Thanks. I kind of remembered that story, but I didn't feel like researching it, so I left it out. I didn't want to be a little off and give the Trump fanboys an opening to deflect what I was saying. They will find a reason anyway, but I try to limit the possibilities.sycasey said:There's been some evidence that he's susceptible to fraudsters (including Russian propagandists) posing as sources and passing bad information through him. For example:Eastern Oregon Bear said:I find it hard to believe that anyone in a position to be privy to this information - the inner circle - would talk to an 87 year old has been like Seymour Hersh who hasn't been favorable to the Democrats in years. It's certainly possible that he's creating anonymous sources to get one last "scoop" and because being forced to face up to aging is a subject Hersh has been confronting for quite some time.sycasey said:
I don't think that scenario is impossible, but Seymour Hersh's "anonymous sources" reporting is not reliable proof of anything."poor waif in his underwear" is not an expression any US official would use, but it does happen to be a translation of an idiomatic russian phrase. Sounds like Hersh is getting duped by a Russian source pretending to be American https://t.co/3uc6ftmCSP
— Seva (@SevaUT) July 27, 2023
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bear2034 said:
Democrats can still write-in Joe Biden on their ballots. Wouldn't it be something if disgruntled Democrats promoted the largest write-in campaign in history?
Let me tell you what it's like over here on the left...
Nobody not named Biden is disgruntled that he's off the ticket. VP Harris wasn't everybody's first choice, but we're gonna rally around her (even if it's reluctant rallying... for most it's not).
After that debate, Biden was basically toast, but he got one more chance to prove that that night was a one-off. He did better, but still said "Vice President Trump" and called Zelenskyy "President Putin". It was over at that point. Over.
There are some "liberals" who are surprisingly resistant to change and those are the ones who stuck with Biden to almost-the-end. Those are also the ones whose grandfathers are still driving. But deep down, they knew.
There was another factor at play: As long as Biden was still in, officially, most everybody's gonna say something like "I'm with Joe". It's like when Cal is about to fire their football or basketball coach, the AD says he's still the coach... right up until he isn't . That's the way it's done.
After people's grandfathers finally give up driving, nobody is thinking about going to the DMV and seeing if they can get their license back. (Especially with those long lines!) That's an analogy: No Dems are yearning for Biden.
I support democracy and call on all patriotic Democrats loyal to their country to write-in Joe Biden on their ballot.
bear2034 said:
I support democracy and call on all patriotic Democrats loyal to their country to write-in Joe Biden on their ballot.
Deal. You waste your time with that and I'll waste my time perpetuating the myth that Putin's in possession of a pee tape.
As far as myths go, do you think there's any truth to this?
Is it just me, or is Joe getting taller? Is that even Joe? 😂 pic.twitter.com/5TEx2tjCk3
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Barron is now up to 6'9 so as to perpetuate the myth his dad is 6'3.
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The donkey in the room is the question as to just what lawful process was followed to convince Joe to resign? Moreover, there's some question about how money raised for Joe is, now, handled.Big C said:bear2034 said:
Democrats can still write-in Joe Biden on their ballots. Wouldn't it be something if disgruntled Democrats promoted the largest write-in campaign in history?
Let me tell you what it's like over here on the left...
Nobody not named Biden is disgruntled that he's off the ticket. VP Harris wasn't everybody's first choice, but we're gonna rally around her (even if it's reluctant rallying... for most it's not).
After that debate, Biden was basically toast, but he got one more chance to prove that that night was a one-off. He did better, but still said "Vice President Trump" and called Zelenskyy "President Putin". It was over at that point. Over.
There are some "liberals" who are surprisingly resistant to change and those are the ones who stuck with Biden to almost-the-end. Those are also the ones whose grandfathers are still driving. But deep down, they knew.
There was another factor at play: As long as Biden was still in, officially, most everybody's gonna say something like "I'm with Joe". It's like when Cal is about to fire their football or basketball coach, the AD says he's still the coach... right up until he isn't . That's the way it's done.
After people's grandfathers finally give up driving, nobody is thinking about going to the DMV and seeing if they can get their license back. (Especially with those lines!)
I sincerely appreciate your well-reasoned explanation.
"Just win, baby."
Bowlesman80 said:The donkey in the room is the question as to just what lawful process was followed to convince Joe to resign? Moreover, there's some question about how money raised for Joe is, now, handled.Big C said:bear2034 said:
Democrats can still write-in Joe Biden on their ballots. Wouldn't it be something if disgruntled Democrats promoted the largest write-in campaign in history?
Let me tell you what it's like over here on the left...
Nobody not named Biden is disgruntled that he's off the ticket. VP Harris wasn't everybody's first choice, but we're gonna rally around her (even if it's reluctant rallying... for most it's not).
