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Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).
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Donald J. tRump: "I did not collude. There was no collusion. I was not colluding. They lie when they say I colluded. They erroneously claim tRump colludes. There was never any colludetivity. There was no colludeness or colludeocity. Furthermore, I did not obstruct. They falsely claim I obstructed. There was never any obstruction or obstructing. They lie when they say tRump obstructs. At no time was there any obstructiveness or obstructivity. And finally, categorically no obstructosity!"

This is pure and simple a witch hunt. Nothing less than a fishing expedition. It's a Spanish Inquisition. A persecution. A wild goose chase. It's a treasure hunt and an Easter egg hunt combined!"
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Bobodeluxe said:

That movie is the most overrated piece of crap in the history of film, give or take.


Bobo, I'm really surprised you could have such a negative reaction to this movie. Maybe you somehow don't like Scorsese (who most would consider one of the all-time greatest directors) in general?
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bearister said:

Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).

Although I like Taxi Driver and Goodfellas is good, I'm not much of a Scorsese person. I watched the boxing movie once, but couldn't get through it again in recent years. Same for the comedian movie and the New York City street early 70s movie.

I've seen the two good Godfather movies a bunch of times, though I couldn't get into the "in order" cut.I've listened to the commentary track a couple times. I could tell you a lot of random trivia* about The Godfather films -- such as that a lot of the greatest movies (Vertigo, Citizen Kane, The Graduate, The Godfather I and 2 were all filmed on what is now the Paramount Studios lot.)


*Random trivia/history lesson:

So you know how in the movie you see Tom Hagen visit Woltz Studios in Hollywood?

On the left in the picture below is Stage 29 of Paramount Studios, which is located on Gower Street.



Stage 29 was also used in The Godfather, Part 2.

From 1989 to 1994, Stage 29 was where The Arsenio Hall Show was filmed.

So this famous political moment happened on the other side of those walls.



Since 2002, Stage 29 has been home to The Dr. Phil Show.

This is how Stage 29 and that gate pictured above look today:






And here's some more Hollywood-political trivia:

The land that Stage 29 sits on was once owned by John F. Kennedy's dad.

In 1926, Joseph P. Kennedy entered the movie business by buying Film Booking Offices of America, which is where the land that Stage 29 sits on was located.

He moved to Hollywood, leaving his family behind back East, and established an office on the studio lot just South of where Stage 29 is today. Meanwhile, he carried on an affair with silent film star Gloria Swanson (of Sunset Blvd fame).

Kennedy's specialty was that he was considered "exceedingly American" ... or "not Jewish," unlike most Hollywood moguls.

In 1928, Kennedy's studio was acquired and it was merged to form RKO Pictures.

RKO Pictures constructed Stage 29 in 1930, then known as Stage 7.

RKO Studios is where King Kong was made, also all those Ginger Rogers/Fred Astaire movies and, most famously, Citizen Kane.

In 1948, Howard Hughes bought RKO Studios and ran it into the ground through the mid-1950s.

In 1955, a tire company took control of the studio.

In 1957, Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz purchased the studio, thanks to their I Love Lucy profits. They renamed it "Desilu." In 1960, Ball and Arnaz divorced and Ball became CEO and president of Desilu.



Under Lucille Ball's leadership, she greenlighted The Andy Griffith Show, Mission Impossible and a show called Star Trek (the latter two franchises that are still going strong today).

In 1967, she sold Desilu, which was neighbors with Paramount Studios, to Paramount's new owner, Gulf & Western. That's how Mission Impossible and Star Trek became Paramount franchises.

Everything left of the red line was RKO Studios, everything right of it was Paramount. Gulf & Western combined the two lots into one big lot.



Four years later, in 1971, Paramount Studios used its lot and its the RKO/Desilu studios lot it acquired to film The Godfather Part 1. (The movie was, obviously, also shot in the New York area -- but the indoor scenes and the Marlon Brando assassination scene were all shot at Paramount.)


Sorry for going on a tangential history lesson. Now back to Trump!


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bearister said:

Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).
That list is quite a personality/character outline. I say that because, while granting their high quality, the list is so totally different than my own.
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mikecohen said:

bearister said:

Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).
That list is quite a personality/character outline. I say that because, while granting their high quality, the list is so totally different than my own.

