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It's intriguing how the "anarchist" and "more-enlightened-than-anybody progressive" (with 103 accounts) are de facto Trump supporters and, without fail, downplay interference by other countries. If thlat is what being enlightened means, I'll have no part of it.

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sycasey said:

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chazzed said:

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It's intriguing how the "anarchist" and "more-enlightened-than-anybody progressive" (with 103 accounts) are de facto Trump supporters and, without fail, downplay interference by other countries. If thlat is what being enlightened means, I'll have no part of it.

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They are not Trump supporters. They are so devoted to the standard "both parties are equally bad" narrative (because that allows them to snipe from the sidelines and not have to commit to anything) that they start to look like they're supporting the party that, right now, actually is worse than the other. You kind of have to do that to keep the narrative going.

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No doubt. That is why I used de facto as a qualifier. However they think they come across, they appear as out of touch as anybody.

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chazzed said:

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No doubt. That is why I used de facto as a qualifier. However they think they come across, they appear as out of touch as anybody.

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William J. Barnett, who served on both probes, described one of Mr. Mueller's deputies, Jeanne Rhee, as "obsessed with Flynn and Russia" and "she had an agenda."

Mr. Barnett said the evidence in the Russian collusion probe was so flimsy that he and others mocked it by turning it into a game. The game, dubbed "Collusion Clue," involved Mr. Barnett and colleagues picking one person doing one activity in any location and they would try to spin it into evidence of Russian collusion.

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"Presumably your desired outcome is better healthcare, but to you, Hillary was equally as bad as Trump so you don't care that she lost.

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"I care a lot more about outcomes about having my beliefs manifest as change in the world, than I care about preening and posturing for the approval of LARPing online liberals"

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(ROTL) and hows that working out for you? Seriously?

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I held my nose and voted for Hitlery. No way did I want Trump to be president.

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I am honestly surprised to hear that. You write like you actually hated Hillary MORE than Trump. You write about Biden the same way (it's why a few other posters have taken calling you a republican), so I would have expected you to write in Bernie or someone more to your liking. (As you have pointed out, you live in California, so you will be voting for Biden, no matter what, thanks to the (BS) electoral college)

So have you changed your thoughts on this since 2016? If so, why?, If not, why are you so dismissive of those of us who did the same thing and intend to do the same thing again in November?

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Matthew Patel said:

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If I lived in a state where my vote had a chance to count, I would have a hard decision.

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Californium said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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If I lived in a state where my vote had a chance to count, I would have a hard decision.

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I am honestly curious: if you lived in a swing state, what would be the factors in your decision?

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If I lived in a state where my vote had a chance to count, I would have a hard decision.

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I am honestly curious: if you lived in a swing state, what would be the factors in your decision?

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How much I want to vote against something versus how much I want to vote for something.

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Matthew Patel said:

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If I lived in a state where my vote had a chance to count, I would have a hard decision.

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I am honestly curious: if you lived in a swing state, what would be the factors in your decision?

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How much I want to vote against something versus how much I want to vote for something.

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Right. Of course. But I was hoping for details. If you lived in a swing state, what would you consider possibilities for your vote and what factors would weigh into your decision?

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What details are there to be had? My choices are for a conman who uses the power of his presidency to benefit himself and screw the rest of the country or a guy who has lied so many times over the years and presided over a country that favors Wall Street and large banks to the detriment of ordinary citizens and screw the rest of the country.

There are no details. Both these options suck and you all should be embarrassed that these are the two choices that the citizens of this country decided were the two best options to lead it.

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What details are there to be had? My choices are for a conman who uses the power of his presidency to benefit himself and screw the rest of the country or a guy who has lied so many times over the years and presided over a country that favors Wall Street and large banks to the detriment of ordinary citizens and screw the rest of the country.

There are no details. Both these options suck and you all should be embarrassed that these are the two choices that the citizens of this country decided were the two best options to lead it.

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Well, I am not sure why I personally should be embarrassed, but I agree that the choices of candidates are terrible. What I am trying to get at is if/how you differentiate between them or if, as your quote above seems to indicate, you don't differentiate, what would you choose, and why. I won't push it after this as it seems maybe you just are not interested in sharing your thought process, but I'll try one more time first.

It seems to me, under the current system (I agree the current system sucks and should be changed so we can choose from among better candidates) you have 4 choices: vote for Trump, vote for Biden, write in another name, don't vote. It seems to me that one of Trump or Biden will be the winner, so that if you choose onr of the other two choices, you are not part of the decision, so if you make one of those choices, why did you choose not to be part of the decision (remember, in this discussion we are talking about if you were a swing state voter to your choice could actually help affect the outcome). If you choose one of the two prinicple candidates, what are the factors that influence your decision?

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We've known since the Mueller Report dropped last year that the narrative surrounding President Trump and Russia wasn't what we were told. It wasn't for lack of trying or a dearth of investigative cash.
That hotly anticipated report dealt the collusion narrative an uppercut. The last few months supplied the knockout punch. Consider what we've just recently learned:

• FBI agents snatched up liability insurance during the Russia investigation, knowing how rickety the framework was at the time.

• The Steele Dossier, a key source driving the investigation, disintegrated upon inspection. The latest sign? We just learned that a suspected Russian operative served as a primary sub-source for the report.

• The New York Times, of all outlets, confirmed there were no Trump-Russia ties revealed by the president's taxes.

You'd think some of this information would have made it into the entertainment stories covering "The Comey Rule," starring actor Jeff Daniels as Comey. After all, those three items alone broke in the last week or so.
And you'd be wrong, of course.

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tRump is a traitor. Very few don't know it. Of the handful who post here that pretend not to know it, many of them are in time outs because of how high strung and unhinged they are.

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