that had Garland moved sooner in his investigation into former President Donald Trump’s election… https://t.co/wRKQTorgJc

— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) February 10, 2024

L A W F A R E

E L E C T I O N I N T E F E R E N C E

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I've been talking about the same frustration with Garland on these boards for years. Any American that supports accountability and law and order for rich and powerful people should be mad at Garland for slow walking justice on Traitor Trump.

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This is incredible. What a line. https://t.co/oDXu9qqpit pic.twitter.com/uukv87QXxg

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) February 10, 2024

Media badly doing everything it can to help Trump win because he was good for clicks.

These sorts of tweets raise a good point - where are all the tell-alls? Where are all the behind the scenes scoops on Biden's mental state? We saw tons of them with Trump. Is it because Biden did the unthinkable and hired professionals?

I posted about this a few days ago as well. If there were stories, the media would feverishly cover it, the way we're seeing with this ridiculous special counsel "report."

Every leak talks about how engaged and coherent Biden is behind closed doors. And with Trump he sounds like even more of a toddler, who can't even focus for 5 seconds and requires pictures to keep him engaged. And yet only one is getting the 'cognitive decline' treatment.

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) February 11, 2024

Go to 9:00 for Mumbles confusion.

JUST IN: Putin endorses Biden for 2024.

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"He's a more experienced and predictable person and a politician of the old school."

"But we will work with any U.S. leader entrusted by the American people."

Putin thinks Biden is better for Russia than Trump. pic.twitter.com/PBj6WEoo6i

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) February 15, 2024

Putin endorses Biden for 2024. Isn't this election interference?

Democrats losing their marbles over Rashida Tlaib supporting the "Vote Uncommitted" movement in Michigan. Lots of good stuff in here about how many people are disgusted with Genocide Joe, including hard-core Dems.

Reminder that MSNBC Dem corporate stooge & pro-Bush Republican went haywire after Palestinian progressive anti-corporate Democrat Rep. Rashida Tlaib says vote uncommitted in the Michigan primary because Biden's commitment to supporting Israel's genocide on Palestinians https://t.co/bohvix5hng pic.twitter.com/3NgIb5xGfe

— HalalFlow (@halalflow) February 20, 2024

Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Your endorsement of the idea that all or most college students spent 4 years studying why white men are evil adds fuel to my suspicion that you never attended college.

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movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Your endorsement of the idea that all or most college students spent 4 years studying why white men are evil adds fuel to my suspicion that you never attended college.

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Four years is an exaggeration. It was only one year as of 2009. It moved to two years in 2021.

Nitpicking minutia is a common tactic of people who can't argue the facts.

movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Does doing things to please your constituents now constitute "buying votes?"

If so, isn't every president (especially Trump) also guilty of the same?

sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Does doing things to please your constituents now constitute "buying votes?"

If so, isn't every president (especially Trump) also guilty of the same?

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Giving people money certainly constitutes buying votes.

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movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Does doing things to please your constituents now constitute "buying votes?"

If so, isn't every president (especially Trump) also guilty of the same?

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Giving people money certainly constitutes buying votes.

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Forgiving debt isn't quite the same as "giving people money," but okay.

How does this differ from what every president does?

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Does doing things to please your constituents now constitute "buying votes?"

If so, isn't every president (especially Trump) also guilty of the same?

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Giving people money certainly constitutes buying votes.

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Forgiving debt isn't quite the same as "giving people money," but okay.

How does this differ from what every president does?

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Can you be more specific about how past presidents have forgiven billions of dollars in individual debts? I missed this in my modern history class.

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Buying more votes.

Biden to cancel another $1.2 billion in student loans

I gotta admit - there’s nothing better than seeing my tax dollars used to buy votes from people who wasted 4 years studying why white men are evil pic.twitter.com/qcS1u7w8LZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 21, 2024

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Does doing things to please your constituents now constitute "buying votes?"

If so, isn't every president (especially Trump) also guilty of the same?

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Giving people money certainly constitutes buying votes.

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Forgiving debt isn't quite the same as "giving people money," but okay.

How does this differ from what every president does?

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Sorry, but that's exactly the same.

The only way forgiving debt and giving away money are meaningfully different is if there was no expectation that the debt will be repaid. This is obvious to everyone without a political agenda. If debt forgiveness is not free money, then allow the suckers who saved and scrimped to repay their loans the opportunity to take out a new loan and then forgive it. Allow the people who made the decision to forgo expensive student loans (i.e, went to cheaper schools, or passed on college altogether) the opportunity to take out a loan and then forgive it.

