Official Biden / Harris Administration Thread

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Unlike the President elect, at least Biden isn't a convicted felon nor can he legally be called a Sexual Abuser (pursuant to the court's language in a filed civil judgment)
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:


Those on the left won't even acknowledge George Soros is a real person.

Just to appear neutral, Biden also awarded Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney medals.


Honest question: George Soros actually is a real person? I figured you guys just made him up, you know, like the pizza parlors. If he's real, why isn't he there to accept the award?

And some guy who is maybe / maybe not real is really getting this award?

I honestly thought Biden was a good POTUS for the first three years, but he seems to have slipped just tiny little bit in the 4th quarter.

These are the questions libs aren't asking themselves today.
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sycasey
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:


Those on the left won't even acknowledge George Soros is a real person.

Just to appear neutral, Biden also awarded Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney medals.


Honest question: George Soros actually is a real person? I figured you guys just made him up, you know, like the pizza parlors. If he's real, why isn't he there to accept the award?

And some guy who is maybe / maybe not real is really getting this award?

I honestly thought Biden was a good POTUS for the first three years, but he seems to have slipped just tiny little bit in the 4th quarter.
I'll give it up to Joe Biden (or whoever is passing him suggestions on what to do) for devoting the last few weeks of his Presidency to trolling the Republicans. Good on you, old man.
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sycasey said:

Big C said:

bear2034 said:


Those on the left won't even acknowledge George Soros is a real person.

Just to appear neutral, Biden also awarded Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney medals.


Honest question: George Soros actually is a real person? I figured you guys just made him up, you know, like the pizza parlors. If he's real, why isn't he there to accept the award?

And some guy who is maybe / maybe not real is really getting this award?

I honestly thought Biden was a good POTUS for the first three years, but he seems to have slipped just tiny little bit in the 4th quarter.
I'll give it up to Joe Biden (or whoever is passing him suggestions on what to do) for devoting the last few weeks of his Presidency to trolling the Republicans. Good on you, old man.
It's pretty neat, isn't it? This is the way MAGAs want it. Well, they get it.

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Hillary had Epstein whacked so deserves it
Eastern Oregon Bear
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Big C said:

bear2034 said:


Those on the left won't even acknowledge George Soros is a real person.

Just to appear neutral, Biden also awarded Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney medals.


Honest question: George Soros actually is a real person? I figured you guys just made him up, you know, like the pizza parlors. If he's real, why isn't he there to accept the award?

And some guy who is maybe / maybe not real is really getting this award?

I honestly thought Biden was a good POTUS for the first three years, but he seems to have slipped just tiny little bit in the 4th quarter.
The right wing boogeyman, George Soros, is 94 years old. He may not have been up to traveling.
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***

Soros is a global terrorist
Hillary is evil
Anarchistbear
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The old time bogeymen- Soros and the Koch Brothers seem quaint compared to our new tech mobsters
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bear2034
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Anarchistbear said:

The old time bogeymen- Soros and the Koch Brothers seem quaint compared to our new tech mobsters

We'll see. When they start forcing us to use a global currency (CBDC's) and put chips in our heads and hands (Neuralink) and connect them to some global internet (Starlink) to monitor and control us with the help of AI and robots, it may be the beginning of the end.
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Musk supposedly already talking about a new defacto social score algorithm on X based around positivity / negativity comments.
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movielover said:

Musk supposedly already talking about a new defacto social score algorithm on X based around positivity / negativity comments.


Link?
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Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
movielover
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"Musk on Friday announced X's algorithm would be changed to promote more "informational/entertaining content" and limit replies to his posts to only paying "verified" users."

https://www.infowars.com/posts/bannon-slams-musk-for-algorithm-changes-on-x-this-is-a-social-credit-score
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movielover said:

"Musk on Friday announced X's algorithm would be changed to promote more "informational/entertaining content" and limit replies to his posts to only paying "verified" users."

https://www.infowars.com/posts/bannon-slams-musk-for-algorithm-changes-on-x-this-is-a-social-credit-score

Now that Trump has won, it's time for everyone to stop focusing on politics!
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HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
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Will he pardon Gavin Newsom?

bear2034
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movielover said:

Will he pardon Gavin Newsom?

Joe Biden has less than 10 days to decide.
movielover
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Is Gavin Newsom's lifelong pursuit of the White House over?

Officials like him really seem so dense, maybe I'm spoiled by having listened to Cal alum Dr. Bill Wattenburg for decades. It seems to me Newsom could have earned some easy proactive victories in office instead of bowing to Global Warming and such.

