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You and some others on this board have been so overtaken by Trump Derangement Syndrome that your health and well-being is more threatened by TDS than it is by the corona virus. I guess you've never heard of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, one of the world's foremost experts in immunology and epidemiology. Or how about Dr. Robert Redfield (Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) or Dr. Anne Schuchaf (Depty Didrector of CDC) or Dr. Francis Collins (Director Of the National Institute of Health)? All of them are on the President's task force and have been meeting daily with the media on TV to explain what's being done to combat the corona virus. Today Dr. Fauci announced that our scientists have developed a vaccine for the virus and testing through the FDA on humans will begin very soon. He also said that medications are being developed to treat the virus and will be available before the vaccine is ready for widespread use. But none of these facts fits your TDS narrative that nothing is being done, or the effort is being led by bungling non-scientists. Get a clue!

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Thanks for sharing this information, Golden. We all understand that a vaccine is at least a year away. I didn't see the quote about therapeutics. What was shared by Fauci regarding therapeutics timelines? Was it simply that something should be available in less than a year?

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Unit2Sucks said:

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You are living in a fantasy world. The Trump administration has done more to lock down public health experts from speaking publicly than they have the spread of the virus. The head of the WHO, which Trump has reduced funding for, has said we are in uncharted territory and labeled this an unprecedented respiratory infection capable of community transmission. The CDC has completely botched testing for COVID-19 and we would be extremely fortunate if it hasn't already been contracted by thousands of people across the US.

It's hilarious when someone like you, who has consistently fallen for Trump's lies hook, line and sinker, tries to lecture anyone on educating themselves with respect to any issue where Trump is involved.

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You and some others on this board have been so overtaken by Trump Derangement Syndrome that your health and well-being is more threatened by TDS than it is by the corona virus. I guess you've never heard of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, one of the world's foremost experts in immunology and epidemiology. Or how about Dr. Robert Redfield (Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) or Dr. Anne Schuchaf (Depty Didrector of CDC) or Dr. Francis Collins (Director Of the National Institute of Health)? All of them are on the President's task force and have been meeting daily with the media on TV to explain what's being done to combat the corona virus. Today Dr. Fauci announced that our scientists have developed a vaccine for the virus and testing through the FDA on humans will begin very soon. He also said that medications are being developed to treat the virus and will be available before the vaccine is ready for widespread use. But none of these facts fits your TDS narrative that nothing is being done, or the effort is being led by bungling non-scientists. Get a clue!

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Don't let facts get in the way of their agenda

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Oh, believe me. He isn't

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Israel has stated they're just weeks out from a successful vaccine and @3 months from delivery to market.

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Instead of some miracle scenario, I think it's best to set expectations based on Fauci: "a year, year-and-a-half at least" for a vaccine.

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Golden One said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Thanks for sharing this information, Golden. We all understand that a vaccine is at least a year away. I didn't see the quote about therapeutics. What was shared by Fauci regarding therapeutics timelines? Was it simply that something should be available in less than a year?

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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More gaslighting from G1.

As far as I'm aware, Fauci said that we will know in a few months if the therapeutics Gilead is developing are effective, not that they would be generally available to the public on any particular timeframe.

Please provide the source for Fauci stating therapeutics would be available to the public in 3-4 months?

And, by the way, 3-4 months is a long time in this pandemic.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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That sounds very promising. So to be clear, did he say "would" and not "could"? The meaning changes a lot depending on the word used. Also, can you you please provide a source for this so that everyone can just reference Fauci's own words? If you were watching it live on tv and don't have a reference, that's ok. Can someone else locate this quote?

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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That sounds very promising. So to be clear, did he say "would" and not "could"? The meaning changes a lot depending on the word used. Also, can you you please provide a source for this so that everyone can just reference Fauci's own words? If you were watching it live on tv and don't have a reference, that's ok. Can someone else locate this quote?

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There are a number of candidate therapies that literally as I speak to you today, are being tested in randomized controlled trials. One of these is called Remdesivir, which was developed by the Gilead company. It is being tested in a large trial in China and it is also being tested here in the United States in an NIH-sponsored trial in collaboration with Gilead. We should know within a period of a few months, several months, whether or not this particular drug works. If it does, the implementation of that would be almost immediate. Now, I can't guarantee that it'll work or other drugs which are in the pipeline a little bit behind them. But the timetable for treatment is different than the timetable for a vaccine. And that's why I want to see if we can clear up any misunderstandings that are sometimes out there.

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The Trump supporter believes that a man who routinely denies science; doesn't read or get briefed; and just learned that the flu kills over 25,000 a year is ALSO the bold leader who is setting well-informed public health policy like no other president or administration could--and that any failure to protect American lives is not the result of his ignorance, narcissism, self-interest, budget cuts, or lack of expertise-based governance, but simply a Dem hoax.

This entire presidency is just a huge mass of people wanting to feel like they still have a place in the world by having a president who reflects who they are back at them: ignorant, inarticulate, uneducated, and bigoted. So glad it is they who are shaping the nationand allowing the criminals to do business with impunity behind the MAGA smokescreen.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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I saw it on live TV. I heard him say "would", but honestly it may well have been "could".

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Golden, your initial characterization of what Faludi said was unfortunately incorrect. Here's the exact point where he clarifies that he is absolutely not saying that a therapeutic will be available in three months (folks can scroll back a bit if they want to see where he starts talking about therapeutics).

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now I see why he likes Trump. He makes the same dumbass mistakes that Trump makes. We are talking about a testing phase. We are not 3-4 months away from therapeutic solution. He never said that. We are about that time from finishing phase one testing.

