Unit2Sucks said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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Yes, the working class just needs Trump to carry more empty pizza boxes, throw more paper towels at hurricane victims and talk about all of his personal grievances with the "very best" people who used to work for him but now hate him. That plus the GOP killing all legislation that could possibly improve the country because they are afraid of Trump will surely help working stiffs put food on the table.

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And tan suits. And terrorist fist bumps. And Dijon mustard - all affronts to the good and honest hardworking American middle class! Elitist communist fascists, those DumbocRats.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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Yes, the working class just needs Trump to carry more empty pizza boxes, throw more paper towels at hurricane victims and talk about all of his personal grievances with the "very best" people who used to work for him but now hate him. That plus the GOP killing all legislation that could possibly improve the country because they are afraid of Trump will surely help working stiffs put food on the table.

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Just think of the millions of working class high school girls in this country who could become highly paid professional athletes, or at least get full athletic scholarships to college, but can't make their high school team because their spots are taken up by the transgenders. So they settle for trying hard in the classroom, but -- oops -- they can't even succeed there because when they go to the bathroom, they don't know if the "girl" in the next stall might have a p***s. So they end up having to drop out of school.

And then the Democrat Party wonders why it no longer appeals to the working class...

Cal88 said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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There is a definite element of truth here, in that the working class is more socially conservative than the affluent liberal coastals who have taken over the Democratic Party and have pushed it further left on the social/ideological scale and further right on the neoliberal economic scale, a move which has alienated the former Democrat base. That's also true of some minorities who are also more socially conservative.

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There is almost always at least some element of truth in my sarcasm. Somewhere.

Cal88 said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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There is a definite element of truth here, in that the working class is more socially conservative than the affluent liberal coastals who have taken over the Democratic Party and have pushed it further left on the social/ideological scale and further right on the neoliberal economic scale, a move which has alienated the former Democrat base. That's also true of some minorities who are also more socially conservative.

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The ethnic groups with the highest percentage of their members affiliated with Protestant faith and Catholicism are Black and Hispanic at over 70%. And most immigrants still cling to the American dream, even more so that Whites. If the Republicans ever got off the stupid Trump train and focused on hope, economy, expanding LEGAL immigration and family values instead of stolen election and grievances, they would be so much more powerful. But their cowardice allowed the Trump populism to take hold that it has become a purity test on the right.

https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/#:~:text=More%20than%20four%20in%20ten%20Americans%20%2844%25%29%20identify,Latter-day%20Saint%20%28Mormon%29%2C%20Jehovah%E2%80%99s%20Witness%2C%20and%20Orthodox%20Christian.

bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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There is a definite element of truth here, in that the working class is more socially conservative than the affluent liberal coastals who have taken over the Democratic Party and have pushed it further left on the social/ideological scale and further right on the neoliberal economic scale, a move which has alienated the former Democrat base. That's also true of some minorities who are also more socially conservative.

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The ethnic groups with the highest percentage of their members affiliated with Protestant faith and Catholicism are Black and Hispanic at over 70%. And most immigrants still cling to the American dream, even more so that Whites. If the Republicans ever got off the stupid Trump train and focused on hope, economy, expanding LEGAL immigration and family values instead of stolen election and grievances, they would be so much more powerful. But their cowardice allowed the Trump populism to take hold that it has become a purity test on the right.

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The Deep State and Democrats got on the stupid Orange Man Bad Train to focus on impeaching Trump over the Russia Collusion hoax and the J6 FBI entrapment hoax and could care less about the economy, legal immigration and family values. They couldn't win based whatever they were secretly promoting with Joe Biden. It ended up being hyperinflation, an invasion of our southern border, and more endless wars. So they stole the election and created J6 to divert attention away from the crime of the century.

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As a conservative, I am obviously more inclined to side with less regulation, less corporate taxes, encouraging family values, and legal immigration. I think Don McGahn was the one person in the Trump White House that I strongly supported. He led the drive on justice appointments with a focus on those with true conservative values (unlike Trump) like checking the almost unconstitutional power creep that kept growing the Chevron doctrine for unelected agencies where the laws were changing with every administration, with key law making activities removed from the elected legislative body. Congress will actually have to do their job on making laws instead of deferring to agencies controlled by the executive branch.