After that debate, Biden was basically toast, but he got one more chance to prove that that night was a one-off. He did better, but still said "Vice President Trump" and called Zelenskyy "President Putin". It was over at that point. Over.
There are some "liberals" who are surprisingly resistant to change and those are the ones who stuck with Biden to almost-the-end. Those are also the ones whose grandfathers are still driving. But deep down, they knew.
There was another factor at play: As long as Biden was still in, officially, most everybody's gonna say something like "I'm with Joe". It's like when Cal is about to fire their football or basketball coach, the AD says he's still the coach... right up until he isn't . That's the way it's done.
After people's grandfathers finally give up driving, nobody is thinking about going to the DMV and seeing if they can get their license back. (Especially with those lines!)
I sincerely appreciate your well-reasoned explanation.
There is no "official" nominee until the convention. There are delegates pledged to support a given person (based on the primary votes), but until they vote at the convention it is not official. If their candidate drops out, they are free to support someone else.
Biden dropped out. He endorsed Harris, so his delegates are very likely to support her. No laws have been broken here. There definitely seems to have been pressure from other party leaders to get Biden to drop out, but there's nothing illegal about that either, just people making their opinions known.
The Presidential ticket was previously the Biden-Harris ticket, so legally Kamala Harris would have already had access to these funds. I'll admit the legality here is fuzzier since it's an unprecedented situation, but I'll bet that's how a court would rule on it.
Hey lefties, what's the talking point word of the day? Just trying to get ahead of the in crowd.
"Race-bait"Zippergate said:
Hey lefties, what's the talking point word of the day? Just trying to get ahead of the in crowd.
White Dudes for Harris
"Just win, baby."
"Weird" - Democrats project - trying to flip the script for the Cackler.
Paul Sperry: "So Kamala has her own Rev. Jeremiah Wright who also hates Israel and blames America for 9/11. Radical S.F. pastor Rev. Amos Brown ministers to Kamala in the White House."
Paul Sperry: "So Kamala has her own Rev. Jeremiah Wright who also hates Israel and blames America for 9/11. Radical S.F. pastor Rev. Amos Brown ministers to Kamala in the White House."
Friendly Fox News interviewer tries (repeatedly) to get Trump to say "No of course I'm not ending all further elections," and he just . . . won't do it. Keeps going on about how Christians don't vote enough and something about why Jews should support him too. Very weird.Bowlesman80 said:My take is Christians won't feel as compelled to vote since, perhaps both parties will be more moderate and pro-American. I still would like to hear him more fully explain. This has been an ongoing problem for Trump. He adlibs and riffs off the cuff and little blurbs come back on him.bear2034 said:sycasey said:
Even if Trump is only saying that Christians will "never have to vote again" because he won't be running again, what kind of message is that? It's the kind of thing only a narcissistic idiot would say.
I just saw the video and Trump clearly said they will never have to vote again because everything will be fixed. And based on his expressions and gestures, he was half-joking.
Ingraham asks Trump about his comments telling Christian backers they won't have to vote again in 4 years. Trump responds by saying Jews should have their heads examined if they vote for Dems. Ingraham presses him & Trump doesn't exactly quell concerns he wants to end elections. pic.twitter.com/khGeauqp9S
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 29, 2024
Trump is a babbling fool for saying what he did. With all the nonsense about him being a "threat to democracy," he played right into their hands by saying Christians won't have to vote again. But watch the clip. Better yet, watch the original clip including the last few seconds that the WSJ edited out where he said "because everything will be fixed" or something to that effect. Trump was perfectly clear. Christians don't vote, not in the numbers they should. So he said, if you can't be bothered to vote, just vote this time and I'll fix everything so you won't have to vote again. Again, there is zero ambiguity about what he meant, even if it's a really stupid comment. There is zero evidence that he is suggesting that he will suspend elections and make himself a dictator. The Left is, of course, overjoyed to run with this because lies and distortions make for effective politics. If someone on this site wants to continue to play this game, then it is clear they have no interest in honest dialog.
Here's the original clip, btw
Here's the original clip, btw
(@/Acyn) — The OP purposefully edited the clip out of context.
— Honee (@HBFNBR) July 27, 2024
I skimmed through the hour long speech by @realDonaldTrump and @TPUSA and edited it with the missing context.
