NYCGOBEARS said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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GBear4Life said:

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If Trump had handled this like a BOSS ( in the eyes of those on the fence) he'd still have no shot. Crises are bad for the incumbent any way you slice it.

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Dubya had a crisis and was re-elected despite being a dumbass and then had another crisis.

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Serious question: What was bush's first crisis? Iraq? Was that a problem in 2004?

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9/11

I wasn't even counting the Iraq War as a crisis. It just followed from 9/11.

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I guess when I see the word "crisis," I see a word with a negative connotation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall his handling of 9/11 being a big part of the 2004 presidential race. (Again, I may be wrong.)

I think of 9/11 as enhancing Bush.

If my memory serves me right, (and, again I could be wrong), I remember on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in 2011 Bush and Obama speaking at the World Trade Center. This was a few months after Osama Bin Laden was killed. Yet I remember Bush being universally cheered and Obama receiving at least some boos.

9/11 enhanced Bush in the eyes of the American public. He wasn't blamed for missing out on the terrorist attack. Just like, at least so far, Trump isn't being blamed on bungling the pandemic. (Although there is a lot of *vocal* evidence of Trump bungling this, which may hopefully ultimately hurt him.)

If Bush had taken the memo seriously and stopped 9/11 before it happened and never had a terrorist attack before the 2004 election, he'd probably look less heroic.

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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GBear4Life said:

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If Trump had handled this like a BOSS ( in the eyes of those on the fence) he'd still have no shot. Crises are bad for the incumbent any way you slice it.

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Dubya had a crisis and was re-elected despite being a dumbass and then had another crisis.

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Serious question: What was bush's first crisis? Iraq? Was that a problem in 2004?

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9/11

I wasn't even counting the Iraq War as a crisis. It just followed from 9/11.

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I guess when I see the word "crisis," I see a word with a negative connotation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall his handling of 9/11 being a big part of the 2004 presidential race. (Again, I may be wrong.)

I think of 9/11 as enhancing Bush.

If my memory serves me right, (and, again I could be wrong), I remember on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in 2011 Bush and Obama speaking at the World Trade Center. This was a few months after Osama Bin Laden was killed. Yet I remember Bush being universally cheered and Obama receiving at least some boos.

9/11 enhanced Bush in the eyes of the American public. He wasn't blamed for missing out on the terrorist attack. Just like, at least so far, Trump isn't being blamed on bungling the pandemic. (Although there is a lot of *vocal* evidence of Trump bungling this, which may hopefully ultimately hurt him.)

If Bush had taken the memo seriously and stopped 9/11 before it happened and never had a terrorist attack before the 2004 election, he'd probably look less heroic.

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Yep. Bush was loved in 2004 for Iraq. And literally the whole election was about Iraq on both side.

And the hilarious thing is that once the Democrats got into power, all the stuff they complained about in 2004 stayed the same. Guantanemo still open. Soldiers still in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soliders in Syria. Drone attacks.

And yet they still wonder why people don't vote for them.

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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GBear4Life said:

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If Trump had handled this like a BOSS ( in the eyes of those on the fence) he'd still have no shot. Crises are bad for the incumbent any way you slice it.

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Dubya had a crisis and was re-elected despite being a dumbass and then had another crisis.

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Serious question: What was bush's first crisis? Iraq? Was that a problem in 2004?

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9/11

I wasn't even counting the Iraq War as a crisis. It just followed from 9/11.

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I guess when I see the word "crisis," I see a word with a negative connotation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall his handling of 9/11 being a big part of the 2004 presidential race. (Again, I may be wrong.)

I think of 9/11 as enhancing Bush.

If my memory serves me right, (and, again I could be wrong), I remember on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in 2011 Bush and Obama speaking at the World Trade Center. This was a few months after Osama Bin Laden was killed. Yet I remember Bush being universally cheered and Obama receiving at least some boos.

9/11 enhanced Bush in the eyes of the American public. He wasn't blamed for missing out on the terrorist attack. Just like, at least so far, Trump isn't being blamed on bungling the pandemic. (Although there is a lot of *vocal* evidence of Trump bungling this, which may hopefully ultimately hurt him.)

If Bush had taken the memo seriously and stopped 9/11 before it happened and never had a terrorist attack before the 2004 election, he'd probably look less heroic.

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Yep. Bush was loved in 2004 for Iraq. And literally the whole election was about Iraq on both side.

And the hilarious thing is that once the Democrats got into power, all the stuff they complained about in 2004 stayed the same. Guantanemo still open. Soldiers still in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soliders in Syria. Drone attacks.

And yet they still wonder why people don't vote for them.

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Honestly, Guantanamo and the drone attacks didn't bother me, and didn't stop me from voting for BO in 2012. We were fighting a war.