The student loan problem is so typical of the left's utter contempt for common sense and basic economics.

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This is a semantics argument. You can choose language intend to inflame outrage: "just giving money away", or you can choose language to accurately convey what is happing: forgiving student loans.

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This.

Again, regardless of how you choose to describe it, a president spending money on something that makes his base voters happy is hardly a novel occurrence. Why should it be considered "buying votes" when Biden does it? When Trump gave out Covid checks, was that the same thing?

As if that somehow gets you off the hook. As for Sycasey, who did the Covid checks go to? Who gets debt forgiveness? I'll give you some time to figure out the difference and what the ramifications are.

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AunBear89 said:

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This is a semantics argument. You can choose language intend to inflame outrage: "just giving money away", or you can choose language to accurately convey what is happing: forgiving student loans.

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This.

Again, regardless of how you choose to describe it, a president spending money on something that makes his base voters happy is hardly a novel occurrence. Why should it be considered "buying votes" when Biden does it? When Trump gave out Covid checks, was that the same thing?

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GOP prefers their giveaways in terms of tax cuts/breaks and industry "subsidies."

Was it buying votes when Trump gave $28B in direct payments to farmers?

This is why I have so many people on ignore. They are unserious people who would prefer no one have any substantive discussions because the modern MAGA conservatives always lose with substance. I get the desire to dunk on morons, and there are plenty of opportunities to do so here, so if that's the goal I'm all for it.

Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

Zippergate said:

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Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

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Instead of forgiving loans, they should have just tolled them without interest during the pandemic (or forgive all interest accumulated during the pandemic). That is a rational forgiveness of debt because of the circumstances of the pandemic as opposed to just giving people money...

Wait, the government already did that!

So basically you are moralizing. Frank Luntz had your type in his crosshairs 30 years ago. Righteous Righties everywhere.

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Zippergate said:

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Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

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Instead of forgiving loans, they should have just tolled them without interest during the pandemic (or forgive all interest accumulated during the pandemic). That is a rational forgiveness of debt because of the circumstances of the pandemic as opposed to just giving people money...

Wait, the government already did that!

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I don't mind people disagreeing with the policy. I'm not sure I agree with it.

It just seems silly to describe this as "buying votes," unless you're also going to call out every politician who does something similar (which is just about all of them).

sycasey said:

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I don't mind people disagreeing with the policy. I'm not sure I agree with it.

It just seems silly to describe this as "buying votes," unless you're also going to call out every politician who does something similar (which is just about all of them).

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This didn't happen in a vacuum. Obama took action to reign in the predatory private post secondary education industry which creates a disproportionate amount of these student loans. It's an awful industry and Obama was the first President to hold their feet to the fire. I'm not referring to Stanford, think Trump university and the like.

Of course, Trump brought in Betsy Devos and others who were in cahoots with the scam schools do they unwound the regulations.

The majority of the forgiven loans were for traditional programs but if the GOP had any interest in governing they could have done something to address the problem.

Instead of governing they are always focused first and foremost on tax cuts for the rich, followed by giveaways to their special interest donors and voters (farms, oil and gas subsidies).

And then the unserious people show up pushing talking points spoon fed to ignore real issues and obscure GOP chicanery.

Zippergate said:

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Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

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Not to mention, why are low-wage service workers paying off college loans for future attorneys, business people, and trans activists?

Eight months before an election to shore up his approval rating with young voters / stoners.

movielover said:

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Zippergate said:

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Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

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Not to mention, why are low-wage service workers paying off college loans for future attorneys, business people, and trans activists?

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They virtually aren't. Low wage service workers don't pay any substantial portion of federal income taxes.

dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Zippergate said:

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Unserious? Student loan borrowers AGREED TO REPAY their loans. They have a contractual obligation to do so and the Supreme Court has ruled that the President does not have the authority to forgive these loans. Hardly the same thing as the myriad of incentives, handouts and tax breaks both parties dole out on a regular basis.

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Not to mention, why are low-wage service workers paying off college loans for future attorneys, business people, and trans activists?

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They virtually aren't. Low wage service workers don't pay any substantial portion of federal income taxes.

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Do they pay sales taxes?