1. We need water, we have Sites Reservoir and Los Vaqueros expansion lined up. Crack the whip, appoint a czar. LV needs financial guarantors - provide it. We have bond money set aside. Quit posing and lead.

2. We allow vast amounts of water to flow into the Pacific Ocean, far beyond what the Delta Smelt needs. Why aren't we AGRESSIVELY water banking / refilling our aquifers and San Luis Reservoir?!

2. Forest management. Not only are our forests currently under maintained, we have DECADES of built up fuel. Declare a State Emergency, and instead of overstating fire prevention by 600% (lying), AGGRESSIVELY clear the backlog. Thin, cut fire breaks, have numerous controlled burns early spring and late fall (low risk times).

3. Regional prevention. Direct local municipalities to conduct strategic controlled burns, we have dozens of fire districts with infrequent, small fire activity (stove fire, chimney fire). Is their something preventing counties and cities from collaboratively conducting frequent controlled burns?

4. The tens of millions of dead trees killed by beetle infestation may be a ship that sailed, but newly killed trees can be harvested for sale, and funds used for forest management. (How do we handle the dead trees? Dangerous.)

5. Fire some people, start w a few at LADWP who let their 117 million gallon Reservoir sit empty.
bear2034
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movielover said:

Is Gavin Newsom's lifelong pursuit of the White House over?
BearGoggles
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philly1121 said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
Thank you for providing such a clear explanation of why this program has been both a grift and a failure. You have perfectly described the emphasis on regulatory over reach, union spending, climate change (for broadband?) and other irrelevant factors rather than finding the cheapest and fasted way to deploy internet. This is the same type of defective thinking and prioritization that has afflicted California's wildfire policy.

You also conveniently ignore and do not engage with the notion Musk's solution would have been much cheaper and faster - and that he was rejected for political reasons. Starlink is amazing and can be set up in about 30 minutes in rural areas.

Wasting $42 billion (not million) dollars is not "much ado about nothing."
philly1121
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BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
Thank you for providing such a clear explanation of why this program has been both a grift and a failure. You have perfectly described the emphasis on regulatory over reach, union spending, climate change (for broadband?) and other irrelevant factors rather than finding the cheapest and fasted way to deploy internet. This is the same type of defective thinking and prioritization that has afflicted California's wildfire policy.

You also conveniently ignore and do not engage with the notion Musk's solution would have been much cheaper and faster - and that he was rejected for political reasons. Starlink is amazing and can be set up in about 30 minutes in rural areas.

Wasting $42 billion (not million) dollars is not "much ado about nothing."
This program was probably one of the few components of the Infrastructure deal that had bipartisan support, particularly in Virginia. Because they were already a hub for broadband and wanted to expand to the rural areas of the state. And honestly, do you think government is going to give this money for nothing? As I wrote in the Virginia example, the delays were caused by broadband providers not wanting to provide low cost options for broadband. Simply offering broadband internet at $125 per month is not a solution. Why would the government accept that when that's exactly the root cause of the access issue? Cost.

The program is not a waste. Money is being dispersed to the States. The fact that you deem it a waste is one of those numerous instances of biting off your nose to spite your face. The potential payoffs for Republicans in red districts is huge. And Starlink? A program from Co-President Musk that he could turn off as easily as he could turn on to spite people. And at $120 per month for residential service - that's no bargain and certainly not reachable for the communities BEAD is trying to serve.

Your comparison with the wildfire policy is nonsensical.
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philly1121 said:

BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
Thank you for providing such a clear explanation of why this program has been both a grift and a failure. You have perfectly described the emphasis on regulatory over reach, union spending, climate change (for broadband?) and other irrelevant factors rather than finding the cheapest and fasted way to deploy internet. This is the same type of defective thinking and prioritization that has afflicted California's wildfire policy.

You also conveniently ignore and do not engage with the notion Musk's solution would have been much cheaper and faster - and that he was rejected for political reasons. Starlink is amazing and can be set up in about 30 minutes in rural areas.

Wasting $42 billion (not million) dollars is not "much ado about nothing."
This program was probably one of the few components of the Infrastructure deal that had bipartisan support, particularly in Virginia. Because they were already a hub for broadband and wanted to expand to the rural areas of the state. And honestly, do you think government is going to give this money for nothing? As I wrote in the Virginia example, the delays were caused by broadband providers not wanting to provide low cost options for broadband. Simply offering broadband internet at $125 per month is not a solution. Why would the government accept that when that's exactly the root cause of the access issue? Cost.

