OT: Trump/Russians/Robert Mueller

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BearNIt said:

Watching Trump & Gulliani spinning out of control this week was a picture in a mental meltdown ala Richie Incognito. Trump just can't quit Comey and Gulliani sounds like a mental patient as he repeatedly contradicts himself again and again and forgets basic legal concepts. Anybody think that Trump has the balls to sit down to an interview with Mueller? Meanwhile after saying that "no WH staff would attend the briefing regarding FBI intel", both Kelly and Flood show up to "say a few words". Anybody think they won't know exactly what was discussed in the private intel briefing? All Mueller is doing is working the intel and Trump, Gulliani & Flood have not a clue what he knows, what he has held back, and what is coming. The investigation is nowhere near done with talk of Cohen having reportedly visited the Ukraine and then being hired by the Ukraine to represent them and the sudden end of their cooperation with the Mueller investigation after previously providing intel to the previous administration regarding a certain Cheeto being compromised. By the way, Cohen testified that he had not been to Europe, OOPS! This is not the first time a country stopped cooperating with Mueller. (See Qatar & Kushner(s) Then there is Trumps guy, Roger I'm A Gigantic ****** Stone, who gave testimony that is being contradicted by his own emails regarding contact with Wikileaks, Assange, and seeking dirt on Clinton. It looks like his interview on the Circus was prophetic concerning Mueller's discovering Stone's wrongdoing. Then Trump Jr. is in big trouble for not disclosing meeting with Middle East envoys. Mueller will perform the Salida, as he saves the indictments of Kushner and Trump Jr., like the final sword a bull fighter uses before he makes the final kill shot. There will be more than enough indictments for everyone in the Trump orbit to go around. The destruction of the Trump mafia family is coming and their is nothing they can do about it.

Then there is the North Korea s&*^storm.

I, for one, will be interested to see what effect Flood's participation in this administration will have on his previously, fairly good legal reputation.
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It seems that this character Broidy might be the gatekeeper to Trump's pay to play scheme as well as his fixer and bag man to pay off affairs. Apparently there's plenty of fixer work from the Trump org. It sort of makes sense since he seems a bit smarter or savvy than Michael Cohen, who plays the mob enforcer thug role. Broidy seems to work the international shake down scheme. I think he offered to kill a US sanction on a Malaysian for $70 million. He's a Hollywood producer by trade.

Some of the action for sale might be cabinet or assistant cabinet appointments. I think this is what Mueller is going after: Trump has been selling appointments and enriching himself.
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I hate trump.
I don't understand or respect those who believe he's a good president.
I would like to see a flock of seagulls drop excrement bombs on top of him.
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I had heard about Broidy and the lucrative contracts he was retained on if he could get rid of problems within 90 days, 1 year, and even if he didn't he and his wife would keep the $8 million retainer they would be paid. Pay to play would seem to be another area that should be investigated given Trump's reversal on ZTE after the Chinese back a $500 million loan for a Trump development, Qatar's and Ukraine's sudden reversal and ending of cooperation with Mueller's investigation after the Kushners got their 666 loan and the Ukrainians got their weapons.
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I don't know when Mueller's team sleeps. The graft, corruption, collusion and obstruction is so deep and tangled, it's amazing.
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concordtom said:

I hate trump.
I don't understand or respect those who believe he's a good president.
I would like to see a flock of seagulls drop excrement bombs on top of him.


I'd settle for him being locked in a room and being forced to listen to a flock of seagulls and watch the video 24/7 for 10 years.

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Another Bear
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The thing is...Dotard probably loves that video because he can relate to the weird hair. His doo is Flock of Seagulls old bald guy edition. Nice grab however.

OH god damn...it's real!

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bearister said:

concordtom said:

I hate trump.
I don't understand or respect those who believe he's a good president.
I would like to see a flock of seagulls drop excrement bombs on top of him.
I'd settle for him being locked in a room and being forced to listen to a flock of seagulls and watch the video 24/7 for 10 years.



Sounds like a new "I Ran" deal is in the works. Also, Bearister is ageist. I was all about New Wave growing up!
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NYCGOBEARS said:

I don't know when Mueller's team sleeps. The graft, corruption, collusion and obstruction is so deep and tangled, it's amazing.
No kidding.
They probably rented out that huge old hanger in moffett field to white board all the twists and turns.
I can't keep up at all.

