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He's unadulterated filth but, hey, he's the face of the Republican party. That party does know and stick to its priorities.

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Yes, that, to me, is one of the real stories here...

What does it say that the vast majority of people who were for Trump 3 years ago are still for him, after seeing this s*** show?

What about the ultra-partisan-or-spineless Republicans in Congress, who, in theory should be smarter and more educated than most of the people who attend Trump's rallies? Have they no shame?

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I am certain of two things.

What carried Trump over the hump in the 2016 election was that certain people who never would have voted for someone that disgusting did so because Clinton took positions that were not even hers. And the sad things is that she has always been a moderate, with strong belief in the importance of US in global politics, ending discrimination instead of catering to identify politics, and applying moderate fiscal policies. But she thought she had to win over the far left wing of the party and cater to the Sanders supporters (who never were going to fully support her anyway). And once those in center left or center right, especially in the Rust Belt, were forced to choose, a big enough portion chose Trump and many have not looked back until Biden won the primary.

If Biden avoids those mistakes and instead tries to be a unifying leader, taking moderate positions that may not play as well to the progressives, he will win and win big. If he loses his way the same way Clinton did instead of being who he has always been, he will lose and we will be screwed again for another 4 years. You cannot please everyone. I hope Biden knows that. He doesn't need to be another Sanders or Warren. He can be more like Bill Clinton or Obama.

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In the US as well HCQ has become associated with Trump, which has exacerbated the negative media coverage and cultural bias against it in a large segment of the media and population. This is a very unfortunate turn of events IMHO as HCQ has proven to be one of the main/best exit strategies for the covid pandemic.

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Cal88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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Even the Republican posters on here can agree that they hope that the president isn't lying to Americans about personally taking hydroxychloroquine, though he probably is.

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This is low grade Fox propaganda.

Hydroxychloroquine is an established, safe and effective drug if used properly (ie normal dosage), with few side effects, it has been dispensed over the counter in most countries, used by hundreds of millions of people to date. Several members of my family have used it, including my parents, my uncle, and many friends who have traveled and worked in W. Africa.

It's also a very popular drug in S. America, notably in Brazil, where it is now greenlighted as a treatment for covid19, and going forward it is the main C19 treatment across African countries. Those countries have used hydroxychloroquine for decades, so statements like that of the Fox idiot above will be laughed at by any African health official or pharmacist. Unfortunately it's the kind of bad science that also seems to afflict supposedly more serious media sources that are repeating the canard of HCQ being a dangerous drug...

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Professor William Ngatchou is a cardiovascular surgeon at the General Hospital in Douala, the economic capital of Cameroon. When FRANCE 24 asked him if he had heard of Professor Raoult, he responded with amusement: "Everyone knows Professor Raoult in Cameroon! Some even consider him like a national hero." Like many health professionals in the country, Ngatchou thinks that the effectiveness of dual therapy combining that antimalarial and antibiotic has been proven: "It's been almost two months that this protocol has been in use for patients with Covid-19. I myself have noticed significant improvements in patients with its use, and the debate about the side effects of chloroquine seems very exaggerated to me."

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https://www.france24.com/en/20200503-covid-19-in-cameroon-a-chloroquine-therapy-hailed-by-french-expert-becomes-state-protocol

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When given the choice of taking the advice of the U.S. medical community and that of the Cameroonian medical community I will follow the advice of the U.S. medical community without question. The side effects of seizures, asystole with syncope, deafness, corneal changes, retinal changes, Thrombocytopenia, agranulocytosis, leukopenia, alopecia, and the lack of clinical trials are enough to warrant a wait and see position.

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The "side effect" of covid19 is death, and that side effect, whose frequency is currently listed at 1.4%, is orders of magnitude greater than any of the hydroxychloroquine side effects you've listed above.

The US medical community does not have the kind of extensive, generational and personal first hand knowledge about and experience with hydroxychloroquine that the medical communities of African countries have had over the past decades.

Africa as well seems to be doing quite well in this pandemic, with only 3,095 death for a population of 1.2 billion, compared to the US, which has had 30 times the covid19 death rate of that continent:



Dr. Didier Raoult, the leading researcher on infectious diseases in France, has asserted that the West's overreliance on new, expensive drugs at the expense of tried and proven older generics could be the main reason that covid19 has largely been a western disease, a point that is very dramatically illustrated in the chart above.



Dr. Raoult as the head of the main hospital in Marseille processing covid19 cases in southern France has overseen the treatment of more covid19 patients than any other doctor in the West. He is also the most successful in terms of his results, his death rate to date with the largest cohort of covid19 patients in the West is 0.17%, seven times lower than the death rate in the Paris region, where HCQ was not used. The only notable side effect observed in his treatment with HCQ was temporary heart arrhythmia, which happened in less than 1 in 500 covid19 cases treated with the drug.