The program is not a waste. Money is being dispersed to the States. The fact that you deem it a waste is one of those numerous instances of biting off your nose to spite your face. The potential payoffs for Republicans in red districts is huge. And Starlink? A program from Co-President Musk that he could turn off as easily as he could turn on to spite people. And at $120 per month for residential service - that's no bargain and certainly not reachable for the communities BEAD is trying to serve.

Your comparison with the wildfire policy is nonsensical.
The delays in Virginia were caused, in part, by affordability concerns. Imagine that - the government designed a program with price mandates where no telecom companies wanted to provide the services. Shocker. How have government price mandates/controls worked historically?

You can get a basic starlink plan for $50 (limited data). Even at $125, that is pretty much the going rate. Had the government contracted with starlink, they would have saved literally billions of dollars on infrastructure and could have used the spending savings to subsidize service for low income individuals. They also could have negotiated a better "bulk" rate. But instead they wanted to route $$ to the unions and pursue goals like climate change.

My comparison with the wildfire policy is spot on. The goals of each program - providing universal broadband or fire protection) - were distorted by/subordinated to extraneous concerns that didn't advance the stated goals, like DEI, climate change, union payoffs, etc.


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BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
Thank you for providing such a clear explanation of why this program has been both a grift and a failure. You have perfectly described the emphasis on regulatory over reach, union spending, climate change (for broadband?) and other irrelevant factors rather than finding the cheapest and fasted way to deploy internet. This is the same type of defective thinking and prioritization that has afflicted California's wildfire policy.

You also conveniently ignore and do not engage with the notion Musk's solution would have been much cheaper and faster - and that he was rejected for political reasons. Starlink is amazing and can be set up in about 30 minutes in rural areas.

Wasting $42 billion (not million) dollars is not "much ado about nothing."
This program was probably one of the few components of the Infrastructure deal that had bipartisan support, particularly in Virginia. Because they were already a hub for broadband and wanted to expand to the rural areas of the state. And honestly, do you think government is going to give this money for nothing? As I wrote in the Virginia example, the delays were caused by broadband providers not wanting to provide low cost options for broadband. Simply offering broadband internet at $125 per month is not a solution. Why would the government accept that when that's exactly the root cause of the access issue? Cost.

The program is not a waste. Money is being dispersed to the States. The fact that you deem it a waste is one of those numerous instances of biting off your nose to spite your face. The potential payoffs for Republicans in red districts is huge. And Starlink? A program from Co-President Musk that he could turn off as easily as he could turn on to spite people. And at $120 per month for residential service - that's no bargain and certainly not reachable for the communities BEAD is trying to serve.

Your comparison with the wildfire policy is nonsensical.
The delays in Virginia were caused, in part, by affordability concerns. Imagine that - the government designed a program with price mandates where no telecom companies wanted to provide the services. Shocker. How have government price mandates/controls worked historically?

You can get a basic starlink plan for $50 (limited data). Even at $125, that is pretty much the going rate. Had the government contracted with starlink, they would have saved literally billions of dollars on infrastructure and could have used the spending savings to subsidize service for low income individuals. They also could have negotiated a better "bulk" rate. But instead they wanted to route $$ to the unions and pursue goals like climate change.

My comparison with the wildfire policy is spot on. The goals of each program - providing universal broadband or fire protection) - were distorted by/subordinated to extraneous concerns that didn't advance the stated goals, like DEI, climate change, union payoffs, etc.



Yes, the government designed a program where broadband could be built. So, if what you're saying is true, why haven't broadband/internet providers already produced a low cost option? Of course. They haven't. Because they don't want to. Which is why the BEAD program was created to begin with. You're proceeding on the false assumption that if you let corporations do what they want, the benefits will be seen by the consumer. But that hasn't been the case, not the least of which in broadband introductions. And why would the government subsidize internet access when they are spcifically asking for companies to lower prices in exchange for BEAD money? That makes no sense at all. I thought you were anti-government?

And I repeat, I see minimal residential service for Starlink at $120. BEAD aimed to get that amount down to $75-80 per month. So, I repeat once again, why would the government rely on a man who built a system that he could unilaterally turn off if he got a bad twitter response to one of his posts? No. The government isn't going to do that. And since he is so in the bag for Trump, what you're saying makes zero sense.

Once again, even tho union households held steady for Harris, why would you ignore such a constituency when this group is probably ripe for the taking in the next election?

Hmm...let's examine your analogy. BEAD program, broadband access, lower price per monthly cost for low income families. Union companies preferred.