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Another Bear said:

The thing is...Dotard probably loves that video because he can relate to the weird hair. His doo is Flock of Seagulls old bald guy edition. Nice grab however.

OH god damn...it's real!


Super LOL
blungld
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concordtom said:

Another Bear said:

The thing is...Dotard probably loves that video because he can relate to the weird hair. His doo is Flock of Seagulls old bald guy edition. Nice grab however.

OH god damn...it's real!


Super LOL
What is it with psychopaths and their hair? Think about all the nut jobs who have had hair issues. Maybe the path to world peace is through hair regeneration research?
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Michael Cohen took part in a Trump Tower meeting with billionaire Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg eleven days before Trump's inauguration, reports the New York Times.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/25/russian-oligarch-michael-cohen-trump-inauguration-sources?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Today a prosecutor says that Trump Jr. should be worried about wire taps obtained on a Putin ally who he met at a NRA convention. There are members of Congress asking that Trump Jr. come back to testify again as his testimony doesn't match the evidence in Mueller's possession. He has denied meeting with reps of foreign countries and there is evidence to the contrary. Lying to Congress can't be a good look.

Cohen apparently met with another Russian on January 9 and a few days later gets a $1 million dollar contract from Vekselberg's cousin per witness who was at the meeting. This was apparently the second of three meetings that Cohen had with the Russian oligarch in Trump tower. Is Cohen ever going to see the light of day after Mueller is done with him. Earlier this week the Taxi King pleaded guilty in a plea deal with the promise to testify in other investigations.

Is it me or are Russians appearing with Trump associates like leprechauns looking for their pot of gold? Every time a Trump Associate walks by a tree a Russian falls out of it.

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BearNIt said:

Today a prosecutor says that Trump Jr. should be worried about wire taps obtained on a Putin ally who he met at a NRA convention. There are members of Congress asking that Trump Jr. come back to testify again as his testimony doesn't match the evidence in Mueller's possession. He has denied meeting with reps of foreign countries and there is evidence to the contrary. Lying to Congress can't be a good look.

Cohen apparently met with another Russian on January 9 and a few days later gets a $1 million dollar contract from Vekselberg's cousin per witness who was at the meeting. This was apparently the second of three meetings that Cohen had with the Russian oligarch in Trump tower. Is Cohen ever going to see the light of day after Mueller is done with him. Earlier this week the Taxi King pleaded guilty in a plea deal with the promise to testify in other investigations.

Is it me or are Russians appearing with Trump associates like leprechauns looking for their pot of gold? Every time a Trump Associate walks by a tree a Russian falls out of it.




But remember the Trump campaign had NO COLLUSION, they've never met a Russian, never been to Russia, never even knew Russia was a country...don't believe the fake news from the deep state that pretty much EVERYONE in the campaign had ties to Russia and was deal making for Russian mob money.

This is a totally clean and ethical Presidency, right?
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This whole thing is so beyond partisan politics now. If you do not want Trump and his cronies thrown out for criminal and unethical activities you are either a liar, a fool, or a traitor. That's it.
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blungld said:

This whole thing is so beyond partisan politics now. If you do not want Trump and his cronies thrown out for criminal and unethical activities you are either a liar, a fool, or a traitor. That's it.


..or a really rich guy that puts increasing your wealth above the good of your country and mankind.
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concordtom
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Barrel of fools.
sonofabear51
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And, if that is the case, then you as a person are a really screwed up individual, IMHO.
concordtom
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You gotta admit, it's pretty funny how a core group of us are rotating thru 5-10 threads spewing our immense disgust over and over again.

It IS therapeutic, though.
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sonofabear51 said:

And, if that is the case, then you as a person are a really screwed up individual, IMHO.
Who are you talking to or about, and why is that the case, in your opinion?
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I say witness it and purge the hate, don't live with it. This seems to be of historic proportions. This is way beyond Nixon. We have foreign actors/enemies involved in elections. You can't make this stuff up.

It seems Russia has been infiltrating the American conservative movement for a while now. That's not a rabbit hole, that's a sinkhole. So the NRA and Russians are big friends. There's speculation the Russians/Putin have been funding the NRA. They're not doing this for fun, but to destabilize this country. You have to wonder how they have an endless supply of funds.