Would it help soften my personality profile if I said I omitted Tammy and the Doctor from my list?


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tequila4kapp said:

CIt is important that Americans can have confidence in the operation of its government so this is an appropriate move.

I predict now there will be zero evidence of collusion, zero criminal activity against Trump, zero grounds for impeachment but that some small number of people like Flynn will be charged with other matters such as not registering as an agent after receiving funds from Turkey.
I predict that Trump will go down in history as the worst, most hated, and most ridiculed president in history, 200 YEARS FROM NOW!!
What a joke!
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bearister said:

Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).
You have diluted this thread.
We went from organizing pink***** rallies discussing movie lots?

This is how trump wins a second term.
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Joe Kennedy started a family tradition- f$cking movie stars- one Jack and Bobby carried on. Good Father's Day post.
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concordtom said:

bearister said:

Goodfellas is on my list of movies I can watch over and over again like The Godfather films, Casino, The Departed, Point Break, The Town, The Accountant, Saving Private Ryan, The Quiet Man, Munich, Taken and No Country for Old Men (to name a few).
You have diluted this thread.
We went from organizing pink***** rallies discussing movie lots?

This is how trump wins a second term.


If you would sack up once in a while and watch a non chick flick it would do you a world of good.
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The Republican Party is a cult. The only chance of holding Trump back is to elect a Democratic Congress.
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More than a cult...

Trump is creating his American caliphate, and democracy has no defence

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Officials quoting a holy text to justify repressive policies is something we who grew up in the Arab world have seen before

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If there was a dictator's playbook, the Donald Trump administration would now be on the "Instrumentalise Religion" chapter. Last week, in what sounded like the launch of a US caliphate, the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, reached for a biblical verse to defend his department's policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the Mexican border, suggesting that God supports the government.

"I would cite you to the apostle Paul, and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes," Sessions said. "Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent and fair application of the law is in itself a good and moral thing, and that protects the weak and protects the lawful."

When the White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, was asked about Sessions' statement and challenged to produce the passage in the Bible that says it is moral to separate families, she said: "I'm not aware of the attorney general's comments or what he would be referencing, [but] I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is repeated throughout the Bible."


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Thank you, Republicans, for your continued support of the intellectual and moral leader of your party.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

Thank you, Republicans, for your continued support of the intellectual and moral leader of your party.



This situation makes me indescribably sad.
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Amnesty International rips family separation policy: 'This is nothing short of torture

This is straight from the Nazi playbook. I hate to be alarmist but the ultimate goal is likely war. The human right violations are a warm up. The trade war with China is by design. Bannon and his Nazi nutsuckers are aiming at war. Unfortunately a big part of the Nazi playbook is nihilism. They'd rather see it all burn to the ground than be a human being.
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America is not separating kids from their parents, animals don't have kids, unless they're goats. MAGAing is hard work.
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This just in:

https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Poll-Republicans-favor-Kim-Jong-Un-nancy-pelosi-13004205.php

Gawd Bless America!
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Another Bear said:

Amnesty International rips family separation policy: 'This is nothing short of torture

This is straight from the Nazi playbook. I hate to be alarmist but the ultimate goal is likely war. The human right violations are a warm up. The trade war with China is by design. Bannon and his Nazi nutsuckers are aiming at war. Unfortunately a big part of the Nazi playbook is nihilism. They'd rather see it all burn to the ground than be a human being.
In the next war, we'll be the country that needs to be defeated.
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If you listen to Bannon, he has two main targets: China and Islam. That's a significant percentage of the world population. Unfortunately this makes you likely correct. You can't go after that many people and think it'll all be good. Again, Nazis like Bannon are into nihilism.
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Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy

YUP...more family values.
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They are only separating children from the adults they arrived with if they came in illegally, correct? They are not doing this with those legally seeking refugee status through proper procedures, correct? Therefore, wouldn't doing a better job of keeping people from illegally entering the U. S. result in less separation?

Also, isn't it true that the majority of the kids that come in enter without adults? What should be done with them?
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oski003 said:

They are only separating children from the adults they arrived with if they came in illegally, correct? They are not doing this with those legally seeking refugee status through proper procedures, correct? Therefore, wouldn't doing a better job of keeping people from illegally entering the U. S. result in less separation?