Fire protection. Union firefighters. Are you against that union? Tax dollars to support firefighting/firefighters/ equipment. LAFD received a $58 million budget increase from 23/24. The Santa Ynez Reservoir was emptied back in February 2024 because of a crack in the cover. Should have been done in house but the contracted out the job. This is what happens when you RFP sh*t. And work didn't get done in a timely manner. But that's semantics. The reservoir being full would not have stopped the destruction.

So, you're analogy about unionism or DEI being the problem for both of these issues is, again, nonsensical.

But this is the new normal for America. A hurricane strikes - blame DEI. A fire? Blame the unions. Blame wokeness. And offer no offers of gratitude for people fighting the fires. Offer no words of comfort to victims. Just blame. Throw insults. Set the narrative. That's the goal. A winning strategy. But still, no decency from you lot.
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After seeing the prices being tossed around, I feel fortunate to be getting unlimited internet via fiber optic cable for $48 per month. No bundling too. If a rural mom and pop operation can keep costs this low, why should we pay so much more for satellite internet? It might be cheaper to bring wiring to the remote areas rather than launching hundreds of satellites. We have electricity and phone lines to most remote locations.
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philly1121 said:

But this is the new normal for America. A hurricane strikes - blame DEI. A fire? Blame the unions. Blame wokeness. And offer no offers of gratitude for people fighting the fires. Offer no words of comfort to victims. Just blame. Throw insults. Set the narrative. That's the goal. A winning strategy. But still, no decency from you lot.
Don't forget the constant whining about how unfair the mainstream media is to conservatives and/or Republicans!
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

After seeing the prices being tossed around, I feel fortunate to be getting unlimited internet via fiber optic cable for $48 per month. No bundling too. If a rural mom and pop operation can keep costs this low, why should we pay so much more for satellite internet? It might be cheaper to bring wiring to the remote areas rather than launching hundreds of satellites. We have electricity and phone lines to most remote locations.
Where are you and what speed do you recived?

Google fiber (if available) is the cheapest option at $70/month for 1gb. But most places don't have Google Fiber. Cable companies are usually closer to $100.
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philly1121 said:

BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

BearGoggles said:

philly1121 said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



Remember the 40+ billion that got zero Americans on the internet?


Just another clear instance of corruption that radical lefties choose to ignore. Yes they do run almost all sources of information and that's why they fool you so easily
Hawaii, I don't want to knitpick here but, that's not the definition of money laundering. The $42 million that you're talking about would need to have been raised by illegal means. It wasn't.

Also, states are receiving the money from the Broadband, Equity, Access and Deployment (BEAD) Program. The snag in receiving money, for example in Virgina, has to do with the programs requirements that a provider receiving the funding must provide a low cost option. The rules also require states accepting the money to make sure providers plan for climate change, reach out to unionized workforces and hire locally. One broad provision requires low-cost options and fast connections for "middle class families" at "reasonable prices."

So let me ask you, given the inroads Repubs have made with union households and minority groups, why would they be against such provisions? Well, because MAGA loves effing themselves in their own ears.

Ultimately, Virgina got $1.5 billion in funds. And the low cost plans that were finally created were very telecom friendly. But since, as in the Virgina example, most of the deployment of broadband was to be done in the rural areas, it would no doubt favor Republicans. In short, this is much ado about nothing.
Thank you for providing such a clear explanation of why this program has been both a grift and a failure. You have perfectly described the emphasis on regulatory over reach, union spending, climate change (for broadband?) and other irrelevant factors rather than finding the cheapest and fasted way to deploy internet. This is the same type of defective thinking and prioritization that has afflicted California's wildfire policy.

You also conveniently ignore and do not engage with the notion Musk's solution would have been much cheaper and faster - and that he was rejected for political reasons. Starlink is amazing and can be set up in about 30 minutes in rural areas.

Wasting $42 billion (not million) dollars is not "much ado about nothing."
This program was probably one of the few components of the Infrastructure deal that had bipartisan support, particularly in Virginia. Because they were already a hub for broadband and wanted to expand to the rural areas of the state. And honestly, do you think government is going to give this money for nothing? As I wrote in the Virginia example, the delays were caused by broadband providers not wanting to provide low cost options for broadband. Simply offering broadband internet at $125 per month is not a solution. Why would the government accept that when that's exactly the root cause of the access issue? Cost.