I understand the name of the game but that’s disingenuous and disgusting. https://t.co/Tw3LF00OT8 pic.twitter.com/80LwQv3khY
I would say that he probably did mean what you say above, but it is not "perfectly clear" at all, because as usual Trump is being a babbling fool about it. "Everything will be fixed" could mean that or it could mean that he'll "fix" the election system so he can't lose anymore.Zippergate said:
Trump is a babbling fool for saying what he did. With all the nonsense about him being a "threat to democracy," he played right into their hands by saying Christians won't have to vote again. But watch the clip. Better yet, watch the original clip including the last few seconds that the WSJ edited out where he said "because everything will be fixed" or something to that effect. Trump was perfectly clear. Christians don't vote, not in the numbers they should. So he said, if you can't be bothered to vote, just vote this time and I'll fix everything so you won't have to vote again. Again, there is zero ambiguity about what he meant, even if it's a really stupid comment. There is zero evidence that he is suggesting that he will suspend elections and make himself a dictator. The Left is, of course, overjoyed to run with this because lies and distortions make for effective politics. If someone on this site wants to continue to play this game, then it is clear they have no interest in honest dialog.
Here's the original clip, btw(@/Acyn) — The OP purposefully edited the clip out of context.
— Honee (@HBFNBR) July 27, 2024
I skimmed through the hour long speech by @realDonaldTrump and @TPUSA and edited it with the missing context.
I understand the name of the game but that’s disingenuous and disgusting. https://t.co/Tw3LF00OT8 pic.twitter.com/80LwQv3khY
Again, not saying that's the most likely thing but he doesn't ever make it "clear" that it isn't because he just keeps babbling, even in the follow-up interview. Trump fans love to talk about how unfair "the media" is to Trump, but so much of this is self-imposed.
You're right about the babbling fool part but I disagree with the rest it. Do you think Trump's audience wants him to suspend elections and become a dictator?
Yes
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
Some of them might, but I'm not sure why the audience's opinion matters as to what Trump actually meant.Zippergate said:
You're right about the babbling fool part but I disagree with the rest it. Do you think Trump's audience wants him to suspend elections and become a dictator?
"Yeah, I am a radical” - Kamala
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The quiet part out loud.pic.twitter.com/YoVxW7VuSj
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
Some serious gaslighting right here
Is Putin still dead?dajo9 said:
Some serious gaslighting right here
"Projection ". You Righty Clowns always toss that word around. I would bet >75% of you dorks didn't know what that word meant until someone accused Republicans of projection.
After looking it up, you all proceeded to accuse Democrats of projection. Completely ignorant of the massive unintended irony.
After looking it up, you all proceeded to accuse Democrats of projection. Completely ignorant of the massive unintended irony.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
Zippergate said:
No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.
That was too easy.sycasey said:Zippergate said:
No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.
Agreed, but I'd say the far Left.Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
"Just win, baby."
I almost couldn't believe he actually wrote that.Eastern Oregon Bear said:That was too easy.sycasey said:Zippergate said:
No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.
I think neither the far left nor the far right have much respect for democracy or rule of law. It's why you tend to find them both congregating around defense of foreign dictators like Putin. To say that "no one" in Trump's audience favors this is delusional. There's always some element of this out there.Bowlesman80 said:Agreed, but I'd say the far Left.Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
Hmm... fake concession.sycasey said:I think neither the far left nor the far right have much respect for democracy or rule of law. It's why you tend to find them both congregating around defense of foreign dictators like Putin. To say that "no one" in Trump's audience favors this is delusional. There's always some element of this out there.Bowlesman80 said:Agreed, but I'd say the far Left.Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
"Just win, baby."
Bowlesman80 said:Hmm... fake concession.sycasey said:I think neither the far left nor the far right have much respect for democracy or rule of law. It's why you tend to find them both congregating around defense of foreign dictators like Putin. To say that "no one" in Trump's audience favors this is delusional. There's always some element of this out there.Bowlesman80 said:Agreed, but I'd say the far Left.Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
Not "conceding" anything, bud. Just stating what I think.
Okay, no s'mores for you at the next bonfire rally.sycasey said:Bowlesman80 said:Hmm... fake concession.sycasey said:I think neither the far left nor the far right have much respect for democracy or rule of law. It's why you tend to find them both congregating around defense of foreign dictators like Putin. To say that "no one" in Trump's audience favors this is delusional. There's always some element of this out there.Bowlesman80 said:Agreed, but I'd say the far Left.Zippergate said:
Simple. This is projection. The authoritarian Left would love to not have to bother with elections and project this onto the right. No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either. They want fair, transparent elections and don't want their party to weaponize the justice system. If Trump suggested there would be no more elections, he would be booed off the stage. In contrast, the Left feels justified in resorting to any tactic to stop Hitler.
Not "conceding" anything, bud. Just stating what I think.
"Just win, baby."
There's always some element of this out there.
Thanks for the textbook example of false equivalence.
Thanks for the textbook example of false equivalence.
sycasey said:Zippergate said:
No one in Trump's audience wants to abandon democracy. They don't want spying, censoring, or jailing political opponents either.
Trump didn't jail Joe Biden who was his political opponent in 2020. Meanwhile, Trump's campaign was spied on by the Democrats in 2016. Hillary Clinton is also a career criminal and should be investigated and prosecuted.
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