Official Biden / Harris Administration Thread

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sycasey
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bear2034 said:

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Zippergate said:

No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.


Trump didn't jail Joe Biden who was his political opponent in 2020. Meanwhile, Trump's campaign was spied on by the Democrats in 2016. Hillary Clinton is also a career criminal and should be investigated and prosecuted.

Try to keep up, Skippy. The claim was that Trump's audience didn't want to jail his political opponents. For a group that doesn't want to do that, they sure chanted for it a lot.
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movielover said:

Does she carry hot sauce in her purse?


I can't believe you guys have had 4+ years and never accused Kamala Harris of being a Canadian mole.
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sycasey said:

bear2034 said:

sycasey said:

Zippergate said:

No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.


Trump didn't jail Joe Biden who was his political opponent in 2020. Meanwhile, Trump's campaign was spied on by the Democrats in 2016. Hillary Clinton is also a career criminal and should be investigated and prosecuted.

Try to keep up, Skippy. The claim was that Trump's audience didn't want to jail his political opponents. For a group that doesn't want to do that, they sure chanted for it a lot.

They want justice. Don't we all?
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Big C said:


Trump's opposition had sorta started the ball rolling to yell "Lock him up!" to the convicted felon when appearing in public. Then came the assassination attempt and they felt like it would be a mean thing to do.

But the gloves will come off again pretty soon.


You're predicting another Deep State assassination attempt?

Democrats also seeded the attempt with labeling him "Hitler" and "a threat to democracy". Rich from a party (Obama / Pelosi) who just pushed Biden and 15 million votes out.
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movielover said:




It doesn't matter. He said his wife was a good mother and then all the intolerant liberals got really upset because that means he is apparently dismissing all of her non-maternal qualities. In order to get liberal respect, while wearing a pink thong and dress, he should have told the public she was sexy and shagged like a minsk.

Loving someone for being a good mother is so ... Weird.
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bearister said:

Republican Party, post Obama:

" What was left was an intellectually and morally desiccated carcass populated by con artists, opportunists, entertainers and grifters operating massively profitable book publishers, radio empires, websites, and a TV network whose stock-in-trade are not ideas but resentments."
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MAGA / President Trump isn't a RINO, GOPe, or UniParty.

MAGA has many similarities to Democrats from the 1980s. Anti war, pro America, pro worker party.

The Democrats now support endless wars, the elite, and illegal immigrants.
Zippergate
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Ironic isn't it? And it completely escapes the Democrats who have become radical progressives without even realizing it.
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Zippergate said:

Ironic isn't it? And it completely escapes the Democrats who have become radical progressives without even realizing it.

Ask Yogi, Matt Taibbi and Tulsi Gabbard what percentage of Democrats they believe are radical Progressives. The reason those three are Anti anti tRumpers and thus de facto tRumpists, is because they want to punish Democrats for not letting the radical Progressives take over the party and they back tRump with the hopes he will destabilize America and pave the way for their revolution.

Does it make Republicans, I mean tRumpists, since tRump is the party, feel better to cast every person that doesn't support tRump as a radical Progressive?

Yogi has been familiar with my political views for years on BI. More than once, he has accused me of actually being a Republican.
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sycasey
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Zippergate said:

Ironic isn't it? And it completely escapes the Democrats who have become radical progressives without even realizing it.
I know, thank God we have the Right to tell us what to think.
Zippergate
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And you call us unhinged tin foil hat wackos?
Zippergate
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That zing was a lot funnier in the other context where it actually made sense. RFK Jr is the Democratic Party of old and you people want nothing to do with him.
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Joe Rogan isn't a "right-winger" and Michael Malice is an anarchist. They noticed something odd about Joe Biden's height and walking movements the last couple of weeks. Did Joe Biden grow taller or does he have a body double?
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Zippergate said:

That zing was a lot funnier in the other context where it actually made sense. RFK Jr is the Democratic Party of old and you people want nothing to do with him.
Again, thank God we have you here to tell me what I really believe.
bear2034
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Thoughts? You know this is way more interesting than fictional Vance stories. lol.
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Zippergate said:

And you call us unhinged tin foil hat wackos?

Would love to hear your learned take on the 180 pulled by Yogi, Taibbi and Tulsi, and their movement, but then again that would take some research and analysis. MAGAS are quite content believing that they won the argument on the strength of a Hee Haw caliber one liner.
*Yogi is a smart guy. Do you really think he buys the tRump moronic bullsh@it and respects his supporters just because he upvotes your posts?
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bearister said:

Zippergate said:

And you call us unhinged tin foil hat wackos?

