Coronavirus vs Trump
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It isn't so much a case of what I would do differently. I don't think there is any perfect way to address this. I think all city and state officials are hamstrung by the inadequacy of the federal response. I also don't think there is a one cookie cutter strategy that works equally well for all situations. What makes sense in crowded urban areas makes less sense in more rural areas. For example, large portions of Nevada don't need as many restrictions because they are already socially distanced. There's a whole lot of nothing in that state. But at the same time, the parts with casinos and strip clubs, etc. need to be locked down.
But I think every leader is taking the opportunity to have themselves be heard on a more regular basis now that the president has created a leadership vacuum on the federal response. If we were in normal times, nobody would be paying attention to daily briefings from these officials, but because everybody defaults to panic, lots more people are paying attention to them now. I'm not going to let what Cuomo says in his briefings make me forget all the other bad things he's done as governor. Nor am I going to forget that Newsom slept with his campaign manager's wife and was an alcoholic. I think when conservatives use the term "virtue signalling", he's the poster boy for that type of politician.
But I think every leader is taking the opportunity to have themselves be heard on a more regular basis now that the president has created a leadership vacuum on the federal response. If we were in normal times, nobody would be paying attention to daily briefings from these officials, but because everybody defaults to panic, lots more people are paying attention to them now. I'm not going to let what Cuomo says in his briefings make me forget all the other bad things he's done as governor. Nor am I going to forget that Newsom slept with his campaign manager's wife and was an alcoholic. I think when conservatives use the term "virtue signalling", he's the poster boy for that type of politician.
okaydo said:dimitrig said:
I just don't understand this partisan divide. "[P]eople who voted for Trump in the 2016 election are around 30% more likely to die from the coronavirus than Democrats. In some swing states from the 2016 election, such as Pennsylvania, if the coronavirus were to run wild, this effect alone could have wiped out up to 30% of the gap between Republicans and Democrats in the 2016 election."
I don't follow Chuck Woolery on Twitter. But a Washington Post reporter I follow tweeted the following 2 tweets into my timeline.
Click on any of the 2 following links to see the comments and you can see the current right-wing mindset (and understand why Fauci needs security).
Or also click here.
The right, which used to claim that it was all about personal accountability, is all about conspiracies, these days. When something transpires that they do not like, it's always the deep state or the liberal media out to get them. It couldn't be the Trumps, McConnells, and DeSantises of the world steering the country on irs current tragic course.
B.A. Bearacus said:
If someone has to get CV-19 asap Kayleigh should be third in line. Right behind an unnamed man and his son in law.
Proof that a just God does exist:
"President Trump predicted yesterday that the Republican National Convention will open as scheduled in Charlotte on Aug. 24 "We have no contingency plan" Axios
State issued Stay at Home Orders should be a prerequisite for Federal aid:
"As the crisis accelerates, five states have declined to issue stay-at-home orders: Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota and Arkansas. All have Republican governors.
On Sunday, Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson said there was no point issuing such an order because it would be ignored. "You have a stay-at-home order, tomorrow 600,000 Arkansans will still go to work," Hutchinson said on NBC." The Guardian
"This is a time of crisis and you're seeing certain people are better managers than others." Jared Kushner
Jared Kushner and his shadow corona unit: what is Trump's son-in-law up to?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/jared-kushner-coronavirus-aid-trump-governors?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Thanks for the article. Some excerpts:okaydo said:dimitrig said:bearister said:
Trump Veers Off to Attack Ukraine Whistleblower at Coronavirus Briefing
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rages-at-critics-at-coronavirus-press-conference
*Since tRump views himself as a war time POTUS, it truly is a gross injustice that he is not subject to being tried before a military tribunal for Dereliction of Duty and with all the appropriate war time penalties that come with a conviction on that charge.
Mitch McConnell will go down as the greatest traitor in US history for allowing this to happen. I hope he rots in hell.
This is the best article on McConnell from 1 year ago.
https://newrepublic.com/article/153275/mitch-mcconnell-profile-nihilist-chief
"So much, in other words, for all the sonorous talk of the United States Senate as the world's most august deliberative body: Its most powerful majority leader over the past decade is an errand boy for both an errant billionaire class of campaign donors, and an errant billionaire president."