The program is not a waste. Money is being dispersed to the States. The fact that you deem it a waste is one of those numerous instances of biting off your nose to spite your face. The potential payoffs for Republicans in red districts is huge. And Starlink? A program from Co-President Musk that he could turn off as easily as he could turn on to spite people. And at $120 per month for residential service - that's no bargain and certainly not reachable for the communities BEAD is trying to serve.

Your comparison with the wildfire policy is nonsensical.
The delays in Virginia were caused, in part, by affordability concerns. Imagine that - the government designed a program with price mandates where no telecom companies wanted to provide the services. Shocker. How have government price mandates/controls worked historically?

You can get a basic starlink plan for $50 (limited data). Even at $125, that is pretty much the going rate. Had the government contracted with starlink, they would have saved literally billions of dollars on infrastructure and could have used the spending savings to subsidize service for low income individuals. They also could have negotiated a better "bulk" rate. But instead they wanted to route $$ to the unions and pursue goals like climate change.

My comparison with the wildfire policy is spot on. The goals of each program - providing universal broadband or fire protection) - were distorted by/subordinated to extraneous concerns that didn't advance the stated goals, like DEI, climate change, union payoffs, etc.



Yes, the government designed a program where broadband could be built. So, if what you're saying is true, why haven't broadband/internet providers already produced a low cost option? Of course. They haven't. Because they don't want to. Which is why the BEAD program was created to begin with. You're proceeding on the false assumption that if you let corporations do what they want, the benefits will be seen by the consumer. But that hasn't been the case, not the least of which in broadband introductions. And why would the government subsidize internet access when they are spcifically asking for companies to lower prices in exchange for BEAD money? That makes no sense at all. I thought you were anti-government?

And I repeat, I see minimal residential service for Starlink at $120. BEAD aimed to get that amount down to $75-80 per month. So, I repeat once again, why would the government rely on a man who built a system that he could unilaterally turn off if he got a bad twitter response to one of his posts? No. The government isn't going to do that. And since he is so in the bag for Trump, what you're saying makes zero sense.

Once again, even tho union households held steady for Harris, why would you ignore such a constituency when this group is probably ripe for the taking in the next election?

Hmm...let's examine your analogy. BEAD program, broadband access, lower price per monthly cost for low income families. Union companies preferred.

Fire protection. Union firefighters. Are you against that union? Tax dollars to support firefighting/firefighters/ equipment. LAFD received a $58 million budget increase from 23/24. The Santa Ynez Reservoir was emptied back in February 2024 because of a crack in the cover. Should have been done in house but the contracted out the job. This is what happens when you RFP sh*t. And work didn't get done in a timely manner. But that's semantics. The reservoir being full would not have stopped the destruction.

So, you're analogy about unionism or DEI being the problem for both of these issues is, again, nonsensical.

But this is the new normal for America. A hurricane strikes - blame DEI. A fire? Blame the unions. Blame wokeness. And offer no offers of gratitude for people fighting the fires. Offer no words of comfort to victims. Just blame. Throw insults. Set the narrative. That's the goal. A winning strategy. But still, no decency from you lot.
Do you really think Musk can or would "turn off' service because he got mad. Has he done that with SpaceX or twitter? Please. Why don't you fear the same thing for Amazon, Facebook, or Youtube? It is just silliness. If you really believe that, you are insane. And if you don't, your arguing in bad faith. Which is it?

Bead "aimed" to get the amount to $75-80. LMAO. It aimed for that but didn't get it . . . I wonder why? It is almost like price controls/dictates don't work. Maybe the program wasn't well thought out.

And you're missing my point. They could take some of the $42B and buy down the cost of Starlink (or better yet negotiate a bulk purchase of services). That would be the efficient way to bring broadband to rural areas.

I'm not against unions. I am against wasteful spending and government corruptly giving unions sweetheart deals.

And, once again, your just making ish up. I didn't say "unionism" or "DEI" caused hurricanes or fires. I said those considerations were given too much emphasis when they don't actually serve the stated goal of providing essential health and safety services or extending broad band. If you can tell me how going union advanced the BEAD program's goals, feel free. Or how DEI programs helped with firefighting or water infrastructure - again feel free.

And the final Pice de rsistance is you're telling me that the empty reservoir was the result of an RFP rather than having unionized city workers do the job. Who made that decision? The unionized wokers of the City of Los Angeles made that decision - the people who were advancing DEI and other extraneous policies rather than doing actual work. It was the incompetence of the City - either in contracting or project management - that caused that reservoir to be empty.

At this point, you're just demagoguing.