Would love to hear your learned take on the 180 pulled by Yogi, Taibbi and Tulsi, and their movement, but then again that would take some research and analysis. MAGAS are quite content believing that they won the argument on the strength of a Hee Haw caliber one liner.
*Yogi is a smart guy. Do you really think he buys the tRump moronic bull**** and respects his supporters just because he upvotes your posts?

What's more likely, that they all pulled a 180 or the Democrats moved further left, coinciding with the woke movement? You can include Bill Maher on that list of people as well.
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Unfamiliar with the Yogi drama but I do have great respect for Taibbi and Tulsi, neither of whom are conservatives. To each his own, of course, but in what way is Kamala a superior candidate to Tulsi?
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Zippergate said:

Unfamiliar with the Yogi drama but I do have great respect for Taibbi and Tulsi, neither of whom are conservatives. To each his own, of course, but in what way is Kamala a superior candidate to Tulsi?
Tulsi has been more of a nationalist than conservative. She is in a lot of ways the nationalist that Bernie Sanders used to be, which of course is very close to the nationalists that comprise MAGA. She also has sympathies for Russia against NATO, once again very similar to MAGA, with views that USA needs to stop intervening in world affairs. She is a bit of a wild card, like supporting single payer system for universal health care. I think of her as a socially conservative version of Bernie Sanders. What most in MAGA don't realize is how far MAGA is from conservative values and how much closer they are to the democratic socialism with nationalistic views that Sanders used to champion.
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Zippergate said:

Unfamiliar with the Yogi drama but I do have great respect for Taibbi and Tulsi, neither of whom are conservatives. To each his own, of course, but in what way is Kamala a superior candidate to Tulsi?

What is Tulsi, then? She said she would be proud to be tRump's VP.
At least Kamala isn't a Putin fangirl.
After ending her presidential campaign, Gabbard has since taken more conservative positions on culture war and social issues, including abortion and transgender rights.

In October 2022, Gabbard announced that she had left the Democratic Party altogether, citing their positions on foreign policy and social issues as reasons for her departure. Gabbard campaigned for several Republican candidates in the 2022 midterm elections.

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movielover said:

MAGA / President Trump isn't a RINO, GOPe, or UniParty.

MAGA has many similarities to Democrats from the 1980s. Anti war, pro America, pro worker party.

The Democrats now support endless wars, the elite, and illegal immigrants.


Donold is anti union, pro corporate power, against regulations that help workers. Donold is a neoliberal who supports low taxes on the rich and low regulation.

Biden / Harris support unions, smart regulations, anti- trust that benefits employee competitiveness.

You guys are all talk, no substance.
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movielover said:

MAGA / President Trump isn't a RINO, GOPe, or UniParty.

MAGA has many similarities to Democrats from the 1980s. Anti war, pro America, pro worker party.

The Democrats now support endless wars, the elite, and illegal immigrants.
Clarification. MAGA is not the Democrats from the 80s.

MAGA is more like Bernie's Democratic Socialism from the 80s. with shades of Jimmy Carter in the late 70s.

Failed policies like high tariffs, stifling of competition, deglobalization that will reduce the quality of life for most Americans and raise inflation with recession, more regulation with promotion for autocrats like Lina Khan, weakening our influence with disastrous impact like Jimmy Carter, increase deficit, etc.

Nothing about MAGA's populist movement is conservative or truly Republican values of less regulation, more competition, more high value immigration, free trade, raising the quality of life, encouraging hard work and strong military, law and order, etc.
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movielover said:



To be fair, Kamala did embrace Black American culture, by for example choosing to attend Howard University, and also by dating Black men like Arsenio Hall or Willie Brown.
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Mixed-race people seem to be a hard concept for some folks.
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I supported the President that gave Lina Khan the job. You didn't. That makes you the fake.
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Fell Out of Cocunut Tree said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

MAGA / President Trump isn't a RINO, GOPe, or UniParty.

MAGA has many similarities to Democrats from the 1980s. Anti war, pro America, pro worker party.

The Democrats now support endless wars, the elite, and illegal immigrants.


Donold is anti union, pro corporate power, against regulations that help workers. Donold is a neoliberal who supports low taxes on the rich and low regulation.

Biden / Harris support unions, smart regulations, anti- trust that benefits employee competitiveness.

You guys are all talk, no substance.
Says the guy who was talking up Lina Khan earlier in the year, but is running away from hard truth that tech billionaires and Wall Street guys are throwing massive amounts of money at the Democratic Party to get Khan fired.

You are all talk and fake as **** and far too much of a cowardly hypocrite to engage on the truth that the Democratic Party is the party of the rich.




The extreme far left and the extreme far right love Lina Khan.

Both anti-business and anti-capitalism.