A true fiscal conservative, unlike Biden or Trump, would be like the first Bush and Clinton, who increased personal income tax and cut spending. Even Obama was more a fiscal conservative than Trump. The Republican party has lost its way.

calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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There is a definite element of truth here, in that the working class is more socially conservative than the affluent liberal coastals who have taken over the Democratic Party and have pushed it further left on the social/ideological scale and further right on the neoliberal economic scale, a move which has alienated the former Democrat base. That's also true of some minorities who are also more socially conservative.

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The ethnic groups with the highest percentage of their members affiliated with Protestant faith and Catholicism are Black and Hispanic at over 70%. And most immigrants still cling to the American dream, even more so that Whites. If the Republicans ever got off the stupid Trump train and focused on hope, economy, expanding LEGAL immigration and family values instead of stolen election and grievances, they would be so much more powerful. But their cowardice allowed the Trump populism to take hold that it has become a purity test on the right.

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The Deep State and Democrats got on the stupid Orange Man Bad Train to focus on impeaching Trump over the Russia Collusion hoax and the J6 FBI entrapment hoax and could care less about the economy, legal immigration and family values. They couldn't win based whatever they were secretly promoting with Joe Biden. It ended up being hyperinflation, an invasion of our southern border, and more endless wars. So they stole the election and created J6 to divert attention away from the crime of the century.

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As a conservative, I am obviously more inclined to side with less regulation, less corporate taxes, encouraging family values, and legal immigration. I think Don McGahn was the one person in the Trump White House that I strongly supported. He led the drive on justice appointments with a focus on those with true conservative values (unlike Trump) like checking the almost unconstitutional power creep that kept growing the Chevron doctrine for unelected agencies where the laws were changing with every administration, with key law making activities removed from the elected legislative body. Congress will actually have to do their job on making laws instead of deferring to agencies controlled by the executive branch.

A true fiscal conservative, unlike Biden or Trump, would be like the first Bush and Clinton, who increased personal income tax and cut spending. Even Obama was more a fiscal conservative than Trump. The Republican party has lost its way.

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There just seems to be very little electoral audience for fiscal conservatism right now. It will probably come back at some point, but we're in an era where people want active spending/government.

bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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A true fiscal conservative, unlike Biden or Trump, would be like the first Bush and Clinton, who increased personal income tax and cut spending. Even Obama was more a fiscal conservative than Trump. The Republican party has lost its way.

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Would you approve of shutting down parts of the government to curb spending?

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No, I need them to do their job. Shutting down the government is creating more expenses and more deficit. It doesn't actually reduce spending. Imagine shutting down a factory or an office because people cannot be professional, as if walking away and hurting Americans is the right leverage. Compromise and do the job.

movielover said:

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When do our $2 Trillion+ deficits per year become unsustainable?

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It kind of is, but the problem is made worse by cutting taxes without cutting expenses. We couldn't get enough spending cuts to justify the personal income tax cuts.

sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Big C said:

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What's killing the working class is this new, mandatory "Drag Queen Story Hour" in all our Kindergarten classes I keep hearing about. The political party that addresses this will get the working class vote, for sure!

Also, this Critical Race Theory stuff that dominates the entire middle and high school curriculum...

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There is a definite element of truth here, in that the working class is more socially conservative than the affluent liberal coastals who have taken over the Democratic Party and have pushed it further left on the social/ideological scale and further right on the neoliberal economic scale, a move which has alienated the former Democrat base. That's also true of some minorities who are also more socially conservative.

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The ethnic groups with the highest percentage of their members affiliated with Protestant faith and Catholicism are Black and Hispanic at over 70%. And most immigrants still cling to the American dream, even more so that Whites. If the Republicans ever got off the stupid Trump train and focused on hope, economy, expanding LEGAL immigration and family values instead of stolen election and grievances, they would be so much more powerful. But their cowardice allowed the Trump populism to take hold that it has become a purity test on the right.

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The Deep State and Democrats got on the stupid Orange Man Bad Train to focus on impeaching Trump over the Russia Collusion hoax and the J6 FBI entrapment hoax and could care less about the economy, legal immigration and family values. They couldn't win based whatever they were secretly promoting with Joe Biden. It ended up being hyperinflation, an invasion of our southern border, and more endless wars. So they stole the election and created J6 to divert attention away from the crime of the century.

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As a conservative, I am obviously more inclined to side with less regulation, less corporate taxes, encouraging family values, and legal immigration. I think Don McGahn was the one person in the Trump White House that I strongly supported. He led the drive on justice appointments with a focus on those with true conservative values (unlike Trump) like checking the almost unconstitutional power creep that kept growing the Chevron doctrine for unelected agencies where the laws were changing with every administration, with key law making activities removed from the elected legislative body. Congress will actually have to do their job on making laws instead of deferring to agencies controlled by the executive branch.

