I don't think Biden wants to be VP againbearister said:
[url=https://www.vox.com/2019/9/16/20867216/elizabeth-warren-anti-corruption-bill][/url]Quote:
Elizabeth Warren picks up key endorsement
WASHINGTON (AP) The progressive Working Families Party is endorsing Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren's presidential bid. The party endorsed Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders last presidential cycle.
The decision by the labor-aligned party to back Warren over Sanders comes as most national polls show a top-tier of Democratic candidates that includes former Vice President Joe Biden as well as Sanders and Warren.
Quote:
Elizabeth Warren's first priority as president: ending government corruption
[url=https://www.vox.com/2019/9/16/20867216/elizabeth-warren-anti-corruption-bill][/url]
Warren's bold plan to crack down on corruption in Washington, explained.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) just previewed the first major piece of legislation she'd try to pass through Congress if elected president: a vast anti-corruption package to crack down on the entrenched culture of lobbying in Washington, DC.
Warren's plan, released Monday morning, is an update of a bill she released back in August 2018, well before she announced her campaign for president. And she's been clear it would be the first major legislative priority of a Warren administration. Warren believes the flow of money in politics has stalled progress on a number of other issues, including gun violence, climate change, and the rising cost of health care. Stamping money out of politics goes to the root of these issues, she says.
Please give some insight as to how Warren/Sanders play in Mich/Wisc/ Penn/ North Carolina/Iowa? Those +22s and +25s look pretty big to me.BearNIt said:
Per Politico Poll
Biden: 32%
Warren: 18%
Sanders: 20%
Per NBC News/Wall Street Jnl Poll:
Biden: 31%
Warren: 25%
Sanders: 14%
Looks like this could be a two person race for the Dems nomination as Sanders will not be able to move to the middle and pick up moderates.
Midwest sensibilities on guns, immigration, and healthcare are the key to winning the General Election.
Will Warren be able to move to the middle if she is the nominee and pick up moderates and independents that the Dems will need to beat Trump?
Will Biden be able to get progressives excited and get them to turn out for the General Election which the Dems will need to win the election and beat Trump?
Against Trump in the General Election
Biden is +28
Warren is +22
Sanders +25
Harris +22
OdontoBear66 said:Please give some insight as to how Warren/Sanders play in Mich/Wisc/ Penn/ North Carolina/Iowa? Those +22s and +25s look pretty big to me.BearNIt said:
Per Politico Poll
Biden: 32%
Warren: 18%
Sanders: 20%
Per NBC News/Wall Street Jnl Poll:
Biden: 31%
Warren: 25%
Sanders: 14%
Looks like this could be a two person race for the Dems nomination as Sanders will not be able to move to the middle and pick up moderates.
Midwest sensibilities on guns, immigration, and healthcare are the key to winning the General Election.
Will Warren be able to move to the middle if she is the nominee and pick up moderates and independents that the Dems will need to beat Trump?
Will Biden be able to get progressives excited and get them to turn out for the General Election which the Dems will need to win the election and beat Trump?
Against Trump in the General Election
Biden is +28
Warren is +22
Sanders +25
Harris +22
And thank goodness we are a "Democratic Republic" with an Electoral College to protect the minority (wait isn't that a Dem job?)
I stand corrected, my mistake they are California numbers and not the General Election numbers.sycasey said:OdontoBear66 said:Please give some insight as to how Warren/Sanders play in Mich/Wisc/ Penn/ North Carolina/Iowa? Those +22s and +25s look pretty big to me.BearNIt said:
Per Politico Poll
Biden: 32%
Warren: 18%
Sanders: 20%
Per NBC News/Wall Street Jnl Poll:
Biden: 31%
Warren: 25%
Sanders: 14%
Looks like this could be a two person race for the Dems nomination as Sanders will not be able to move to the middle and pick up moderates.
Midwest sensibilities on guns, immigration, and healthcare are the key to winning the General Election.
Will Warren be able to move to the middle if she is the nominee and pick up moderates and independents that the Dems will need to beat Trump?
Will Biden be able to get progressives excited and get them to turn out for the General Election which the Dems will need to win the election and beat Trump?
Against Trump in the General Election
Biden is +28
Warren is +22
Sanders +25
Harris +22
And thank goodness we are a "Democratic Republic" with an Electoral College to protect the minority (wait isn't that a Dem job?)
Pretty sure those +20ish numbers are California only.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/
Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
Might be that a lot of Dems are seeing the prosecutor in the new progressive. Smell test.sycasey said:Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
That's definitely an issue for her, but it's more in what you do with it. You could lean into it and run on your record as a prosecutor, say you're going to apply the same pressure to Trump and the Republicans (there are still plenty of moderate Dems who aren't worried about the "Kamala is a cop" stuff). Or you address it and say you've changed and move on to your new narrative. I think the issue is that it's not clear which one Harris is doing.OdontoBear66 said:Might be that a lot of Dems are seeing the prosecutor in the new progressive. Smell test.sycasey said:Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
I saw an analysis that said a lot of her problem is that she doesn't have a specific lane. She is basically everybody's second choice.sycasey said:Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
And really, those things are usually pretty important anyway.BearsWiin said:
In this election cycle passion and authenticity are going to be importanter than they usually are, and she doesn't show or inspire much passion and doesn't come across as authentic.
BearsWiin said:
Yes, but in the last presidential election cycle we had Passion and Authenticity lose out in the Dem nomination process to Yeah OK She's Qualified and It's Her Turn.
How do you build a clear narrative for someone who's only been on the national stage since 2016? Nobody outside of California knows who she is. I don't even think a large amount of people in California know what she stands for. Probably she had motives for entering the race that have zero to do with actually winning a presidential race (perhaps establishing a narrative for her to get the VP nomination, but she certainly won't get that from Biden LOL) as some do, but that campaign is DOA for this election.sycasey said:Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
Professor Turgeson Bear said:How do you build a clear narrative for someone who's only been on the national stage since 2016? Nobody outside of California knows who she is. I don't even think a large amount of people in California know what she stands for. Probably she had motives for entering the race that have zero to do with actually winning a presidential race (perhaps establishing a narrative for her to get the VP nomination, but she certainly won't get that from Biden LOL) as some do, but that campaign is DOA for this election.sycasey said:Her campaign just hasn't been that good. No clear narrative.dajo9 said:
Surprised that Harris doesn't poll better. Word must have got out that wifeisafurd likes her.
Interesting that a black woman doesn't poll well with blacks.Anarchistbear said:
Besides not being up for the job Harris has no constituency. She polls well with white educated professionals ( this board) but poorly with African Americans ( fourth after Biden, Sanders and Warren), poorly with Hispanics ( third after Sanders and Biden) and poorly with non college whites ( fourth)
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/11/rel10b.-.2020.pdf
Not really, think pragmatism.GBear4Life said:Interesting that a black woman doesn't poll well with blacks.Anarchistbear said:
Besides not being up for the job Harris has no constituency. She polls well with white educated professionals ( this board) but poorly with African Americans ( fourth after Biden, Sanders and Warren), poorly with Hispanics ( third after Sanders and Biden) and poorly with non college whites ( fourth)
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/11/rel10b.-.2020.pdf
Exactly, once he showed he could win a primary he got the support.sycasey said:
Obama didn't have great polling numbers with black voters until he started winning. Then he got tons of support from them.