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Cal88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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Cal88 said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Even the Republican posters on here can agree that they hope that the president isn't lying to Americans about personally taking hydroxychloroquine, though he probably is.

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This is low grade Fox propaganda.

Hydroxychloroquine is an established, safe and effective drug if used properly (ie normal dosage), with few side effects, it has been dispensed over the counter in most countries, used by hundreds of millions of people to date. Several members of my family have used it, including my parents, my uncle, and many friends who have traveled and worked in W. Africa.

It's also a very popular drug in S. America, notably in Brazil, where it is now greenlighted as a treatment for covid19, and going forward it is the main C19 treatment across African countries. Those countries have used hydroxychloroquine for decades, so statements like that of the Fox idiot above will be laughed at by any African health official or pharmacist. Unfortunately it's the kind of bad science that also seems to afflict supposedly more serious media sources that are repeating the canard of HCQ being a dangerous drug...

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Professor William Ngatchou is a cardiovascular surgeon at the General Hospital in Douala, the economic capital of Cameroon. When FRANCE 24 asked him if he had heard of Professor Raoult, he responded with amusement: "Everyone knows Professor Raoult in Cameroon! Some even consider him like a national hero." Like many health professionals in the country, Ngatchou thinks that the effectiveness of dual therapy combining that antimalarial and antibiotic has been proven: "It's been almost two months that this protocol has been in use for patients with Covid-19. I myself have noticed significant improvements in patients with its use, and the debate about the side effects of chloroquine seems very exaggerated to me."

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https://www.france24.com/en/20200503-covid-19-in-cameroon-a-chloroquine-therapy-hailed-by-french-expert-becomes-state-protocol

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When given the choice of taking the advice of the U.S. medical community and that of the Cameroonian medical community I will follow the advice of the U.S. medical community without question. The side effects of seizures, asystole with syncope, deafness, corneal changes, retinal changes, Thrombocytopenia, agranulocytosis, leukopenia, alopecia, and the lack of clinical trials are enough to warrant a wait and see position.

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The "side effect" of covid19 is death, and that side effect, whose frequency is currently listed at 1.4%, is orders of magnitude greater than any of the hydroxychloroquine side effects you've listed above.

The US medical community does not have the kind of extensive, generational and personal first hand knowledge about and experience with hydroxychloroquine that the medical communities of African countries have had over the past decades.

Africa as well seems to be doing quite well in this pandemic, with only 3,095 death for a population of 1.2 billion, compared to the US, which has had 30 times the covid19 death rate of that continent:



Dr. Didier Raoult, the leading researcher on infectious diseases in France, has asserted that the West's overreliance on new, expensive drugs at the expense of tried and proven older generics could be the main reason that covid19 has largely been a western disease, a point that is very dramatically illustrated in the chart above.



Dr. Raoult as the head of the main hospital in Marseille processing covid19 cases in southern France has overseen the treatment of more covid19 patients than any other doctor in the West. He is also the most successful in terms of his results, his death rate to date with the largest cohort of covid19 patients in the West is 0.17%, seven times lower than the death rate in the Paris region, where HCQ was not used. The only notable side effect observed in his treatment with HCQ was temporary heart arrhythmia, which happened in less than 1 in 500 covid19 cases treated with the drug.

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Cal88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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Cal88 said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Even the Republican posters on here can agree that they hope that the president isn't lying to Americans about personally taking hydroxychloroquine, though he probably is.

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This is low grade Fox propaganda.

Hydroxychloroquine is an established, safe and effective drug if used properly (ie normal dosage), with few side effects, it has been dispensed over the counter in most countries, used by hundreds of millions of people to date. Several members of my family have used it, including my parents, my uncle, and many friends who have traveled and worked in W. Africa.

It's also a very popular drug in S. America, notably in Brazil, where it is now greenlighted as a treatment for covid19, and going forward it is the main C19 treatment across African countries. Those countries have used hydroxychloroquine for decades, so statements like that of the Fox idiot above will be laughed at by any African health official or pharmacist. Unfortunately it's the kind of bad science that also seems to afflict supposedly more serious media sources that are repeating the canard of HCQ being a dangerous drug...

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Professor William Ngatchou is a cardiovascular surgeon at the General Hospital in Douala, the economic capital of Cameroon. When FRANCE 24 asked him if he had heard of Professor Raoult, he responded with amusement: "Everyone knows Professor Raoult in Cameroon! Some even consider him like a national hero." Like many health professionals in the country, Ngatchou thinks that the effectiveness of dual therapy combining that antimalarial and antibiotic has been proven: "It's been almost two months that this protocol has been in use for patients with Covid-19. I myself have noticed significant improvements in patients with its use, and the debate about the side effects of chloroquine seems very exaggerated to me."

