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In reply to BearGoggles • 7:34p, 1/20/25
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
Big C said:
Biden: Good first three years. Bad last year.
His behavior in the second half of his presidency (especially the last year) was shockingly selfish, given how much he'd been a "team player Democrat" for pretty much his entire career. Killed his reputation and hurt the party badly.

Perhaps this is reflective of him just diminishing with age.
It didn't hurt the party. Not having a functioning president - and then hiding that - hurt the entire country.

Odd and telling you only see partisan impacts.


Pro tip: just because I mentioned one effect doesn't mean I haven't thought about other effects. It doesn't have to be "telling."
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:50p, 1/20/25
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How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.

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In reply to movielover • 11:43p, 1/20/25
movielover said:
"Biden: Good first three years. Bad last year."

Delusional.

Afghanistan debacle.
$75 Billion in gear to militias, C-A, etc.
Russia-Ukraine War
Historic Inflation
Etc.



I look forward to the new, emboldened, almost "unchained" movielover: The next four years in OT might be really fun!
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2:53a, 1/21/25
Not all presidential pardons are immutable.

" "Preemptive" presidential pardons that can be shown to obstruct the administration of justice are ILLEGAL and violate the presidential oath to uphold the law. As such, they are null and void."

Similar to the legal standard that fraud vitiates everything which follows it.

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In reply to movielover • 8:18a, 1/21/25
I believe this is incorrect. Per an 1800s SCOTUS decision pardons can be issued any time after the commission of a crime.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 8:36a, 1/21/25
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.


Nope.
You've been proven to be WRONG again.
McKeever filed no such lawsuit against the University.
Duh.

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In reply to movielover • 8:39a, 1/21/25
movielover said:
Not all presidential pardons are immutable.

" "Preemptive" presidential pardons that can be shown to obstruct the administration of justice are ILLEGAL and violate the presidential oath to uphold the law. As such, they are null and void."

And you're WRONG again too.

Overview of Pardon Power | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
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9:12a, 1/21/25
Mary McCord is only pardoned regarding her work on the J6 Committee, if she was a bona-fide staffer. Nothing else. No blanket pardon for McCord or Michael Byrd.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 10:20a, 1/21/25
Are you ever going to answer me on what you want Trump to do first? Its very odd that you won't answer this very basic and essential political question.
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In reply to philly1121 • 12:29p, 1/21/25
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Are you ever going to answer me on what you want Trump to do first? Its very odd that you won't answer this very basic and essential political question.


See yesterday. So much to be done, and undone.

This will be a unique start given his prior knowledge, 2+ years to gear up, knowledge of the players, new megaphone X (Elon), and newly stated plenary power of the presidency by the Supremes, knee-capping a lot of the Lawfare games.

Seal the border; restart Wall construction
Unleash energy production, incl Alaska
Exit Paris Accord, WHO
Communicate positivity to the American public
Remove 1K - 3K Obama political plants
Install his people
Return all Federal workers to the office
Unleash DOGE, hopefully well timed
Kneecap IC traitors
Gut FBI political Brownshirts
Further Ukraine War talks
Start deportations
Push California to clean forests and store more water; Go Big

Newsom, who I don't like, should counter and demand that the Federal govt - likewise - clean (maintain) its 60% holding of Federal forests in our State. Immediately.

This aids employment, and should bring down prices for some wood products. Reducing (thinning) appropriate forests may also increase the health of the uncut trees, which will have more water and produce more sap to fight off beetle infestation. Remove non-native trees, where appropriate.

Go Big - Water: push to speed up Sites Reservoir construction; revisit the expansion of Los Vaqueros Reservoir; and immediately fast-track replenishing our aquifers. (Trillions of gallons of fresh water flow out to the Pacific every year.)
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12:40p, 1/21/25
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:07p, 1/21/25
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.
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1:10p, 1/21/25
Slight recap of the first day:



Price of eggs tho. Which are actually now $7.49/dozen where I live. An increase since he took office.
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In reply to philly1121 • 1:18p, 1/21/25
philly1121 said:
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.


I asked my wife, who is very smart and a Democrat (not always an oxymoron), if Musk gave a Nazi salute. She believes it was accidental and you are full of crap.
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In reply to oski003 • 1:28p, 1/21/25
In my decades on earth I've never seen anyone throw a Nazi salute (only historical clips and movies), let alone a Jewish brother.
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In reply to philly1121 • 1:30p, 1/21/25
philly1121 said:
Are you ever going to answer me on what you want Trump to do first? Its very odd that you won't answer this very basic and essential political question.
I wanted him to replace Biden. After that, the order of actions doesn't matter to me. Unlike Biden, Trump is capable of multi-tasking. He seems like he's off to a good start with the border and implementing the other mandates he received.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 1:39p, 1/21/25
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.


Nope.
You've been proven to be WRONG again.
McKeever filed no such lawsuit against the University.
Duh.