"Being a Senate majority leader who doesn't care about almost any particular outcome to any particular political issue not directly related to making sure your funders can fund you actually seems to take quite a bit of pressure off, job performancewise. "
"[H]e, at every step on his ascent to power, enable[d] the worst excesses of an increasingly deranged movement of cranks, bigots, grifters, and plutocrats. "
and whomever cant see this clear as a sunny day is an idiot
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
dimitrig said:Thanks for the article. Some excerpts:okaydo said:dimitrig said:bearister said:
Trump Veers Off to Attack Ukraine Whistleblower at Coronavirus Briefing
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rages-at-critics-at-coronavirus-press-conference
*Since tRump views himself as a war time POTUS, it truly is a gross injustice that he is not subject to being tried before a military tribunal for Dereliction of Duty and with all the appropriate war time penalties that come with a conviction on that charge.
Mitch McConnell will go down as the greatest traitor in US history for allowing this to happen. I hope he rots in hell.
This is the best article on McConnell from 1 year ago.
https://newrepublic.com/article/153275/mitch-mcconnell-profile-nihilist-chief
"So much, in other words, for all the sonorous talk of the United States Senate as the world's most august deliberative body: Its most powerful majority leader over the past decade is an errand boy for both an errant billionaire class of campaign donors, and an errant billionaire president."
"Being a Senate majority leader who doesn't care about almost any particular outcome to any particular political issue not directly related to making sure your funders can fund you actually seems to take quite a bit of pressure off, job performancewise. "
"[H]e, at every step on his ascent to power, enable[d] the worst excesses of an increasingly deranged movement of cranks, bigots, grifters, and plutocrats. "
And that was a year ago. McConnell's taken it to the next level since then!
LACalFan said:Uhhh... he's a clownokaydo said:LACalFan said:He was at Cal getting a degree during the Holmoe years.... that's the only explanation.okaydo said:
Oh ****. I forgot I went to UC Berkeley as the same time as him.
Why doesn't the university and the CAA boast about him?
I was being sarcastic.
Whoosh. You have to give me a emoji or somethingokaydo said:I was being sarcastic.LACalFan said:Uhhh... he's a clownokaydo said:LACalFan said:He was at Cal getting a degree during the Holmoe years.... that's the only explanation.okaydo said:
Oh ****. I forgot I went to UC Berkeley as the same time as him.
Why doesn't the university and the CAA boast about him?
OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
Obviously, worse
Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
Kentucky is fortunate they have Beshear. Imagine his lunatic predecessor handling Coronavirus?
calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
I would rate the president poorly even compared to the numb-nutz Florida Governor.
I say this in all seriousness: tRump comes off dumber in those press conferences than Will Ferrell's impersonation of Dubya.
He is also like Jim Carey in Liar in that he has no filter or control over the words that come out of his mouth (except not the "I can't lie" part in Liar).
He is also like Jim Carey in Liar in that he has no filter or control over the words that come out of his mouth (except not the "I can't lie" part in Liar).
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I would say there is a pretty large gap between Inslee/Newsom and Cuomo. I don't know why people are thinking Cuomo is doing a good job.calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
They are probably comparing Cuomo to tRump so the bar is pretty low.golden sloth said:I would say there is a pretty large gap between Inslee/Newsom and Cuomo. I don't know why people are thinking Cuomo is doing a good job.calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
Because New Yorkers are better than everyone else according to the media.golden sloth said:I would say there is a pretty large gap between Inslee/Newsom and Cuomo. I don't know why people are thinking Cuomo is doing a good job.calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
Just look at Donald J. Trump!Professor Henry Higgins said:Because New Yorkers are better than everyone else according to the media.golden sloth said:I would say there is a pretty large gap between Inslee/Newsom and Cuomo. I don't know why people are thinking Cuomo is doing a good job.calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
This is what it looks like when the national response to a pandemic has failed to rise to the occasion because of incompetence at the top. Who will pay the price?