Also, isn't it true that the majority of the kids that come in enter without adults? What should be done with them?
They are taking children away from asylum seekers, at least in some cases.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

The "unaccompanied minors" issue was something happening under the previous administration and still a problem. Separating kids from their parents is a new policy introduced under Trump.
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Bobodeluxe said:

This just in:

https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Poll-Republicans-favor-Kim-Jong-Un-nancy-pelosi-13004205.php

Gawd Bless America!

That means our de facto POTUS , Putin, would get a 99.9% favorable Republican rating in a similar poll.
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You ask a lot of questions but offer nothing else. On that note, I suggest you look at this picture of a moment to see if you're human and can feel empathy for other humans.



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A two-year-old Honduran asylum seeker cries as her mother is searched and detained near the US-Mexico border on June 12, 2018 in McAllen, Texas

A Getty photographer tells the story behind a heartbreaking photo he took of a migrant girl sobbing while agents questioned her mom at the border

For a little context you have to understand what's going on in Honduras, now and for the past few years. Honduras is currently conducting an experiment in government, as it has install a full LIBERTARIAN (pay as you go) government structure. The fall out is massive instability, rampant murder and death...enough to make people flee. There are few government services and if you want police, you hire your own.

I suggest now you look at that photo of the toddler and hope to god you feel something. Because if you don't, you're morally dead.

Otrherwise, who the fcck takes 2 y.o. kids from their parents? Apparently Nazis and the GOP.
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oski003 said:

They are only separating children from the adults they arrived with if they came in illegally, correct? They are not doing this with those legally seeking refugee status through proper procedures, correct? Therefore, wouldn't doing a better job of keeping people from illegally entering the U. S. result in less separation?

Also, isn't it true that the majority of the kids that come in enter without adults? What should be done with them?
They ARE doing with with those legally seeking refugee status through proper procedures!

Also: By majorly moving the goal posts, they are creating a whole, large class of people who struggled mightily to get here, only to find that the legal ground on which they (and everybody else theretofore) believed they had the right to asylum (i.e., gang violence and domestic abuse), all of a sudden, without the benefit of changed legislation, was arbitrarily declared to be not a ground for asylum - thus effectively substituting the rule of Diktat for the rule of law.
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American exceptionalism, circa 2018.

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sycasey said:

oski003 said:

They are only separating children from the adults they arrived with if they came in illegally, correct? They are not doing this with those legally seeking refugee status through proper procedures, correct? Therefore, wouldn't doing a better job of keeping people from illegally entering the U. S. result in less separation?

Also, isn't it true that the majority of the kids that come in enter without adults? What should be done with them?
They are taking children away from asylum seekers, at least in some cases.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

The "unaccompanied minors" issue was something happening under the previous administration and still a problem. Separating kids from their parents is a new policy introduced under Trump.
As to asylum seekers, the Trump monster team also appear to be arbitrarily, and without any legal justification, changing the burden of proof, such that ALL Asylum Seekers are treated as already adjudicated not to have the right to asylum, and are treated accordingly - which, of course, is much easier to do if you define asylum to say that no asylum seeker has any ground for asylum and therefore is "illegal" by acclimation.
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Another Bear said:

Otrherwise, who the fcck takes 2 y.o. kids from their parents? Apparently Nazis and the GOP.



2 year olds? How about babies?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/us/immigration-separated-children-southern-border/index.html
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https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy
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Another Hero of the Republic speaks out!

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Ann-Coulter-Calls-Crying-Immigrant-Kids-Detained-13003820.php

Animal actors?
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I might be having an early senior moment, but can someone please remind me how we are the greatest country in the world? Seriously, it was a nice thing to believe in until it was impossible to believe in anymore. I guess we're just somewhere in the middle now among all countries -- but with a freaking kick-ass military.
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Trump's America...
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Stephen Miller, the Trump aide behind the harshest immigration policies, is a descendent of asylum-seekers

OF course this is the case. If the GOP Nazis are anything, they're hypocrites. The irony however is even bigger...as Miller is a Jewish Nazi, whose family escaped anti-Semitic persecution, only to become an JEWISH NAZI. Seriously, W.T.F.
 
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