Mass shootings in the U.S. are at a true epidemic scale. It's a social virus. The damage isn't simply dead people shot and killed but societal well being.

I know this borders on tin foil hat time, but I think the Russians have planted messaging in the U.S. (social media?) to spur on mass shootings. The Russians/Putin backs the NRA's extremism. Mass shootings aren't happening withOUT the NRA getting assault weapons legal.

Any way, there's wiretap recordings of Trump Jr. and Russians, picked up by Spanish intel. It figures one of the two Trump Fredos would tip the case. Some guy named Romanoff involved.
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In anticipation of the anniversary of the inauguration of President Trump, Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA, issued the following statement:

"While the policies of the Trump administration presented daunting challenges over the past year, we also saw the rise of a fierce and determined movement of people across the country and around the world standing up to defend human rights. Starting with the throngs of people braving the January cold to fill the streets on the very first day of his presidency and continuing throughout the year, we have taken heart in the galvanizing spirit of resistance that has swept the world.

"We have marched alongside both seasoned activists standing up for women's rights and we have welcomed those who have never actively protested before in denouncing Trump's discriminatory Muslim ban.

"We have placed welcome mats for refugees at the foot of Trump Tower, and filled London's Grosvenor Square with 100 somber Statues of Liberty standing in silent protest at the U.S. embassy.

"From Sydney to Madrid, human rights defenders have made it known that the politics of hate and fear have no place in the world we wish to build for ourselves and our children. As dismayed as we are to see that President Trump has no intentions of abandoning his hateful rhetoric and dangerous policies, we are just as energized to meet his challenges head on.

"Whatever the next year brings, we take heart in knowing that there is a strong global community of activists from all corners of the world who will rise up wherever human rights are threatened."
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Say what you want about Trump being greedy but he would give it all up for just a little bit more. He's a great guy.
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bearister said:

blungld said:

This whole thing is so beyond partisan politics now. If you do not want Trump and his cronies thrown out for criminal and unethical activities you are either a liar, a fool, or a traitor. That's it.


..or a really rich guy that puts increasing your wealth above the good of your country and mankind.


That's covered under traitor.
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Another Bear said:

I say witness it and purge the hate, don't live with it. This seems to be of historic proportions. This is way beyond Nixon. We have foreign actors/enemies involved in elections. You can't make this stuff up.

It seems Russia has been infiltrating the American conservative movement for a while now. That's not a rabbit hole, that's a sinkhole. So the NRA and Russians are big friends. There's speculation the Russians/Putin have been funding the NRA. They're not doing this for fun, but to destabilize this country. You have to wonder how they have an endless supply of funds.

Mass shootings in the U.S. are at a true epidemic scale. It's a social virus. The damage isn't simply dead people shot and killed but societal well being.

I know this borders on tin foil hat time, but I think the Russians have planted messaging in the U.S. (social media?) to spur on mass shootings. The Russians/Putin backs the NRA's extremism. Mass shootings aren't happening withOUT the NRA getting assault weapons legal.

Any way, there's wiretap recordings of Trump Jr. and Russians, picked up by Spanish intel. It figures one of the two Trump Fredos would tip the case. Some guy named Romanoff involved.

I dream of the death of both the GOP and the NRA. This could be a godsend.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/26/michael-cohen-profile-trump-russia?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Talking about trump.
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bearister said:

In anticipation of the anniversary of the inauguration of President Trump, Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA, issued the following statement:

"While the policies of the Trump administration presented daunting challenges over the past year, we also saw the rise of a fierce and determined movement of people across the country and around the world standing up to defend human rights. Starting with the throngs of people braving the January cold to fill the streets on the very first day of his presidency and continuing throughout the year, we have taken heart in the galvanizing spirit of resistance that has swept the world.

"We have marched alongside both seasoned activists standing up for women's rights and we have welcomed those who have never actively protested before in denouncing Trump's discriminatory Muslim ban.

"We have placed welcome mats for refugees at the foot of Trump Tower, and filled London's Grosvenor Square with 100 somber Statues of Liberty standing in silent protest at the U.S. embassy.