A true fiscal conservative, unlike Biden or Trump, would be like the first Bush and Clinton, who increased personal income tax and cut spending. Even Obama was more a fiscal conservative than Trump. The Republican party has lost its way.

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There just seems to be very little electoral audience for fiscal conservatism right now. It will probably come back at some point, but we're in an era where people want active spending/government.

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They want lower taxes and higher entitlement, borrowing against the well being of our next generation. Raising taxes on just the rich does not work when there is no discipline on spending. Our state is going to find out real soon.

bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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calbear93 said:

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A true fiscal conservative, unlike Biden or Trump, would be like the first Bush and Clinton, who increased personal income tax and cut spending. Even Obama was more a fiscal conservative than Trump. The Republican party has lost its way.

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Would you approve of shutting down parts of the government to curb spending?

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No, I need them to do their job. Shutting down the government is creating more expenses and more deficit. It doesn't actually reduce spending. Imagine shutting down a factory or an office because people cannot be professional, as if walking away and hurting Americans is the right leverage. Compromise and do the job.

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But what is your explanation then for an expanding government with bureaucrats who aren't elected, who can't be held accountable for making policy decisions, and require a growing budget to support them?

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Well, Congress has the purse, and I think they are so busy playing games that they don't do their work until the last minute and then just pass something. Get started earlier.

The government agencies having too much power is what the Supreme Court has addressed in the West Virginia vs. EPA case and will also address with respect to the Chevron doctrine that has created authoritarian government with unelected agency chairs creating, enforcing and adjudicating more laws than any other branch. All the talk of dictators, fascism, authoritarian governments are magic tricks to get people to look away from these agencies that create stupid regulations that impact every day life.

Will this case bring change?

movielover said:

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Will this case bring change?

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I believe so. EPA case has already had chilling effect on the SEC. When the Chevron doctrine is overturned as I suspect it will, Congress will have to be more specific, and the courts will not give deference to "reasonable" adjudication of ambiguous law by the unelected agencies, which interpretation can swing wildly with obvious instability for consumers and businesses with each administration.

calbear93 said:

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movielover said:

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Will this case bring change?

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I believe so. EPA case has already had chilling effect on the SEC. When the Chevron doctrine is overturned as I suspect it will, Congress will have to be more specific, and the courts will not give deference to "reasonable" adjudication of ambiguous law by the unelected agencies, which interpretation can swing wildly with obvious instability for consumers and businesses with each administration.

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Your first problem is expecting Congress will have the competence to be more specific about anything. They can barely pass a budget …err… continued spending resolution and keep the government open.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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calbear93 said:

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movielover said:

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Will this case bring change?

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I believe so. EPA case has already had chilling effect on the SEC. When the Chevron doctrine is overturned as I suspect it will, Congress will have to be more specific, and the courts will not give deference to "reasonable" adjudication of ambiguous law by the unelected agencies, which interpretation can swing wildly with obvious instability for consumers and businesses with each administration.

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Your first problem is expecting Congress will have the competence to be more specific about anything. They can barely pass a budget …err… continued spending resolution and keep the government open.

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The framers intended changes in laws to be slow and careful, instead of swinging broadly with authoritarian method by each administration by the executive branch. That is why there is veto, need to go to both the senate and the house, etc. You may like it when your party has the white house and can appoint their own dictators, but you won't like it very much when it's flipped. And that is not how laws that have monumental impact of our lives are supposed to go. It is supposed to be slow, deliberated, and careful, with lack of compromise resulting in status quo. You know, checks and balances that prevent authoritarian government that you are using to call Trump the boogeyman? You are so busy calling Trump a dictator that you ignore the true dictators who are appointed to agencies because they are owed political favors.

Our constitution is older than the modern corporation and large corporations are the big winners from our checks and balances government that prevent government from getting anything done. That makes the right wing the winners because they support corporate power over people. The Constitution is past it's useful life.


The American people have voted for Democratic Presidents all but once since 1992 but we are not getting the government we want. We deserve better than corporate power filling the government void.

movielover said:

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Haven't you noticed that the Democrat party abandoned the middle class long ago?

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Haven't you noticed when the Republican Supreme Court ends Federal Agencies ability to regulate they are giving corporations that power regardless of how people vote because our Congress is designed to be inactive.