OT: Trump/Russians/Robert Mueller

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mikecohen said:

tequila4kapp said:

BearChemist said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

This "hoax" now has 18 indictments and 4 guilty pleas by my count. That's some hoax.
You don't think he was referring to the Trump/Russia collusion charges (HRC/Russia collusion is already established)?
You understand the real implications behind Trump's tweets? Last time I checked WH needs more talents like you.
Thanks for the personal attack. Stay classy.

The real implications behind Trump's tweets? You mean that he can't communicate through the traditional means because the media is grotesquely biased against him so he bypasses them? Yep, I'm aware.

To the larger point, so for there isn't a scintilla of evidence of collusion by Trump with the Russians. It has been proven beyond beyond doubt that Hillary and the DNC conspired with Russia. Those are the facts, so far. But hate on...
Details/Specifics please about Hillary and the DNC conspiring with Russia.


I suspect we'll be waiting a while for this.
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THIS JUST IN: Robert Mueller has flipped Rick Gates, reaching a plea deal. Gates will testify against Manafort, his former partner.

Things just got very interesting...

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tequila4kapp said:

BearChemist said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

This "hoax" now has 18 indictments and 4 guilty pleas by my count. That's some hoax.
You don't think he was referring to the Trump/Russia collusion charges (HRC/Russia collusion is already established)?
You understand the real implications behind Trump's tweets? Last time I checked WH needs more talents like you.
Thanks for the personal attack. Stay classy.

The real implications behind Trump's tweets? You mean that he can't communicate through the traditional means because the media is grotesquely biased against him so he bypasses them? Yep, I'm aware.

To the larger point, so for there isn't a scintilla of evidence of collusion by Trump with the Russians. It has been proven beyond beyond doubt that Hillary and the DNC conspired with Russia. Those are the facts, so far. But hate on...
Right now it's the money laundering and obstruction for the attempt at hiding Russian money for his real estate transactions and the firing of Comey . There are 4 people, Trump's own words (tweets included) and financial docs that will confirm money laundering and obstruction. The only question left is who else will be charged?
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Looks like Mueller will be looking into the Kushner real estate financing. Is Ivanka going to have top explain to the kids why daddy is behind bars and can't be at birthday parties or will Kushner become his star witness against his father-in-law? Either way, somebody is going to need money on their book for snacks.
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BearNIt said:

Looks like Mueller will be looking into the Kushner real estate financing. Is Ivanka going to have top explain to the kids why daddy is behind bars and can't be at birthday parties or will Kushner become his star witness against his father-in-law? Either way, somebody is going to need money on their book for snacks.

If I am The Kush, I'm thinking roids, weightlifting, increasing body mass and ink. If I am Ivanka I'm thinking recipe for Pound Cake a la chisel. Jarvanka in deep doo doo. Bannon will help as much as he can. He has a pathological hatred of Jarvanka.
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Kushners are hyper achievers. Very muti generation felon families ponied up $2.5M to Harvard to keep prison chain migration intact. Jared is the Eli Manning of jailbirds.
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Mueller has Gates as his new witness and although Gates has information on Manafort, Mueller doesn't need Gates for Manafort's financial crimes which can be proved with financial documents, but he does need Gates for others whose crimes have not been charged as of today. Given that Gates worked on the campaign and transition team he may have information that will assist Mueller with obstruction, conspiracy to obstruct, and possible collusion because of the fact that his partner Manafort has been closely tied to various Russians who have ties to Putin. Mueller is working his way up the food chain in an attempt to get to the head cheeto.

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Trump setting the record straight for Americans. He has actually been tough on Russia all along.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

Trump setting the record straight for Americans. He has actually been tough on Russia all along.


We need an interpreter from the Ministry of Truth.
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B.A. Bearacus said:

Trump setting the record straight for Americans. He has actually been tough on Russia all along.




One of Cal friends grew up in Pacific Heights. He always made sure the family dog peed on the Russian Consulate. Was over a 100 degrees in SF the day they finally shut down the Consulate, but the chimney worked overtime that day.
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BearDevil said:



One of Cal friends grew up in Pacific Heights. He always made sure the family dog peed on the Russian Consulate. Was over a 100 degrees in SF the day they finally shut down the Consulate, but the chimney worked overtime that day.