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BearGoggles said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

After seeing the prices being tossed around, I feel fortunate to be getting unlimited internet via fiber optic cable for $48 per month. No bundling too. If a rural mom and pop operation can keep costs this low, why should we pay so much more for satellite internet? It might be cheaper to bring wiring to the remote areas rather than launching hundreds of satellites. We have electricity and phone lines to most remote locations.
Where are you and what speed do you recived?

Google fiber (if available) is the cheapest option at $70/month for 1gb. But most places don't have Google Fiber. Cable companies are usually closer to $100.
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I'm in Pendleton OR. I'm paying $48 per month for 300 mb from a local provider. That's been more than sufficient for our needs. They have higher speed options. 1 gb is $88 per month. 10 gb is $298. Google Fiber isn't available here (or apparently anywhere in the Pacific Northwest except Seattle).
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Virginia actually offers plans ranging from $30 to $75 per month. So, it worked. I'm not demagoging. You are.
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philly1121 said:

Virginia actually offers plans ranging from $30 to $75 per month. So, it worked. I'm not demagoging. You are.
Those prices are not offered under the BEAD program, which is what we're discussing. I know that because reportedly NO ONE in the entire country has been connected through the $42B boondoggle BEAD program.

Do you realize the fact that cheap internet is (according to you) already available in Virginia without the BEAD program arguably demonstrates why the BEAD program - with its UNION/climate change misplaced priorities and wasteful spending - is not necessary to provide cheap internet?

Bringing up such a complete non sequitur shows you are demagoguing and/or unable to formulate a cogent argument.
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Goggles, when has there ever been a posting you've made which tells the truth?

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/the-fight-over-virginias-bead-low-cost-option-appears-over/

Paragraph 5.

Cheap internet? Oh, you mean the Affordable Connectivity Program? Shuttered.

Oh, here's the state allocations below

https://statescoop.com/heres-how-much-every-state-is-getting-from-bead-grant-program/

By mid 2025, BEAD should be fully implemented. Since Biden took office, 3 million unserved homes and small businesses have been connected for the first time through public and private investments.

This is such light work. I can't believe you guys won the election. Through nothing but bluster, lies, cheap narrative building and laziness. A dark day this coming Monday.
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philly1121 said:

Goggles, when has there ever been a posting you've made which tells the truth?

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/the-fight-over-virginias-bead-low-cost-option-appears-over/

Paragraph 5.

Cheap internet? Oh, you mean the Affordable Connectivity Program? Shuttered.

Oh, here's the state allocations below

https://statescoop.com/heres-how-much-every-state-is-getting-from-bead-grant-program/

By mid 2025, BEAD should be fully implemented. Since Biden took office, 3 million unserved homes and small businesses have been connected for the first time through public and private investments.

This is such light work. I can't believe you guys won the election. Through nothing but bluster, lies, cheap narrative building and laziness. A dark day this coming Monday.
We are discussing BEAD - the program that has connected literally no one to this point. So the 3 million "homes and small businesses" connected since Bident "took office (as if he had something to do with hit) is not a result of BEAD. Full stop. The new connections had nothing to do with Biden or Bead.

This is what you posted: "Virginia actually offers plans ranging from $30 to $75 per month." If you're referring to BEAD - which again is the topic here - that is also a false statement. Per your own link, the "low cost" option under BEAD will be $75. So I have no idea what the basis is for your claim that there are plans below $75 unless you're referring to totally unrelated internet plans (which as before, would be a non sequitur and more dissembling).

In terms of the election, it was a referendum on your stated political views, preferences and beliefs. You really should spend some time thinking about that.
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Goggles I think you're missing the forrest for the trees here. I mentioned Biden's success with internet access because it is a success. And the BEAD program, which you decry for being "woke", is actually a good thing. Regardless of the delays in its implementation - which is more a corporate issue than a government one, the BEAD program is a good thing and IS being implemented.

And you've basically said that Starlink is a better option at $120 for residential service. But I would again say that $75 is certainly alot better than $120.

And if trying to bring in higher paying jobs (union) with an eye to addressing climate change (you probably are a denier), to mostly rural areas (Republican areas), then its you who is all over the map. Its you that is the one demagoging.

I suppose it will all be rolled back under Trump and he will give Musk all the money to offer broadband access for $120/month. I'm sure you'd support that. With no strings attached. MAGA baby. Biting off their noses to spite their faces.

And you're correct. My side lost. But all those promises Trump gave you are already crumbling. Its a shame the first, but false narratives prevailed. Oh well. Burn it down!
 
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