No - she's just repeatedly stated she's planning to file a lawsuit and very likely she's going through an arbitration or other administrative challenge process.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/mckeever-to-sue-cal

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/02/02/fired-swim-coach-teri-mckeever-preparing-to-sue-cal/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-03/uc-berkeley-womens-swim-coach-fired-plans-lawsuit
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In reply to oski003 • 1:57p, 1/21/25
oski003 said:
philly1121 said:
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.


I asked my wife, who is very smart and a Democrat (not always an oxymoron), if Musk gave a Nazi salute. She believes it was accidental and you are full of crap.
I'll take Things That Never Happened for $1,000, Ken.

I'll also add you to the apologist ranks.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 1:58p, 1/21/25
BearGoggles said:
philly1121 said:
Are you ever going to answer me on what you want Trump to do first? Its very odd that you won't answer this very basic and essential political question.
I wanted him to replace Biden. After that, the order of actions doesn't matter to me. Unlike Biden, Trump is capable of multi-tasking. He seems like he's off to a good start with the border and implementing the other mandates he received.

This represents what the real definition of TDS should mean: believing everything Trump does is by definition right, including the order and timing of his actions.
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In reply to OsoDorado • 2:00p, 1/21/25
From what I know, Trump made no significant actions to thin Federal forests in California in term 1. No Bueno.
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In reply to movielover • 2:15p, 1/21/25
movielover said:
From what I know, Trump made no significant actions to thin Federal forests in California in term 1. No Bueno.
I also recall Newsom explaining to him that the vast majority of forest land in California is federal land. The problem is not only on the state government.
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In reply to OsoDorado • 2:21p, 1/21/25
OsoDorado said:
BearGoggles said:
philly1121 said:
Are you ever going to answer me on what you want Trump to do first? Its very odd that you won't answer this very basic and essential political question.
I wanted him to replace Biden. After that, the order of actions doesn't matter to me. Unlike Biden, Trump is capable of multi-tasking. He seems like he's off to a good start with the border and implementing the other mandates he received.

This represents what the real definition of TDS should mean: believing everything Trump does is by definition right, including the order and timing of his actions.
Actually, the definition of TDS is reading words and interpreting them to means something totally different than what was said, all because of Trump. That is you.

READ THE WORDS. I never said that "everything" Trump does is right (or by definition right). You are literally making that ish up.
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In reply to sycasey • 2:26p, 1/21/25
sycasey said:
movielover said:
From what I know, Trump made no significant actions to thin Federal forests in California in term 1. No Bueno.
I also recall Newsom explaining to him that the vast majority of forest land in California is federal land. The problem is not only on the state government.
This is a fair and reasonable point. Federal efforts at brush clearing are just as deficient as California's (and those of cities/counties).

That being said, I believe most of the California fires causing the worst death and destruction to structures have NOT been on Federal lands. The worst federal fires tend to burn a lot of area but not cause as much damage to structures/people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_wildfires
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In reply to philly1121 • 2:35p, 1/21/25
philly1121 said:
oski003 said:
philly1121 said:
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.


I asked my wife, who is very smart and a Democrat (not always an oxymoron), if Musk gave a Nazi salute. She believes it was accidental and you are full of crap.
I'll take Things That Never Happened for $1,000, Ken.

I'll also add you to the apologist ranks.


Can you venmo me $1,000? You are so radical, you can't even imagine this happened.
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In reply to philly1121 • 3:02p, 1/21/25
philly1121 said:
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.

Tricks are for kids. Don't be a kid, don't be a hater.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 3:17p, 1/21/25
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.


Nope.
You've been proven to be WRONG again.
McKeever filed no such lawsuit against the University.
Duh.

No - she's just repeatedly stated she's planning to file a lawsuit and very likely she's going through an arbitration or other administrative challenge process.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/mckeever-to-sue-cal

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/02/02/fired-swim-coach-teri-mckeever-preparing-to-sue-cal/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-03/uc-berkeley-womens-swim-coach-fired-plans-lawsuit
You said that she sued as predicted.
There is no evidence of that.

Is she still PLANNNING to sue?


It's been nearly 2 years.
lol

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In reply to oski003 • 3:22p, 1/21/25
oski003 said:
philly1121 said:
oski003 said:
philly1121 said:
bear2034 said:
After a spectacular inauguration and first day, all the Democrats have is outrage over Elon which was instigated by legacy media. Where is the grassroots energy from the left?
Musk apologist. You know damn well what he meant. Grassroots energy from the left is calling his "salute" a Nazi salute. Which is what it was. I would call you a different apologist but I would likely have my post taken down.

You're still not going to answer me. I think that exposes your faulty thought processes. You'd rather throw a grenade into a room and watch people scramble than to actually build something. But, that's MAGA.


I asked my wife, who is very smart and a Democrat (not always an oxymoron), if Musk gave a Nazi salute. She believes it was accidental and you are full of crap.
I'll take Things That Never Happened for $1,000, Ken.

I'll also add you to the apologist ranks.


Can you venmo me $1,000? You are so radical, you can't even imagine this happened.
No I can't because it is absurd that any free thinker would believe otherwise. He didn't do it just once. He did it twice.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:02p, 1/21/25
sycasey said:
movielover said:
From what I know, Trump made no significant actions to thin Federal forests in California in term 1. No Bueno.
I also recall Newsom explaining to him that the vast majority of forest land in California is federal land. The problem is not only on the state government.