As for the soldiers in Iraq, BO pulled them out. And was criticized by the right for it. The R's conveniently forgot that the last status of forces agreement negotiated by W required them to withdraw, and the Iraqi government refused to negotiate a new one. Leaving our guys in country would have meant they would be subject to prosecution in Iraqi courts.

As for Afghanistan, what would you have done? Let the Taliban continue to harbor bin Laden and other terrorists?

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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GBear4Life said:

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If Trump had handled this like a BOSS ( in the eyes of those on the fence) he'd still have no shot. Crises are bad for the incumbent any way you slice it.

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Dubya had a crisis and was re-elected despite being a dumbass and then had another crisis.

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Serious question: What was bush's first crisis? Iraq? Was that a problem in 2004?

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9/11

I wasn't even counting the Iraq War as a crisis. It just followed from 9/11.

---

I guess when I see the word "crisis," I see a word with a negative connotation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall his handling of 9/11 being a big part of the 2004 presidential race. (Again, I may be wrong.)

I think of 9/11 as enhancing Bush.

If my memory serves me right, (and, again I could be wrong), I remember on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in 2011 Bush and Obama speaking at the World Trade Center. This was a few months after Osama Bin Laden was killed. Yet I remember Bush being universally cheered and Obama receiving at least some boos.

9/11 enhanced Bush in the eyes of the American public. He wasn't blamed for missing out on the terrorist attack. Just like, at least so far, Trump isn't being blamed on bungling the pandemic. (Although there is a lot of *vocal* evidence of Trump bungling this, which may hopefully ultimately hurt him.)

If Bush had taken the memo seriously and stopped 9/11 before it happened and never had a terrorist attack before the 2004 election, he'd probably look less heroic.

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Yep. Bush was loved in 2004 for Iraq. And literally the whole election was about Iraq on both side.

And the hilarious thing is that once the Democrats got into power, all the stuff they complained about in 2004 stayed the same. Guantanemo still open. Soldiers still in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soliders in Syria. Drone attacks.

And yet they still wonder why people don't vote for them.

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Honestly, Guantanamo and the drone attacks didn't bother me, and didn't stop me from voting for BO in 2012. We were fighting a war.

As for the soldiers in Iraq, BO pulled them out. And was criticized by the right for it. The R's conveniently forgot that the last status of forces agreement negotiated by W required them to withdraw, and the Iraqi government refused to negotiate a new one. Leaving our guys in country would have meant they would be subject to prosecution in Iraqi courts.

As for Afghanistan, what would you have done? Let the Taliban continue to harbor bin Laden and other terrorists?

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All our activity in Afghanistan netted us exactly zero on bin Laden.

As for Republicans, they would literally criticize anything any Democratic president did unless it was Tulsi.

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chazzed said:

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It's simply unbelievable. You have a man that has led the worst response in the world, arguably. As a result, thousands of your citizens have died and many thousands more will perish. The man has decided it would be a good time to brag about ratings of his pressers conferences (which are replete with sobering facts). My god. My poor country.

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AunBear89 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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chazzed said:

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It's simply unbelievable. You have a man that has led the worst response in the world, arguably. As a result, thousands of your citizens have died and many thousands more will perish. The man has decided it would be a good time to brag about ratings of his pressers conferences (which are replete with sobering facts). My god. My poor country.

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Spare us

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Spare you what? What, exactly, do you dispute? Please enlighten us with a reasoned explanation and not some dope meme you found on some "patriot" website.

Maybe you object to the mention of "sobering facts" without also mentioning the slobbering sycophants as well?

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chazzed said:

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No, the perfect Trump sycophant has a point. It's simply TDS. It should be obvious that the coronavirus response debacle is Obama's and/or the deep state's fault. If I were being objective, I would see that bragging about ratings is very presidential. At a time like this, we should watch out for our dear leader's feelings. I mean, we're forcing him to lie!

I'm so thankful for you being there to wake me up, beautiful sycophant.

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OaktownBear said:

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GBear4Life said:

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AunBear89 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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chazzed said:

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It's simply unbelievable. You have a man that has led the worst response in the world, arguably. As a result, thousands of your citizens have died and many thousands more will perish. The man has decided it would be a good time to brag about ratings of his pressers conferences (which are replete with sobering facts). My god. My poor country.

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Spare us

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Spare you what? What, exactly, do you dispute? Please enlighten us with a reasoned explanation and not some dope meme you found on some "patriot" website.

Maybe you object to the mention of "sobering facts" without also mentioning the slobbering sycophants as well?

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It was a tired, hyperbolic post bereft of facts or seriousness. Much like your post.

He's lashing out. The anger and resentment and bitterness and inability to cope with a Trump presidency leads to such posts. TDS needs a vaccine.

