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Look at what you posted 2 months ago about COVID and please let us know why you are singing a completely different tune now.

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front page of sunday's nytimes top to bottom / left to right (continued on page 12) is given to the dead.

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Departments across The Times have been robustly covering the coronavirus pandemic for months. But Ms. Landon and her colleagues realized that "both among ourselves and perhaps in the general reading public, there's a little bit of a fatigue with the data."

"We knew we were approaching this milestone," she added. "We knew that there should be some way to try to reckon with that number."

Putting 100,000 dots or stick figures on a page "doesn't really tell you very much about who these people were, the lives that they lived, what it means for us as a country," Ms. Landon said. So, she came up with the idea of compiling obituaries and death notices of Covid-19 victims from newspapers large and small across the country, and culling vivid passages from them.

Alain Delaqurire, a researcher, combed through various sources online for obituaries and death notices with Covid-19 written as the cause of death. He compiled a list of nearly a thousand names from hundreds of newspapers. A team of editors from across the newsroom, in addition to three graduate student journalists, read them and gleaned phrases that depicted the uniqueness of each life lost:

"Alan Lund, 81, Washington, conductor with 'the most amazing ear' "

"Theresa Elloie, 63, New Orleans, renowned for her business making detailed pins and corsages "

"Florencio Almazo Morn, 65, New York City, one-man army "

"Coby Adolph, 44, Chicago, entrepreneur and adventurer "

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Last winter, 80,000 Americans died from the flu, and the NYT barely noticed.

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S.

I guess that reporting that the death toll from flu viruses this year is 25%-35% above last year's doesn't make as dramatic a headline.

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That wasn't this year. This year the estimates are 24-62k. I'm not sure how relevant it is to refer to the flu - we do have a flu vaccine that people can take which helps reduce mortality annually, so it's not like we ignore the seasonal flu either.

We have good flu years and bad flu years. That is neither here nor there when discussing a novel virus like COVID.

Why the misinformation?

Look at what you posted 2 months ago about COVID and please let us know why you are singing a completely different tune now.

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How dare you question the "statnews."

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1- This is a scientific publication from the Boston Globe geared towards the medical and scientific community
https://www.statnews.com/about/

2- The number they are reporting is the offcial number from the CDC, it is the same figure that has been relayed by other media sources, including the NYT and CNN, sources that you trust more or less blindly, and of course the 80,000 figure was originally published by the CDC, which I would guess you also trust as a source.

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Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu Last Winter, ...
[url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html][/url]www.nytimes.com 2018/10/01 health flu-deaths-vaccine
[url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html][/url]
Oct 1, 2018 - ...more than 80,000 Americans died of the flu in the winter of 2017-2018, according to the CDC ...

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html

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Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says
By Susan Scutti, CNN
Thu September 27, 2018

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html

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On September 27, 2018, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID) along with other public health and medical groups kicked off the 2018-2019 flu vaccine campaign ... CDC early estimates indicate that more than 900,000 people were hospitalized and more than 80,000 people died from flu last season

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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/press-conference-2018-19.htm

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Do you know what year it is?

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bearister said:

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Editorial: If the pandemic-preparedness cupboard was bare, it was Trump's doing | Editorial | stltoday.com


https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-if-the-pandemic-preparedness-cupboard-was-bare-it-was-trumps-doing/article_bd1bb8d6-7477-590d-af72-ae4e305de601.html

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This is why the issue of wearing a mask is crazy. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, some people wear a mask every day because their lives depend on it. When you are severely immunocompromised due to a stem cell transplant, currently receiving chemotherapy, have had cancer, sickle cell anemia, MGUS, or any of a host of other issues wearing a mask is something you have to do. To have someone shout at you that you're a "liberal *****" or unpatriotic is disheartening at a time in your life when you just don't need that kind of ****, so be mindful of how you approach people and what you say without knowing their story.

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This is why the issue of wearing a mask is crazy. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, some people wear a mask every day because their lives depend on it. When you are severely immunocompromised due to a stem cell transplant, currently receiving chemotherapy, have had cancer, sickle cell anemia, MGUS, or any of a host of other issues wearing a mask is something you have to do. To have someone shout at you that you're a "liberal *****" or unpatriotic is disheartening at a time in your life when you just don't need that kind of ****, so be mindful of how you approach people and what you say without knowing their story.