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https://www.france24.com/en/20200503-covid-19-in-cameroon-a-chloroquine-therapy-hailed-by-french-expert-becomes-state-protocol

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When given the choice of taking the advice of the U.S. medical community and that of the Cameroonian medical community I will follow the advice of the U.S. medical community without question. The side effects of seizures, asystole with syncope, deafness, corneal changes, retinal changes, Thrombocytopenia, agranulocytosis, leukopenia, alopecia, and the lack of clinical trials are enough to warrant a wait and see position.

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The "side effect" of covid19 is death, and that side effect, whose frequency is currently listed at 1.4%, is orders of magnitude greater than any of the hydroxychloroquine side effects you've listed above.

The US medical community does not have the kind of extensive, generational and personal first hand knowledge about and experience with hydroxychloroquine that the medical communities of African countries have had over the past decades.

Africa as well seems to be doing quite well in this pandemic, with only 3,095 death for a population of 1.2 billion, compared to the US, which has had 30 times the covid19 death rate of that continent:



Dr. Didier Raoult, the leading researcher on infectious diseases in France, has asserted that the West's overreliance on new, expensive drugs at the expense of tried and proven older generics could be the main reason that covid19 has largely been a western disease, a point that is very dramatically illustrated in the chart above.



Dr. Raoult as the head of the main hospital in Marseille processing covid19 cases in southern France has overseen the treatment of more covid19 patients than any other doctor in the West. He is also the most successful in terms of his results, his death rate to date with the largest cohort of covid19 patients in the West is 0.17%, seven times lower than the death rate in the Paris region, where HCQ was not used. The only notable side effect observed in his treatment with HCQ was temporary heart arrhythmia, which happened in less than 1 in 500 covid19 cases treated with the drug.

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Cal88 said:

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calbear93 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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Cal88 said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Even the Republican posters on here can agree that they hope that the president isn't lying to Americans about personally taking hydroxychloroquine, though he probably is.

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This is low grade Fox propaganda.

Hydroxychloroquine is an established, safe and effective drug if used properly (ie normal dosage), with few side effects, it has been dispensed over the counter in most countries, used by hundreds of millions of people to date. Several members of my family have used it, including my parents, my uncle, and many friends who have traveled and worked in W. Africa.

It's also a very popular drug in S. America, notably in Brazil, where it is now greenlighted as a treatment for covid19, and going forward it is the main C19 treatment across African countries. Those countries have used hydroxychloroquine for decades, so statements like that of the Fox idiot above will be laughed at by any African health official or pharmacist. Unfortunately it's the kind of bad science that also seems to afflict supposedly more serious media sources that are repeating the canard of HCQ being a dangerous drug...

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Professor William Ngatchou is a cardiovascular surgeon at the General Hospital in Douala, the economic capital of Cameroon. When FRANCE 24 asked him if he had heard of Professor Raoult, he responded with amusement: "Everyone knows Professor Raoult in Cameroon! Some even consider him like a national hero." Like many health professionals in the country, Ngatchou thinks that the effectiveness of dual therapy combining that antimalarial and antibiotic has been proven: "It's been almost two months that this protocol has been in use for patients with Covid-19. I myself have noticed significant improvements in patients with its use, and the debate about the side effects of chloroquine seems very exaggerated to me."

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https://www.france24.com/en/20200503-covid-19-in-cameroon-a-chloroquine-therapy-hailed-by-french-expert-becomes-state-protocol

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When given the choice of taking the advice of the U.S. medical community and that of the Cameroonian medical community I will follow the advice of the U.S. medical community without question. The side effects of seizures, asystole with syncope, deafness, corneal changes, retinal changes, Thrombocytopenia, agranulocytosis, leukopenia, alopecia, and the lack of clinical trials are enough to warrant a wait and see position.

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The "side effect" of covid19 is death, and that side effect, whose frequency is currently listed at 1.4%, is orders of magnitude greater than any of the hydroxychloroquine side effects you've listed above.

The US medical community does not have the kind of extensive, generational and personal first hand knowledge about and experience with hydroxychloroquine that the medical communities of African countries have had over the past decades.

Africa as well seems to be doing quite well in this pandemic, with only 3,095 death for a population of 1.2 billion, compared to the US, which has had 30 times the covid19 death rate of that continent:



Dr. Didier Raoult, the leading researcher on infectious diseases in France, has asserted that the West's overreliance on new, expensive drugs at the expense of tried and proven older generics could be the main reason that covid19 has largely been a western disease, a point that is very dramatically illustrated in the chart above.



Dr. Raoult as the head of the main hospital in Marseille processing covid19 cases in southern France has overseen the treatment of more covid19 patients than any other doctor in the West. He is also the most successful in terms of his results, his death rate to date with the largest cohort of covid19 patients in the West is 0.17%, seven times lower than the death rate in the Paris region, where HCQ was not used. The only notable side effect observed in his treatment with HCQ was temporary heart arrhythmia, which happened in less than 1 in 500 covid19 cases treated with the drug.