60%. Again, more deflection and kick-the-can-down-the-road non leadership. He also exaggerated by over 600% as to how much fire suppression work was completed.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 5:11p, 1/21/25
BearGoggles said:
sycasey said:
movielover said:
From what I know, Trump made no significant actions to thin Federal forests in California in term 1. No Bueno.
I also recall Newsom explaining to him that the vast majority of forest land in California is federal land. The problem is not only on the state government.
This is a fair and reasonable point. Federal efforts at brush clearing are just as deficient as California's (and those of cities/counties).

That being said, I believe most of the California fires causing the worst death and destruction to structures have NOT been on Federal lands. The worst federal fires tend to burn a lot of area but not cause as much damage to structures/people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_wildfires


Everybody passes the buck, they don't want to commit dollars to fire prevention that could be spent on DEI, open drug use, or regional pet projects. They also don't want to anger part of their support base, radical Environmentalists and their lawyers. Education is also needed.

Clearing brush, having small controlled burns, reducing "ladder fuels" that allow fires to jump to mature trees has been needed for decades.

Thinning and logging trees - where usable - would help defray costs. Planting native trees that are fire resistant helps, as does cutting fire breaks. Some forests are massively overgrown. These types burned down Yelliwstone and didn't learn.

I'm waiting for the calculation on how many Billion tons of CO2 went into the atmosphere, how many mice and endangered shrubs were killed, and how much pollution spilled into coastal waters.
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In reply to movielover • 7:38p, 1/21/25
Movielover, if you think Dred Scott should be the law of the land, then perhaps a little cultural competence training might help.

eh, nah. You're beyond anything.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:15p, 1/21/25
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.


Nope.
You've been proven to be WRONG again.
McKeever filed no such lawsuit against the University.
Duh.

No - she's just repeatedly stated she's planning to file a lawsuit and very likely she's going through an arbitration or other administrative challenge process.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/mckeever-to-sue-cal

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/02/02/fired-swim-coach-teri-mckeever-preparing-to-sue-cal/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-03/uc-berkeley-womens-swim-coach-fired-plans-lawsuit
You said that she sued as predicted.
There is no evidence of that.

Is she still PLANNNING to sue?


It's been nearly 2 years.
lol

Have you considered the possibility that she has asserted her claim and it is being handled through mediation/arbitration or even subject to a tolling agreement? Or that the claim was settled confidentially (unlikely but possible)? UC is defending the swimmer's lawsuit and still has not announced the results of its investigation of Knowlton and Simon-O'Neil. McKeever and Cal's interested are largely aligned in defending that lawsuit . . . use your brain to consider how that impacts McKeever's claims against Cal (and vice versa).

Your posting shows you have no understanding of due process requirements, the overall legal process, and how complex legal claims are pursued and settled in the real world. Do you think McKeever just abandoned her claims? 2 years is nothing, particularly in a situation like this.
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2:31p, 1/22/25

Hardly a letter you'd write to Hitler to read.
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In reply to BearGoggles • 2:41p, 1/22/25
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
BearGoggles said:
DiabloWags said:
How did defending Teri McKeever work out for you?
Pretty good actually. I support her due process rights even if: (i) I don't support what she allegedly did; (ii) the allegations may have been mischaracterized/exaggerated; and (iii) Cal has bungled the process and taken far too long to resolve it. And, as I predicted, she sued which is one of the reasons I thought Cal needed to be careful. I have been proven correct on that front.

FYI - I know you've lost the debate every time you randomly pivot to McKeever. It is quite enjoyable.


Nope.
You've been proven to be WRONG again.
McKeever filed no such lawsuit against the University.
Duh.

No - she's just repeatedly stated she's planning to file a lawsuit and very likely she's going through an arbitration or other administrative challenge process.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/mckeever-to-sue-cal

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/02/02/fired-swim-coach-teri-mckeever-preparing-to-sue-cal/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-03/uc-berkeley-womens-swim-coach-fired-plans-lawsuit
You said that she sued as predicted.
There is no evidence of that.

Is she still PLANNNING to sue?


It's been nearly 2 years.
lol

Have you considered the possibility that she has asserted her claim and it is being handled through mediation/arbitration or even subject to a tolling agreement? Or that the claim was settled confidentially (unlikely but possible)? UC is defending the swimmer's lawsuit and still has not announced the results of its investigation of Knowlton and Simon-O'Neil. McKeever and Cal's interested are largely aligned in defending that lawsuit . . . use your brain to consider how that impacts McKeever's claims against Cal (and vice versa).

Your posting shows you have no understanding of due process requirements, the overall legal process, and how complex legal claims are pursued and settled in the real world. Do you think McKeever just abandoned her claims? 2 years is nothing, particularly in a situation like this.

Your posting continues to show that you were 100% WRONG about McKeever having sued UC.
All you do is deflect and spin "away" from that most salient FACT.
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