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When wearing a mask for protection (and mostly for the protection of OTHERS) is portrayed as a political statement or an affront to presidential/national loyalty, you know we as a country are deep deep deep into the F@CKED UP.

It's darker than a dystopian novel that would have been written five years ago and it is post-truth ultra-idiocy brainwashing of the highest order. Here we are supposed to be about Freedom and Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness and rugged individualism...and that got twisted into obey and follow the crazy leader no matter what he says or does--and disobeying or having your own opinion and seeing the obvious truths make you a p@ssy Libtard. These people think authoritarianism and jingoism and religious fervor is patriotism and independence. Regimes are manufactured when you get enough people to think this way.

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You are getting hysterical over an isolated incident and also demonstrating a complete lack of self-awareness.

Of course any person should be free to wear a mask as they see fit, no thinking person disputes that. You intellectual-yet-idiot types take isolated incidents like this and ascribe them to literally 50% of the population in order to better demonize them, just like the Nazis did with their political opponents back in the day. (OK 49% of the population. The electoral college is a *****, ain't it? lol)

Conversely, any person should also be free NOT to wear a mask as they see fit. But in your shallow, partisan little mind that's different somehow, isn't it?

By the way, I support that guy's right to call her a liberal *****, just like I support your right to call anyone a conservative *******, or a Trumptard (personally, I like Trumpkin better lol) or whatever other juvenile taunts your particular brand of simpletons enjoy. My advice to her - toughen up, buttercup. Sometimes you run into *******s. Either engage them or ignore them, but don't whine about them.

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This is why the issue of wearing a mask is crazy. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, some people wear a mask every day because their lives depend on it. When you are severely immunocompromised due to a stem cell transplant, currently receiving chemotherapy, have had cancer, sickle cell anemia, MGUS, or any of a host of other issues wearing a mask is something you have to do. To have someone shout at you that you're a "liberal *****" or unpatriotic is disheartening at a time in your life when you just don't need that kind of ****, so be mindful of how you approach people and what you say without knowing their story.

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When wearing a mask for protection (and mostly for the protection of OTHERS) is portrayed as a political statement or an affront to presidential/national loyalty, you know we as a country are deep deep deep into the F@CKED UP.

It's darker than a dystopian novel that would have been written five years ago and it is post-truth ultra-idiocy brainwashing of the highest order. Here we are supposed to be about Freedom and Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness and rugged individualism...and that got twisted into obey and follow the crazy leader no matter what he says or does--and disobeying or having your own opinion and seeing the obvious truths make you a p@ssy Libtard. These people think authoritarianism and jingoism and religious fervor is patriotism and independence. Regimes are manufactured when you get enough people to think this way.

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You are getting hysterical over an isolated incident and also demonstrating a complete lack of self-awareness.

Of course any person should be free to wear a mask as they see fit, no thinking person disputes that. You intellectual-yet-idiot types take isolated incidents like this and ascribe them to literally 50% of the population in order to better demonize them, just like the Nazis did with their political opponents back in the day. (OK 49% of the population. The electoral college is a *****, ain't it? lol)

Conversely, any person should also be free NOT to wear a mask as they see fit. But in your shallow, partisan little mind that's different somehow, isn't it?

By the way, I support that guy's right to call her a liberal *****, just like I support your right to call anyone a conservative *******, or a Trumptard (personally, I like Trumpkin better lol) or whatever other juvenile taunts your particular brand of simpletons enjoy. My advice to her - toughen up, buttercup. Sometimes you run into *******s. Either engage them or ignore them, but don't whine about them.

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If somebody sees fit to not wear a mask at home, or outside while a reasonable distance from others, hey no problem. (Duh.) If somebody wants to argue about the value of wearing masks, hey, no problem there, either, of course.

However, if someone doesn't want to wear a mask when shopping at my local Safeway, hey, too freaking bad: It's a public health issue. (I will make an exception maybe in certain areas of the country such as Montana where there is basically no coronavirus... yet.)

It's an act of patriotism to sacrifice some freedoms for the sake of others, when you're in the middle of a public health crisis. People who aren't wearing masks where it is recommended to wear them are not looking out for their fellow Americans.

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