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Let's bottom line this. Are you taking it and, if not, why not?

I usually do not roll the dice with medicine. I have to know that the benefits will outweigh the negatives. Nothing about this would indicate this is beneficial.

And quite honestly, I do not think he is taking it. I think he painted himself into a corner where he pushed something that was not supported and is doubling down with another lie.

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I would definitely take HCQ if I did present symptoms. I am not very high on the risk/comorbidity scale, nor am I working in exposed areas, mostly confined at home, so I am not overly panicked about it, though I do take common sense precautions. I also think I might have had covid last year, but haven't tested for antibodies yet.

If you're in a high risk profession like Trump meeting people every day, it makes sense to use HCQ as a prophylactic. It should be standards for medical and nursing home staff, at least until the epidemic subsides.

The side affects from HCQ are very well known, they have been grossly overblown in the media. This is a drug that has been administered around 1 billion times since its introduction 70 years ago, and sold over the counter in many countries around the world.

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Cal88 said:

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I think when tRump supporters die of the virus that it is all part of God's plan for them.

At least some of this crew will die for a cause...in the service of the Mad King.

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High levels of anxiety and low levels of vitamin D will also put you at risk. If you're in a relatively low risk group, you shouldn't refrain from going to the beach with your family at this point in time.

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front page of sunday's nytimes top to bottom / left to right (continued on page 12) is given to the dead.

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Departments across The Times have been robustly covering the coronavirus pandemic for months. But Ms. Landon and her colleagues realized that "both among ourselves and perhaps in the general reading public, there's a little bit of a fatigue with the data."

"We knew we were approaching this milestone," she added. "We knew that there should be some way to try to reckon with that number."

Putting 100,000 dots or stick figures on a page "doesn't really tell you very much about who these people were, the lives that they lived, what it means for us as a country," Ms. Landon said. So, she came up with the idea of compiling obituaries and death notices of Covid-19 victims from newspapers large and small across the country, and culling vivid passages from them.

Alain Delaqurire, a researcher, combed through various sources online for obituaries and death notices with Covid-19 written as the cause of death. He compiled a list of nearly a thousand names from hundreds of newspapers. A team of editors from across the newsroom, in addition to three graduate student journalists, read them and gleaned phrases that depicted the uniqueness of each life lost:

"Alan Lund, 81, Washington, conductor with 'the most amazing ear' "

"Theresa Elloie, 63, New Orleans, renowned for her business making detailed pins and corsages "

"Florencio Almazo Morn, 65, New York City, one-man army "

"Coby Adolph, 44, Chicago, entrepreneur and adventurer "

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Last winter, 80,000 Americans died from the flu, and the NYT barely noticed.

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S.

I guess that reporting that the death toll from flu viruses this year is 25%-35% above last year's doesn't make as dramatic a headline.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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smh said:

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front page of sunday's nytimes top to bottom / left to right (continued on page 12) is given to the dead.

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Departments across The Times have been robustly covering the coronavirus pandemic for months. But Ms. Landon and her colleagues realized that "both among ourselves and perhaps in the general reading public, there's a little bit of a fatigue with the data."

"We knew we were approaching this milestone," she added. "We knew that there should be some way to try to reckon with that number."

Putting 100,000 dots or stick figures on a page "doesn't really tell you very much about who these people were, the lives that they lived, what it means for us as a country," Ms. Landon said. So, she came up with the idea of compiling obituaries and death notices of Covid-19 victims from newspapers large and small across the country, and culling vivid passages from them.

Alain Delaqurire, a researcher, combed through various sources online for obituaries and death notices with Covid-19 written as the cause of death. He compiled a list of nearly a thousand names from hundreds of newspapers. A team of editors from across the newsroom, in addition to three graduate student journalists, read them and gleaned phrases that depicted the uniqueness of each life lost:

"Alan Lund, 81, Washington, conductor with 'the most amazing ear' "

"Theresa Elloie, 63, New Orleans, renowned for her business making detailed pins and corsages "

"Florencio Almazo Morn, 65, New York City, one-man army "

"Coby Adolph, 44, Chicago, entrepreneur and adventurer "

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Last winter, 80,000 Americans died from the flu, and the NYT barely noticed.

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S.

I guess that reporting that the death toll from flu viruses this year is 25%-35% above last year's doesn't make as dramatic a headline.

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That wasn't this year. This year the estimates are 24-62k. I'm not sure how relevant it is to refer to the flu - we do have a flu vaccine that people can take which helps reduce mortality annually, so it's not like we ignore the seasonal flu either.

We have good flu years and bad flu years. That is neither here nor there when discussing a novel virus like COVID.

Why the misinformation?

Look at what you posted 2 months ago about COVID and please let us know why you are singing a completely different tune now.

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