The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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1:11p, 10/20/24
How Israel decimated Hamas and Hezbollah leadership in three months


https://www.axios.com/2024/10/20/israel-assassinations-sinwar-hamas-hezbollah
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2:40p, 10/20/24
Hezbollah missiles directed at / hit Bibi's home.

This isn't going to end well.
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7:28p, 10/20/24
Israeli teacher put in solitary confinement for criticizing the war on Gaza. His students turned on him.





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In reply to AunBear89 • 8:33p, 10/20/24
This is a good primer/vulgarisation of the conflict for you (bottom video).

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9:31a, 10/21/24
Now we need a video where some goofy dude says "One side steals the aid intended for Palestinian people; tells the world the UN is responsible for governing the Palestinian people (not them); puts weapons and fighters in hospitals, schools and homes; has terrorists masquerading as UN workers; tortures and kills its own people if they do / say anything positive about Jews/Israel; has as its core policy the killing of all Jews; uses Palestinian civilians as human shields...and magically convinces some amount of the world population to act like lemmings and believe they are victims."
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 9:42a, 10/21/24
tequila4kapp said:
Now we need a video where some goofy dude says "One side steals the aid intended for Palestinian people; tells the world the UN is responsible for governing the Palestinian people (not them); puts weapons and fighters in hospitals, schools and homes; has terrorists masquerading as UN workers; tortures and kills its own people if they do / say anything positive about Jews/Israel; has as its core policy the killing of all Jews; uses Palestinian civilians as human shields...and magically convinces some amount of the world population to act like lemmings and believe they are victims."

So basically, a compilation of the usual set of Israeli hasbara or propaganda, which has been working fairly well to date with segments like older conservatives, with as the exclamation point in chutzpah the Israeli claim to victimhood, 50,000+ Palestinian lives through this mass slaughter.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:47a, 10/21/24
Every single item is true. Every. Single. Item.
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8:54a, 10/24/24
Incredibly wrong:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl/index.html
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In reply to Genocide Joe 100 • 9:11p, 10/24/24
This is incredibly insulting, and embarrassing.
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5:03p, 10/25/24
Here we go…

https://abc7news.com/post/israeli-military-launches-strikes-targets-iran-officials-say/15470451/

Israel bombs Iran: Explosions are heard across Tehran as IDF strike



https://mol.im/a/14004161
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In reply to Genocide Joe 99 • 5:41p, 10/25/24
…..but Cal88 will tell you tRump will be worse than Harris with regard to giving Israel the green light to act as it deems appropriate. There is a reason Bibi and the Right Wingers in Israel are All In for tRump.

It will be interesting if this criticism keeps up if tRump wins.
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7:26a, 10/27/24
Israel strike crippled Iran's missile production: Sources


https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/israel-strike-iran-missile-production
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In reply to bearister • 9:34a, 10/27/24
bearister said:
…..but Cal88 will tell you tRump will be worse than Harris with regard to giving Israel the green light to act as it deems appropriate. There is a reason Bibi and the Right Wingers in Israel are All In for tRump.

It will be interesting if this criticism keeps up if tRump wins.

Yes, Trump is terrible on Israel, bought out by nearly a quarter billion dollar donations from hardcore zionists like the Adelsons. This being said, I don't think there is much daylight between him and the people who have been running US policy there, mainly Blinken and former IDF soldier Amos Hochstein, who have been running the show and who have given Netanyahu everything he wants, $20B in non-stop vast military convoys allowing the ongoing genocide.

Blinken has OKd acts like the ongoing medieval starvation of Gazans and the attacks on hospitals and humanitarian workers.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:46a, 10/27/24
It's all opinion but mine is you are probably correct about daylight between Biden and Trump, just differences around the edges in how far they'll publicly go and how nuanced they'll be. I expect there will be tremendous daylight between Harris and Trump, with Harris - once unshackled from an election cycle - turning to her AOC / Socialist roots and being profoundly anti-Israel
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 10:13a, 10/27/24
"AOC/Socialist roots"?!? There really isn't anything that Trump's GOP could tell you that you wouldn't believe whole heartedly.