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Seriously. Just because Trump has some smart people on his team doesn't mean he is listening to them.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Golden, if T were giving you advice here he'd say you have two options:

A. Triple down on the false or misleading statements.
B. Insist that you actually said something different despite there being a record of what you said.

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It's okay the dear little thing is just suffering from SBSFIED (Stupid Being Stupid Finger In Ear Disfunction). Totally ignore anything he says because it is all just pointless SBSFIED. Coronavirus is less deadly than people like OneNote and his SBSFIED.

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OaktownBear said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Golden One said:

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I saw it on live TV. I heard him say "would", but honestly it may well have been "could".

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Golden, your initial characterization of what Faludi said was unfortunately incorrect. Here's the exact point where he clarifies that he is absolutely not saying that a therapeutic will be available in three months (you can scroll back a bit to see where he starts talking about therapeutics).

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now I see why he likes Trump. He makes the same dumbass mistakes that Trump makes. We are talking about a testing phase. We are not 3-4 months away from therapeutic solution. He never said that. We are about that time from finishing phase one testing.

This is from 2 hours ago. Pharmaceutical Inovio dramatically shortened the timeframe for a therapeutic. Its stock went up 70% Now its time line is as follows

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The biotech has already started pre-clinical testing which will continue this month while it finalizes the clinical trial design. Inovio plans to manufacture 3,000 doses of its vaccine candidate this month to be used in clinical trials.

Inovio plans to start a clinical trial in 30 healthy volunteers in the U.S. next month with the thought to expand to people in China and South Korea shortly thereafter. Data from the studies would be available in the fall.

By the end of the year, Inovio is hoping to have 1 million doses of INO-4800 available for additional clinical trials or emergency use depending on what regulators want at that point.

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So by the end of the year they hope to have enough doses for a larger trial and some emergency use. That is the awesome news that drove the stock price up.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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That sounds very promising. So to be clear, did he say "would" and not "could"? The meaning changes a lot depending on the word used. Also, can you you please provide a source for this so that everyone can just reference Fauci's own words? If you were watching it live on tv and don't have a reference, that's ok. Can someone else locate this quote?

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Here's the transcript so you can make up your own mind.

Relevant portion:

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There are a number of candidate therapies that literally as I speak to you today, are being tested in randomized controlled trials. One of these is called Remdesivir, which was developed by the Gilead company. It is being tested in a large trial in China and it is also being tested here in the United States in an NIH-sponsored trial in collaboration with Gilead. We should know within a period of a few months, several months, whether or not this particular drug works. If it does, the implementation of that would be almost immediate. Now, I can't guarantee that it'll work or other drugs which are in the pipeline a little bit behind them. But the timetable for treatment is different than the timetable for a vaccine. And that's why I want to see if we can clear up any misunderstandings that are sometimes out there.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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Golden One said:

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Thanks for sharing this information, Golden. We all understand that a vaccine is at least a year away. I didn't see the quote about therapeutics. What was shared by Fauci regarding therapeutics timelines? Was it simply that something should be available in less than a year?

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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More gaslighting from G1.

As far as I'm aware, Fauci said that we will know in a few months if the therapeutics Gilead is developing are effective, not that they would be generally available to the public on any particular timeframe.

Please provide the source for Fauci stating therapeutics would be available to the public in 3-4 months?

And, by the way, 3-4 months is a long time in this pandemic.

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He said exactly what I mentioned in his interaction with the media today.

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Doubling down on gaslighting after having been proven wrong. TDS indeed.

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Golden, if T were giving you advice here he'd say you have two options:

A. Triple down on the false or misleading statements.
B. Insist that you actually said something different despite there being a record of what you said.

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This is exactly what has happened. I'm not sure at this point if G1 is intentionally gaslighting us or just has no idea what is going on.

He first said that Fauci said:

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He anticipated that therapeutics would be available in 3-4 months.

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I corrected him based on the senate testimony Fauci gave and he responded with:

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He said exactly what I mentioned in his interaction with the media today.

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BA asked him whether he said "would"'or "could" and G1 responded:

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I saw it on live TV. I heard him say "would", but honestly it may well have been "could".

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So I corrected with the senate subcommittee transcript:

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We should know within a period of a few months, several months, whether or not this particular drug works. If it does, the implementation of that would be almost immediate. Now, I can't guarantee that it'll work or other drugs which are in the pipeline a little bit behind them.

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Someone else posts a lawn video where Fauci largely says the same thing and G1 responds with the following:

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Your clip is not what I saw on TV. What I saw was his statement made at Trump's visit to NIH headquarters not any remarks made on the WH lawn. The transcript of Fauci's remarks at NIH in a post above confirms what I said in my post.

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Fauci did make comments with Trump at the NIH today (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-roundtable-briefing-coronavirus-bethesda-md/) and if you read the transcript you will see that all he said was that we would begin testing a therapy (I presume Gilead's) within 2-3 months but that he was hopeful it would be 2. Nowhere does he say it would be effective or that it would be available to the public on any specific timeframe because, as he noted on the lawn, you have to test it first to make sure it works!

I'm beginning to wonder at this point in my review of the record whether G1 has any idea what he's been watching or how to interpret words.

Finally, G1 has come around to the senate testimony I posted and quotes it and pretends that it is consistent with what he previously said - which anyone who is reading this post knows isn't true. He believes the senate testimony is the NIH briefing that he claims to have listened to live.

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That's basically what I said. I said 3-4 months, and your transcript quote says "a period of a few, several months" with "implementation that would be almost immediate".

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So at this point the question really is whether G1 has a tenuous grip on the facts or is a shameless gas lighter. I suppose there is no reason to believe that the two are mutually exclusive.

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