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And here we have another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome Derangement Syndrome

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bearister said:

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AunBear89 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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AunBear89 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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chazzed said:

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It's simply unbelievable. You have a man that has led the worst response in the world, arguably. As a result, thousands of your citizens have died and many thousands more will perish. The man has decided it would be a good time to brag about ratings of his pressers conferences (which are replete with sobering facts). My god. My poor country.

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Spare us

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Spare you what? What, exactly, do you dispute? Please enlighten us with a reasoned explanation and not some dope meme you found on some "patriot" website.

Maybe you object to the mention of "sobering facts" without also mentioning the slobbering sycophants as well?

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It was a tired, hyperbolic post bereft of facts or seriousness. Much like your post.

He's lashing out. The anger and resentment and bitterness and inability to cope with a Trump presidency leads to such posts. TDS needs a vaccine.

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So noted - ya got nothing. Bragging about press conference ratings and insulting governors that don't lick your arse are the height of presidential behavior. And here's a funny meme with a scarecrow...

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okaydo said:

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BearChemist said:

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Trump has been nudging MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell to run for office

Former crackhead who found 'redemption' through God stood in WH sucking trumpballs and advertising for his fraudulent pillow company. #MAGA

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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okaydo said:

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dimitrig said:

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GBear4Life said:

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If Trump had handled this like a BOSS ( in the eyes of those on the fence) he'd still have no shot. Crises are bad for the incumbent any way you slice it.

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Dubya had a crisis and was re-elected despite being a dumbass and then had another crisis.

---

Serious question: What was bush's first crisis? Iraq? Was that a problem in 2004?

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9/11

I wasn't even counting the Iraq War as a crisis. It just followed from 9/11.

---

I guess when I see the word "crisis," I see a word with a negative connotation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall his handling of 9/11 being a big part of the 2004 presidential race. (Again, I may be wrong.)

I think of 9/11 as enhancing Bush.

If my memory serves me right, (and, again I could be wrong), I remember on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in 2011 Bush and Obama speaking at the World Trade Center. This was a few months after Osama Bin Laden was killed. Yet I remember Bush being universally cheered and Obama receiving at least some boos.

9/11 enhanced Bush in the eyes of the American public. He wasn't blamed for missing out on the terrorist attack. Just like, at least so far, Trump isn't being blamed on bungling the pandemic. (Although there is a lot of *vocal* evidence of Trump bungling this, which may hopefully ultimately hurt him.)

If Bush had taken the memo seriously and stopped 9/11 before it happened and never had a terrorist attack before the 2004 election, he'd probably look less heroic.

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Yep. Bush was loved in 2004 for Iraq. And literally the whole election was about Iraq on both side.

And the hilarious thing is that once the Democrats got into power, all the stuff they complained about in 2004 stayed the same. Guantanemo still open. Soldiers still in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soliders in Syria. Drone attacks.

And yet they still wonder why people don't vote for them.

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Honestly, Guantanamo and the drone attacks didn't bother me, and didn't stop me from voting for BO in 2012. We were fighting a war.

As for the soldiers in Iraq, BO pulled them out. And was criticized by the right for it. The R's conveniently forgot that the last status of forces agreement negotiated by W required them to withdraw, and the Iraqi government refused to negotiate a new one. Leaving our guys in country would have meant they would be subject to prosecution in Iraqi courts.

As for Afghanistan, what would you have done? Let the Taliban continue to harbor bin Laden and other terrorists?

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All our activity in Afghanistan netted us exactly zero on bin Laden.
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GBear4Life said:

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Killing Bin Ladin was inconsequential except for our (somewhat rational) thirst for revenge. Terrorism is today what is today with or without Bin Ladin.

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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GBear4Life said:

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Killing Bin Ladin was inconsequential except for our (somewhat rational) thirst for revenge. Terrorism is today what is today with or without Bin Ladin.

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Maybe, maybe not. But it felt good anyway. Sorta like winning big game when both teams suck

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FuzzyWuzzy said:

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I asked if you would have handled Afghanistan differently but you didn't really answer. In afghanistan we were unsuccessful in capturing or killing OBL but we did flush him out of the mountains to a city in pak where he was eventually found and killed. We destroyed al qaeda training camps and bases where they were preparing for more terrorist attacks, eventually leading to the neutering of that group's ability to project terrorism to our shores. We unclenched the deathgrip the taliban had on much of the populace. Yes, Afghanistan is still one of the most F'ed up places on earth but given their harboring of terrorists hellbent on killing all of us im not sure what else we should have done. I generally agree with the bernie-trump doctrine of staying out of foreign wars. But sometimes it's in our best interest to take the fight to evil instead of waiting for it to cone to our shores. I don't think the choices were great but i do think the "dems" as you call them, and their military and national security experts, probably chose the best available option. Again what would you have done?

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