Sounds like your friend was tougher on Russia than Trump.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/20/donald-trump-trump-soft-russia-mueller?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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There is a new player in this saga. It appears that a lawyer named, Alex Van Der Zwaan, a lawyer at Skadden Arps whose father-in-law just happens to be the chairman of a bank with ties to the Kremlin and is involved in money laundering. Van Der Zwaan will pead guilty to lying to the FBI due to lying about conversations with Gates.

Mueller is continuing to squeeze Manafort for information on collusion by charging Gates and Van Der Zwaan, the two individuals who have intimate knowledge about his dealings with the Russians. How much time is Manafort willing to serve before he says enough and provides info to Mueller? Even if Trump pardons him, it has been reported that the New York AG could bring state charges against Manafort. I guess Manafort could always ask the Russians for help getting out of the country, but he owes millions to some of Putin's friends.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/robert-mueller-rick-gates/index.html
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Bob Mueller, turning over every stone...and soon there will be an avalanche. GOP should really GTFOTW.
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Excellent read.

Mueller's Message to America



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Don't know about you guys, but when this is all over I want to see Mueller's face on money.
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Another Bear said:

Excellent read.

Mueller's Message to America




Following the above article on The Atlantic's web page is an article by one of the E.R. Doctors who treated the victims of the school shooting, comparing the effect of AR-15 rounds on that of other firearms whose wounds this E.R. doc treats daily (in Central Florida).

The main point is the extraordinary effect AR-15 bullets have on organs - essentially blasting everything in its path into true, no kidding, oblivion - no possibility of any medical help. The Exit Wound of a standard AR-15 bullet is the size of an orange.

This article tears one's soul, as much as the bullets tear body parts, into shreds; and should be required reading for all NRA Members and their Fellow Travelers.
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mikecohen said:

Another Bear said:

Excellent read.

Mueller's Message to America




Following the above article on The Atlantic's web page is an article by one of the E.R. Doctors who treated the victims of the school shooting, comparing the effect of AR-15 rounds on that of other firearms whose wounds this E.R. doc treats daily (in Central Florida).

The main point is the extraordinary effect AR-15 bullets have on organs - essentially blasting everything in its path into true, no kidding, oblivion - no possibility of any medical help. The Exit Wound of a standard AR-15 bullet is the size of an orange.

This article tears one's soul, as much as the bullets tear body parts, into shreds; and should be required reading for all NRA Members and their Fellow Travelers.
I've always wanted to ask NRA spookspeople the following question: Does everyone have a Second Amendment right to own a nuclear bomb? If not: Where does one draw the line?, and why at that place?
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I know this is an over simplication of a complex issue but:

The tRump Administration is in a whole lotta trouble. Go Bags or weightlifting and increasing body mass are in order. tRump views lawyers as hacks because those are the only ones that will work for him. Mueller is A+. A species of attorney tRump has no frame of reference for. Game. Set. Match.
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I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.
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Another Bear said:

I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.

Machine guns will be needed for the door to door urban combat that will ensue when HRC is installed as Queen by The New World Order.
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B.A. Bearacus said:


Unfortunately, I just don't get it. Please explain.
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Sorry, that's NRA's slippery spokesperson and ornery pitbull Dana Loesch who would be the one evading or discounting your questions and attacking you.

Here's a sample of her style:
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B.A. Bearacus said:

Sorry, that's NRA spokesperson and ornery pitbull Dana Loesch who would be the one evading or discounting your questions and attacking you.

Here's a sample of her style:

Thanks. I recognized her; but, for me (FWIW), the possible commutations and angles were so various and extensive, I just didn't know where to start.
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Another Bear said:

I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.


If Trump said that Liberals want to take away your porn, then suddenly porn would be a Conservative value.
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blungld said:

Another Bear said:

I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.


If Trump said that Liberals want to take away your porn, then suddenly porn would be a Conservative value.