There really isn't a lot to separate the populism of Elizabeth Warren / AOC from that of JD Vance. Both anti-business and anti-globalization. Both nationalist, regulation, and social engineering. Of course they pretend they are different by fighting stupid social war, but different sides of the same coin.
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Victor Davis Hanson: "Her [Kamala Harris] most infamous demagoguery was her CBS interview with Steven Colbert when she boasted that the ongoing 2020 protests (quite violent despite her fact-checkers' efforts to "contextualize" Harris's vitriol) would not cease:

"They're not going to stop. This is a movement, I'm telling you. They're not going to stop, and everyone beware, because they're not going to stop. They're not going to stop before Election Day in November and they're not going to stop after Election Day. They're not going to let up and they should not, and we should not." "
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Zippergate said:

Unfamiliar with the Yogi drama
Yeah, right. Even if you're not Yogi, you've been on BI long enough to know his history here.
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calbear93 said:

Zippergate said:

Unfamiliar with the Yogi drama but I do have great respect for Taibbi and Tulsi, neither of whom are conservatives. To each his own, of course, but in what way is Kamala a superior candidate to Tulsi?
Tulsi has been more of a nationalist than conservative. She is in a lot of ways the nationalist that Bernie Sanders used to be, which of course is very close to the nationalists that comprise MAGA. She also has sympathies for Russia against NATO, once again very similar to MAGA, with views that USA needs to stop intervening in world affairs. She is a bit of a wild card, like supporting single payer system for universal health care. I think of her as a socially conservative version of Bernie Sanders. What most in MAGA don't realize is how far MAGA is from conservative values and how much closer they are to the democratic socialism with nationalistic views that Sanders used to champion.
"[D]emocratic socialism"? You dropped in a major premise with no argument supporting it. I think MAGA represents a populist appeal from a social and fiscal conservative POV. I will agree that populists on both sides will find themselves agreeing on some issues, simply because those two groups, though, I believe deliberately and artificially polarized these days, compromise the vast majority of the citizenry and, ironically, without intense political provocation, live and work, side by side, and, daily, face the same, ordinary issues, together. One common issue, right now, is the cost of living. Wealthy people might recognize it, but the majority feel it until it hurts these days. So, solution?

Liberal populists may want higher minimum wages (watch the wage-push inflation to ensue), price controls, guaranteed income, et cetera.

Conservative populists may want increased small business loans, lower taxes, tariffs, more stringent borders, et cetera.

Two sides of the same coin. I grew up middle class with most neighbors being blue collars or farmers. The kids I grew up with were in New Deal Democrat families. We did not see eye to eye on many subjects, but, now, as we've aged, we're mostly on the same page. But our common struggles and needs are the same. And today's hippie, may be tomorrow's free speech conservative. The idea that we may shout at each other until the other side gives up. Effectively trying to silence that other voice is neither free speech nor healthy democracy of any form.

MAGA itself, is a slogan not a static state of being. MAGA voters span a wide spectrum from moderate to, yes, crazy and ridiculous. I did not vote for Trump in 2016, instead I voted Libertarian. I found Trump to be abrasive, pugnacious, seemingly dogmatic (although I have learned to believe his promises), and more than willing to share unpleasant facts. As time wore I began to appreciate him more and more. He says much BS- or what most would consider such, but he makes things work.

I don't ask anyone to like or love him, that's too much. But many people who hated him, have changed their minds. C'est le guerre politic.
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calbear93 said:

movielover said:

MAGA / President Trump isn't a RINO, GOPe, or UniParty.

MAGA has many similarities to Democrats from the 1980s. Anti war, pro America, pro worker party.

The Democrats now support endless wars, the elite, and illegal immigrants.
Clarification. MAGA is not the Democrats from the 80s.

MAGA is more like Bernie's Democratic Socialism from the 80s. with shades of Jimmy Carter in the late 70s.

Failed policies like high tariffs, stifling of competition, deglobalization that will reduce the quality of life for most Americans and raise inflation with recession, more regulation with promotion for autocrats like Lina Khan, weakening our influence with disastrous impact like Jimmy Carter, increase deficit, etc.

Nothing about MAGA's populist movement is conservative or truly Republican values of less regulation, more competition, more high value immigration, free trade, raising the quality of life, encouraging hard work and strong military, law and order, etc.

Correct. Democrats in the 80s were the birth of neoliberals, in response to the supposed "tax and spend" liberals of the late '60s and '70s (especially a guy like George McGovern who got shellacked by Nixon in '72). "Neoliberal" has a bad connotation now, but the general idea was that, for America to prosper, government cannot totally stifle the private sector. Bill Clinton was basically the culmination of the movement, but now both parties recognize that, to some extent, businesses need to be able to prosper (though with some regulation).

Trump is a faux-populist, who talks about tariffs (usually a bad idea), but at the same time strips away most regulation, taxes and oversight of businesses (especially ones he is personally involved in).
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