golden sloth said:I would say there is a pretty large gap between Inslee/Newsom and Cuomo. I don't know why people are thinking Cuomo is doing a good job.calpoly said:How would your rate the president compared to the above three Governors?Anarchistbear said:OdontoBear66 said:He is looking very, very good right now. Has a podium presence like Kennedy and Clinton and gives every impression of being a stand up guy. He will be a major player on the national scene as soon as the opportunity presents (yes, future President, unless he screws up along the way).okaydo said:
Like most of what happens here it is a media not a factual exercise- and one of limited shelf life- but if you are looking for above average performance in context the Governors of Washington and Kentucky deserve as much and more credit than Newsome and certainly more credit than Cuomo and ... infinitely more than the stooge De Blasio.
Cuomo with Coronavirus
Giuliani after 9/11
Bush after 9/11
Christie after Hurricane Sandy
Sh*tty people have a knack for looking good amid a crisis.
In fact, it's better to respond to a crisis, media attention-wise, than to prevent one.
No, because war invokes being attacked. It's a useful trope to create an enemy and an existential threat where there is none.
In truth the virus is more akin to the Little Big Horn but nobody is going to tell that story.
In truth the virus is more akin to the Little Big Horn but nobody is going to tell that story.
Ok, I'm going to say this again. De Blasio is a clown. Zero argument from anyone on that. Cuomo has been incredible during this crisis. While the initial response was sub optimal, since then he's been very good. New York's situation was infinitely more complicated due to density, the sheer numbers of people who travel here internationally, domestically and regionally. That required a multi state response and not just one from New York. It was complicated. Realize that people commute into the city from New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania on a daily basis and that the vast network of travel up and down the eastern seaboard makes the situation here completely different than on the west coast. Inslee is the one stand out star with Newsom also handling this crisis impressively. Cuomo has absolutely managed a far more complicated situation very well.
I agree with much of what you say, but I think "sub optimal" initial response is a drastic understatement. It is more like after the 7 turnovers in the first quarter we played really well and only lost by 28. Yeah, it was only one mistake, but it was a huge mistake.NYCGOBEARS said:
Ok, I'm going to say this again. De Blasio is a clown. Zero argument from anyone on that. Cuomo has been incredible during this crisis. While the initial response was sub optimal, since then he's been very good. New York's situation was infinitely more complicated due to density, the sheer numbers of people who travel here internationally, domestically and regionally. That required a multi state response and not just one from New York. It was complicated. Realize that people commute into the city from New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania on a daily basis and that the vast network of travel up and down the eastern seaboard makes the situation here completely different than on the west coast. Inslee is the one stand out star with Newsom also handling this crisis impressively. Cuomo has absolutely managed a far more complicated situation very well.
Could Newsom and Inslee have managed a massive health crisis as well as Cuomo has? We may never know. What we do know is they certainly did a much better job of AVERTING the massive health crisis. Maybe that means they only handled one decision better than Cuomo did, but that was the most important decision.
Don't agree that it entirely required a multi state response. If you shut down non-essential businesses, you don't have people commuting in from other states. The bottom line is EVERYONE was too afraid to hurt the economy and just wouldn't look at how this was playing out everywhere. Newsom was very early and I was complaining for a week before he shut everything down. The curves were obvious.
Although, yes, the absolute best response would have been and would be a national one that shut everything down all at once. Would have been best for our health and for the ultimate health of the economy.
Yes, NYC, I read your similar opinion on another thread. As you are closer to the situation, I'd be interested in your response to Oaktown's comments. (The numbers from NY, NJ, CT and PN together are now horrific.)
That is the view from out here, but, like I said, you are closer to the situation.
Would also be interested in you elaborating on de Blasio. I saw him on Bill Maher last year and was very impressed, but, you know: small sample size (very small!).
PS: To you and my friends and family in the greater NYC area, stay safe!
That is the view from out here, but, like I said, you are closer to the situation.
Would also be interested in you elaborating on de Blasio. I saw him on Bill Maher last year and was very impressed, but, you know: small sample size (very small!).
PS: To you and my friends and family in the greater NYC area, stay safe!
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