It already is. If history has taught us anything it is that the more you publicly condemn certain sexual behavior, the bigger the freak you are in private.
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bearister said:

blungld said:

Another Bear said:

I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.


If Trump said that Liberals want to take away your porn, then suddenly porn would be a Conservative value.


It already is. If history has taught us anything it is that the more you publicly condemn certain sexual behavior, the bigger the freak you are in private.
I used to laugh and point when I read about one of the dozens of prominent, hypocritically anti-gay conservatives who turned out to be homosexual themselves. Now I feel guilty about that. I feel sorry for them. What a mental prison they must live in. I wonder what became of some of them, the Larry Craigs and Ted Hazards. I wonder if their views changed over the years, after leaving their positions of power.
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FuzzyWuzzy said:

bearister said:

blungld said:

Another Bear said:

I read about the destruction of AR-15s...and the conservatives still think it's a-okay but god forbid there is porn.

The thing is, if you can't see why and how AR-15s and assault weapons are destructive and not suited for society..you lack humanity. There's really no salvation for these types, and it's not really a coincidence that many have a death wish fantasy with guns. It's all the "my cold dead hands" crap. Well do society a favor and eat your gun...like a hero.


If Trump said that Liberals want to take away your porn, then suddenly porn would be a Conservative value.


It already is. If history has taught us anything it is that the more you publicly condemn certain sexual behavior, the bigger the freak you are in private.
I used to laugh and point when I read about one of the dozens of prominent, hypocritically anti-gay conservatives who turned out to be homosexual themselves. Now I feel guilty about that. I feel sorry for them. What a mental prison they must live in. I wonder what became of some of them, the Larry Craigs and Ted Hazards. I wonder if their views changed over the years, after leaving their positions of power.

I have always had a deep respect for Mr. Craig. He stands alone as the Father of the Wing Tip Tapping Morse Code Mating Call.
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On tRump's statement he looks forward to being questioned by Mueller:

"A member of the Trump legal team told the Wall Street Journal that President Trump testifying for Mueller could set a bad precedent for future presidents, eroding their powers:

"This person also questioned whether an interview is necessary given all the information that the White House has shared with Mr. Mueller."
The member of the legal team said: "It would be a travesty to waste his (Mr. Trump's) time and to set a precedent which would cripple a future president." Axios

Go Captain Mueller! Semper Fi! Oorah!
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bearister said:

On tRump's statement he looks forward to being questioned by Mueller:

"It would be a travesty to waste his (Mr. Trump's) time..."
I mean it would be a real shame for him to take a few golf holes off out of his busy schedule...but yeah he might want to at least dip in and contribute to the investigation on WHETHER A FOREIGN COUNTRY SABOTAGED OUR ELECTION!

If loyalty and partisanship were taken out of the equation, almost all of the the country would be completely satisfied with his guilt from what we know already (and at the very least his incompetency, dereliction, and obstruction in the wake of the election). It is so frustrating to watch what is unprecedented craziness happening in our government and watching it reflected back by his supporters. It's a total cover up in plain sight...and yet they'll instead reach for straws like "Deep State" and "Obama is a Muslim" over being able to hear that the guy standing right smack in front of them is lying and acts in guilt and self-interest at every turn.

I suspect that they know inside that it is all true, but that to admit that to themselves feels like letting Liberals win or having to admit to themselves other failings in their ethics and judgement--and so it is all-in with denial, obfuscating, and attacking "Libtards". It's scary to watch their minds operate, but illustrates so much about group think and authoritarianism.

If I was ever to fall for an authoritarian, I guarantee that they'd be a lot more compelling and intelligent than this guy--I don't get it at all. I'll follow someone who seems more competent and wise. They seem to follow someone that speaks at their level so that they don't have to feel dumb.

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Character flaws: Trump is irresponsible and bad at protecting others.
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Dumb and Dumber...
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Timeout for unofficial thread stat:
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Bearister should be allowed to have his posts be green for a month for starting this thread.
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B.A. Bearacus said:

Character flaws: Trump is irresponsible and bad at protecting others.

Mnuchin advised while at UCLA that sanctions on Russia will be announced by 3/28/18
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