If Trump told you tomorrow that Cal 44 OSU 7 was fake news and a socialist fascist plot, you would be posting the same here an hour later, along with the rest of the BI Conservative Clowncar.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 10:21a, 10/27/24
tequila4kapp said:
It's all opinion but mine is you are probably correct about daylight between Biden and Trump, just differences around the edges in how far they'll publicly go and how nuanced they'll be. I expect there will be tremendous daylight between Harris and Trump, with Harris - once unshackled from an election cycle - turning to her AOC / Socialist roots and being profoundly anti-Israel

I haven't seen anything from Kamala that indicates that she will veer towards a more moderate stance on Israel. As well in Europe the most rabid pro-zionists have been leftists like Keir Starmer in the UK and Annalena Baerbock in Germany, who recently stated that Israel has a right to bomb hospitals and residential neighborhoods.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 11:35a, 10/27/24
"Harris - once unshackled from an election cycle - turning to her AOC / Socialist roots…"

Yes, Yogi and Matt Taibbi fully endorse this line of thinking about Harris.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 1 • 3:42p, 10/27/24
I haven't been a cheerleader in this thread.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 1 • 4:43p, 10/27/24
Remind us: when was the last time you were critical of Republicans and/or Trump.


Or are we waiting for the first time?
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5:14p, 10/27/24
A Trump win is gonna be great for Palestine.

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In reply to AunBear89 • 5:28p, 10/27/24
AunBear89 said:
Remind us: when was the last time you were critical of Republicans and/or Trump.


Or are we waiting for the first time?
It would also be nice to find out when he has ever disagreed with a Russian apologist Twitter account.
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In reply to sycasey • 5:31p, 10/27/24
sycasey said:
A Trump win is gonna be great for Palestine.

Really great.

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In reply to sycasey • 5:44p, 10/27/24
I didn't even realize Rudy was still a thing.


*My recollection is he told the young lady that he was tucking in his shirt. Yeah, sure.
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In reply to bearister • 6:05p, 10/27/24
bearister said:
I didn't even realize Rudy was still a thing.

Rudy isn't quite to the point of living in a cardboard box under the Expressway, but it's possibly not that far off.
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In reply to bearister • 7:58p, 10/27/24
bearister said:
I didn't even realize Rudy was still a thing.

Rudy is right and still triggers the libs. I love it.


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In reply to AunBear89 • 3:33p, 10/28/24
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"AOC/Socialist roots"?!? There really isn't anything that Trump's GOP could tell you that you wouldn't believe whole heartedly.

If Trump told you tomorrow that Cal 44 OSU 7 was fake news and a socialist fascist plot, you would be posting the same here an hour later, along with the rest of the BI Conservative Clowncar.
Per CNN:
In 2019, GovTrack, a non-partisan organization that tracks bills in Congress, ranked Harris as the "most liberal compared to All Senators.


Per The Hill
The Voteview project (now based at UCLA) has, since the 1980s * * * locate(d) all senators and representatives on a liberal-conservative ideological map.
* * *
In the 115th Congress (2017-2019) * * * Harris had the third-most liberal voting record, after Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.).

In the 116th Congress (2019-2020) * * * Harris had the second-most liberal voting record after Warren.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:21p, 10/28/24
None of what you describe is socialism. Typical conservative hyperbole. Anything to the left is Socialist. It's always been that way. Since Nixon.
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In reply to bear2034 • 4:43p, 10/28/24
bear2034 said:





Why would Hillary draw a Hitler/tRump parallel? Makes no sense.

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6:33p, 10/28/24


Most of these losses are from Gaza, but the Lebanon war is going to be far bloodier for Israel due to the terrain, equipment and training of Hezbollah troops.
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In reply to Genocide Joe 4 • 8:21p, 10/28/24
Democrat Onions said:






Bibi wants America to fight his next war against the local big boy, just like he got us to invade Iraq and Libya:

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In reply to Cal88 • 3:05p, 11/2/24
….and tRump will be Bibi's business partner once he clears and preps all the beach front building pads in Gaza.
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In reply to bearister • 3:58p, 11/2/24
bearister said:
….and tRump will be Bibi's business partner once he clears and preps all the beach front building pads in Gaza.

The whole blob is in on it. Trump rubber-stamped the Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights, where oil was discovered and licenses granted to a company owned by these people:

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The president of its Israeli subsidiary is Effie Eitam. Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney since 2009 (former vice president of the United States),[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy#cite_note-3][3][/url] Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman of News Corp), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

The bigger deals to be made in Gaza are in the offshore gas, which Israel is grabbing along with a chunk of Gaza. Adam Hochstein, the Biden administration point man in Israel, is in the thick of it.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/11/what-does-us-envoy-hochsteins-trip-israel-mean-gazas-offshore-gas

The plan is to supply Europe with this gas, part of the reason Blinken and co blew up Nordstream. Blinken's focus on gas pipelines to Europe goes back decades ago.

https://www.amazon.ca/stores/Antony-J.-Blinken/author/B001HQ5FHO?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
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5:01p, 11/2/24
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxgRGEfLfVAOpLcNRrjzWMnSPDEz_er-Ne

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12:59p, 11/6/24
Is the war over yet? Trump has said he could end these conflicts on day one. Why wait until January? Get the necessary parties on the phone and do what you promised.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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