"From Sydney to Madrid, human rights defenders have made it known that the politics of hate and fear have no place in the world we wish to build for ourselves and our children. As dismayed as we are to see that President Trump has no intentions of abandoning his hateful rhetoric and dangerous policies, we are just as energized to meet his challenges head on.

"Whatever the next year brings, we take heart in knowing that there is a strong global community of activists from all corners of the world who will rise up wherever human rights are threatened."
Wait, you mean those Christians with American flag tattoos and a pistol on their hip who call Liberals "commies," "fascists," and "socialists" are actually being led by a Russian dictator and working against their own country and the values they say they uphold? I would have never guessed that...except that "we've" been saying that for years.
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There seems to be a "natural" connection between the Christian white nationalist in the country and the Christian white nationalist in Russia. Putin has cozied up to the Russian Othrodox Church, similar to how the Christian Right has cozied up to Trump, the NRA and fascism in general. In fact I'd venture to say Rohrabacher and other right wing GOPers are attracted to this aspect. Ann Coulter has eluded to this connection. White nationalist in the U.S. connect more to white nationalist in Russia than the increasingly non-white population of the U.S. The Russians under Putin have played the racial tension as part of propping up Trump.
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One really has to ask how the NRA has gained so much power and leverage in the U.S. Having what seems like endless funding and sophisticated help from the Kremlin and KGB sure would help. If the Russkies can target 3-4 rust belt states and 80k votes to swing the election, I think they can figure out how to weaponize the NRA in the U.S.
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Another Bear said:

One really has to ask how the NRA has gained so much power and leverage in the U.S. Having what seems like endless funding and sophisticated help from the Kremlin and KGB sure would help. If the Russkies can target 3-4 rust belt states and 80k votes to swing the election, I think they can figure out how to weaponize the NRA in the U.S.
And so the corrupt and bought NRA is shielded by the corrupt and bought Congress such that a minority of extreme, angry, racist and violent views have political clout over the majority of American's wishes--and we get legislation and culture that is completely unrepresentative. It's Apartheid & Oligarchy here in the Land of the Free and the mainstream Republicans say NOTHING and let their party slip further and further into dangerous crazy land.

Hope it is all worth it. You got to get the Liberals good and mad--and destroyed what makes our country great and perhaps led us into the next great war that results in millions of lives lost. For all the previous American lives lost in the fight for justice and man's highest nature (which promoted us to an elevated status on the world stage), we may now go down in history as the bad guys in the next big conflict and it's these conservative patriots that have put us on that path. It is NOT exaggeration that we are currently nervously close to pre-war Germany: normalizing bigotry, granting power to ideology, eating up propaganda, eager to take rights from others, with an appetite for conflict, and SILENT on the erosion of decency and national character.

Democrats can't change this. If it has come from within the echo chamber of FOX spin. Red Staters have to say ENOUGH. This isn't freedom. This is isn't justice. This isn't Christian. This isn't America. THIS ISN'T WORTH IT.
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So which one is Golden Onenote? Iwantwinners? 003? Gunner?
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Rudy on the Sunday talkies:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/27/rudy-giuliani-spygate-robert-mueller-donald-trump?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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The lies aren't even lies now. They used to be shades of truth, and then spin...and now they are just out and out completely knowingly made up statements that are easily fact checked. The Democrats created a law to take kids from their parents? The White House briefing on North Korea is fake news?

We are past partisan reporting to a universe of fabrication and propaganda without conscience. This is serious Big Brother stuff...here in America where we have freedom of speech and the press...and he is getting away with it.

The ability of the President and then his media outlets to knowingly create false narratives (as they accuse others of fake news!) that live only in the deception of a group of loyal constituents has to be made prosecutable in terms of slander, liable, and violation of oath. A law must exist or needs to be created to be able to charge knowing deception as a political crime. There has to be some responsibility to truth and FOX, Breitbart, Alex Jones, the President, and this whole dirty network can't be allowed to get away with this. I don't know how to accept that so many Americans are either this easily deceived or simply do not care. It's crazy-making.
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Rudy Giuliani, one of the president's lawyers, to Dana Bash on CNN's "State of the Union": "I'm not saying Mueller is illegitimate. I'm saying the basis on which he was appointed is illegitimate." Bash: "So you think that the Mueller probe is legitimate?" Giuliani: "Not anymore. I don't. I did when I came in. But now I see spygate." Axios
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