Unit2Sucks said:

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I think the discussions we have been having are now academic. If the country is able to successfully negotiate its way through the COVID19 outbreak, Trump skates to victory. If we have significant impacts (TBD on exactly what that means), Trump will be the scapegoat and Bernie will tout how M4A would have been better (Biden will point out that him not being an anti-science liar would have been better).

I think "success" will largely depend on how bad things get outside the country but I think anything in the neighborhood of 100k dead americans will be impossible for Trump to overcome. It would mean that our healthcare system was pushed far beyond the brink and potentially millions of Americans will have suffered catastrophic financial distress. The human impact plus the economic impact will be staggering. Anything less than 20k deaths will be a relief and Trump will rightfully tout how he navigated us through the worst public health crisis in the last 20 years. I hope that's what happens although it would mean 4 more years of Trump.

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Y2K appeared to be nothing because numerous people worked very hard for you to have a seamless transition. For example, for a few months every weekend I flew with a team from Los Angeles to Milwaukee to do testing on new code. That was just one team from one minor financial firm.

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Y2K appeared to be nothing because numerous people worked very hard for you to have a seamless transition. For example, for a few months every weekend I flew with a team from Los Angeles to Milwaukee to do testing on new code. That was just one team from one minor financial firm.

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I worked on Y2K stuff. It was easily solved. Don't try and make it sound more heroic than it was.

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Y2K appeared to be nothing because numerous people worked very hard for you to have a seamless transition. For example, for a few months every weekend I flew with a team from Los Angeles to Milwaukee to do testing on new code. That was just one team from one minor financial firm.

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I worked on Y2K stuff. It was easily solved. Don't try and make it sound more heroic than it was.

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Different people did different things. I can tell you it had a major impact on my Fall / Winter 1999. I'm glad your experience was less impactful.

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Y2K appeared to be nothing because numerous people worked very hard for you to have a seamless transition. For example, for a few months every weekend I flew with a team from Los Angeles to Milwaukee to do testing on new code. That was just one team from one minor financial firm.

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I worked on Y2K stuff. It was easily solved. Don't try and make it sound more heroic than it was.

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Different people did different things. I can tell you it had a major impact on my Fall / Winter 1999. I'm glad your experience was less impactful.

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It was work like any other. Not that complicated.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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dajo9 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Y2K appeared to be nothing because numerous people worked very hard for you to have a seamless transition. For example, for a few months every weekend I flew with a team from Los Angeles to Milwaukee to do testing on new code. That was just one team from one minor financial firm.

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I worked on Y2K stuff. It was easily solved. Don't try and make it sound more heroic than it was.

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Different people did different things. I can tell you it had a major impact on my Fall / Winter 1999. I'm glad your experience was less impactful.

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It was work like any other. Not that complicated.

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Not complicated but vast. One more example, I was in IT at the phone company and there were many, many, many old Cobol and assembler programs that had to be edited and tested and converted so that no problems occurred. No one wanted those touched before and since. It's millions of lines of decades old code. Just work, I get it but it was VAST!

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calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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It was work like any other. Not that complicated.

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Not complicated but vast. One more example, I was in IT at the phone company and there were many, many, many old Cobol and assembler programs that had to be edited and tested and converted so that no problems occurred. No one wanted those touched before and since. It's millions of lines of decades old code. Just work, I get it but it was VAST!

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Without understanding all of the background work that was being done, Y2K seemed like the biggest doomsday event that turned out not to be a doomsday event. I remember the apocalyptic risk factor I and my counterpart at the issuers' law firms drafted for each equity or bond offering we did during the late nineties. Reading those, some would wonder, why invest if the world is coming to an end.

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Matthew Patel said:

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bearister said:

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The states at the center of the 2020 voting crisis - Axios


https://www.axios.com/states-to-watch-2020-voting-6211b139-656d-432c-adc4-61d067121558.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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IMO, the worry about election fraud and lawsuits this year will be like Y2K. A bunch of hot air about nothing.

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Matthew Patel said:

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calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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It was work like any other. Not that complicated.

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Not complicated but vast. One more example, I was in IT at the phone company and there were many, many, many old Cobol and assembler programs that had to be edited and tested and converted so that no problems occurred. No one wanted those touched before and since. It's millions of lines of decades old code. Just work, I get it but it was VAST!

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Without understanding all of the background work that was being done, Y2K seemed like the biggest doomsday event that turned out not to be a doomsday event. I remember the apocalyptic risk factor I and my counterpart at the issuers' law firms drafted for each equity or bond offering we did during the late nineties. Reading those, some would wonder, why invest if the world is coming to an end.

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The difference between Y2K and COVID-19 is that people planned ahead and did the work necessary to prepare. With COVID-19, we did this.

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bearister said:

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File this article for a reexamination if tRump "wins" the Election.

Nance: Trump Camp Will Likely Hack Democrat Party If Russia Doesn't


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/25/msnbcs-malcolm-nance-trump-campaign-will-likely-hack-democrat-party-if-russia-doesnt/

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BearNIt said:

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The Reagan Foundation has told Captain Catastrophe and the Republican National Committee to stop using Reagan's name and likeness to raise money. That's a win for the Gipper.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reagan-foundation-asks-trump-campaign-and-rnc-joint-fundraising-committee-to-stop-using-reagans-likeness-in-fundraising-pitch/ar-BB17duxE

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bearister said:

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Michigan swing voters in focus group question Biden's ability to lead - Axios

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GoOskie said:

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bearister said:

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Michigan swing voters in focus group question Biden's ability to lead - Axios

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Some people are just lost causes. The morbidly obese stain in the WH couldn't lead a group of male teens into a Hooters bar.

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if Trump didn't make it to January 20th, one way or another.

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sycasey said:

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GoOskie said:

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bearister said:

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Michigan swing voters in focus group question Biden's ability to lead - Axios

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Some people are just lost causes. The morbidly obese stain in the WH couldn't lead a group of male teens into a Hooters bar.

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I question if these people are really swing voters this cycle, given that Biden has been leading in Michigan by about 9 points.

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OaktownBear said:

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sycasey said:

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GoOskie said:

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bearister said:

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Michigan swing voters in focus group question Biden's ability to lead - Axios

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Some people are just lost causes. The morbidly obese stain in the WH couldn't lead a group of male teens into a Hooters bar.

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I question if these people are really swing voters this cycle, given that Biden has been leading in Michigan by about 9 points.

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Yes, I saw a guy who leads focus groups in Wisconsin raise the red flag because with a tiny sample size, he found that 2/3 of "swing voters" were going for Trump. Definition of swing voters was people who voted for Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016. In other words, 100% of his focus group voted for Trump last time. Getting 1/3 of that group is pretty good. He fails to see if all else stayed the same in Wisconsin and Biden got 1/3 the Obama Trump vote, Biden wins easily.

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bearister said:

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" Large elements of the Republican party have made a collective decision that there is no objective truth" and that a cause or simple access to power is more important.

Rather than saying the sky is green, the new strategy is "to build a world in which the sky is in fact green. Then everyone who says it is blue is clearly a liar." Sadly, it has worked. Stevens notes that once "there is no challenge to the craziest of ideas that have no basis in fact, it is easy for Trump to take one small bit of truth and spin it into an elaborate fantasy."

It Was All a Lie review: Trump as symptom not cause of Republican decline


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/02/it-was-all-a-lie-review-trump-republican-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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bearister said:

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Why Trump Might Quit - POLITICO

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